How did red become our color?

[Forrest]

:confused:

[Pogue]

Blood of the workers killed in struggle. Hence red flag. Flag of the Paris Commune, and then onto the USSR, so on and so on.

[Holden Caulfield]

Blood of the workers killed in struggle. Hence red flag. Flag of the Paris Commune, and then onto the USSR, so on and so on.

The history is longer my firiend.
It is a flag of defiance (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_flag#History)

[Pogue]

that link says what i said though.

[Saorsa]

Stalin did it

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

It would be a better colour if Trotsky were in charge...:rolleyes::laugh:

[The Essence Of Flame Is The Essence Of Change]

The history is longer my firiend.
It is a flag of defiance
The Black Flag (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchist_symbolism#Black_flag) is more associated by defiance per se, as it is supposed to be the opposite of the white one.

Btw from that article you linked, LOL at Oklahoma and their banning red flags laws.:laugh:

[Holden Caulfield]

that link says what i said though.


The Black Flag (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchist_symbolism#Black_flag) is more associated by defiance per se, as it is supposed to be the opposite of the white one.

Btw from that article you linked, LOL at Oklahoma and their banning red flags laws.:laugh:
As early as the 15th century, the red flag was used as a "flag of defiance."[3] (http://www.revleft.com/vb/#cite_note-4) It was raised in cities and castles under siege to indicate that they would not surrender.[4] (http://www.revleft.com/vb/#cite_note-5) "The red flag is a signal of defiance and battle," according to Chambers Cyclopedia (1727–41).[5] (http://www.revleft.com/vb/#cite_note-6)

The color red become associated with patriotism early in the French Revolution (http://www.revleft.com/wiki/French_Revolution) due to the popularity of the Phrygian cap (http://www.revleft.com/wiki/Phrygian_cap) and designs based on the Tricolour (http://www.revleft.com/wiki/Tricolour) Flag, both introduced in 1790. A red flag was raised over the Champ-de-Mars (http://www.revleft.com/wiki/Champ-de-Mars) in Paris on July 17, 1791 by Lafayette (http://www.revleft.com/wiki/Gilbert_du_Motier,_marquis_de_Lafayette), commander of the National Guard, as a symbol of martial law, warning rioters to disperse.[6] (http://www.revleft.com/vb/#cite_note-7) Over fifty anti-royalist protesters were killed in the fighting that followed. Oddly inverting the original symbolism, the Jacobins (http://www.revleft.com/wiki/Jacobin_Club) protested this action by flying a red flag to honor the "martyrs' blood" of those who had been killed.[7] (http://www.revleft.com/vb/#cite_note-8)

[jake williams]

I don't know if "how did it become our flag" is totally a historical question. There's basically a finite number of really simple symbols and colours that can represent whole diverse movements. The predominance of one in particular is going to be the sum of a whole number of tenuously related historical incidents and symbolic associations.

[Holden Caulfield]

I don't know if "how did it become our flag" is totally a historical question. There's basically a finite number of really simple symbols and colours that can represent whole diverse movements. The predominance of one in particular is going to be the sum of a whole number of tenuously related historical incidents and symbolic associations.

The color red become associated with patriotism early in the French Revolution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Revolution) due to the popularity of the Phrygian cap (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phrygian_cap) and designs based on the Tricolour (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tricolour) Flag, both introduced in 1790. A red flag was raised over the Champ-de-Mars (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Champ-de-Mars) in Paris on July 17, 1791 by Lafayette (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilbert_du_Motier,_marquis_de_Lafayette), commander of the National Guard, as a symbol of martial law, warning rioters to disperse.[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_flag#cite_note-7) Over fifty anti-royalist protesters were killed in the fighting that followed. Oddly inverting the original symbolism, the Jacobins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobin_Club) protested this action by flying a red flag to honor the "martyrs' blood" of those who had been killed.[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_flag#cite_note-8)

[Pogue]

As early as the 15th century, the red flag was used as a "flag of defiance."[3] (http://www.revleft.com/vb/#cite_note-4) It was raised in cities and castles under siege to indicate that they would not surrender.[4] (http://www.revleft.com/vb/#cite_note-5) "The red flag is a signal of defiance and battle," according to Chambers Cyclopedia (1727–41).[5] (http://www.revleft.com/vb/#cite_note-6)

The color red become associated with patriotism early in the French Revolution (http://www.revleft.com/wiki/French_Revolution) due to the popularity of the Phrygian cap (http://www.revleft.com/wiki/Phrygian_cap) and designs based on the Tricolour (http://www.revleft.com/wiki/Tricolour) Flag, both introduced in 1790. A red flag was raised over the Champ-de-Mars (http://www.revleft.com/wiki/Champ-de-Mars) in Paris on July 17, 1791 by Lafayette (http://www.revleft.com/wiki/Gilbert_du_Motier,_marquis_de_Lafayette), commander of the National Guard, as a symbol of martial law, warning rioters to disperse.[6] (http://www.revleft.com/vb/#cite_note-7) Over fifty anti-royalist protesters were killed in the fighting that followed. Oddly inverting the original symbolism, the Jacobins (http://www.revleft.com/wiki/Jacobin_Club) protested this action by flying a red flag to honor the "martyrs' blood" of those who had been killed.[7] (http://www.revleft.com/vb/#cite_note-8)

That doesn't explain why we use it, which is what the question was. Dick.

[Holden Caulfield]

Yes it does, because of the Jacobins use of it.
The jacobins used it because the nation guard used it to mean martial law and no surrender to the rebels.
The national guard used it because of its historical use as a flag of no surrender to sieges.

I don't see why you are being confrontational, jerk off more perhaps empty your balls :)

[Pogue]

Yes it does, because of the Jacobins use of it.
The jacobins used it because the nation guard used it to mean martial law and no surrender to the rebels.
The national guard used it because of its historical use as a flag of no surrender to sieges.

I don't see why you are being confrontational, jerk off more perhaps empty your balls :)

Why would I be confrontational to you? You know I'm like, your student (Dick.)

Your still wrong though, maybe you've got flood water in your brain making you think like a northerner (woops) but he said the red flag and whywe use it, the legacy of which began in the paris commune. we didn't use it cos some squaddie declared martial law.

[Holden Caulfield]

surely we did:



Over fifty anti-royalist protesters were killed in the fighting that followed. Oddly inverting the original symbolism, the Jacobins (http://www.revleft.com/wiki/Jacobin_Club) protested this action by flying a red flag to honor the "martyrs' blood" of those who had been killed


from the jacobins onwards 'radicals' had used it.

Am I not getting something or is it you:confused:

[Pogue]

surely we did:



from the jacobins onwards 'radicals' had used it.

Am I not getting something or is it you:confused:

That was about 100 years before the paris commune used it, though. do you really think theres a connection?

chill out by the way mate. i'm only playing.

[Holden Caulfield]

Pogue will not learn if Pogue does not read ALL the article I linked to:



British sailors mutinied (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nore_mutiny) near the mouth of the River Thames (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/River_Thames) in 1797 and hoisted a red flag on several ships. Two red flags flown by marchers during the Merthyr riots (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merthyr_Tydfil) of 1831 in South Wales (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Wales) were soaked in calf's blood.[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_flag#cite_note-Saunders-9) The red flags of Merthyr became a potent relic following the execution of early trade unionist Dic Penderyn (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dic_Penderyn) (Richard Lewis) in August 1831 despite a public campaign to pardon him.

At much the same time, the Liberal "Colorados" in the Uruguayan Civil War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uruguayan_Civil_War) used red flags. This prolonged struggle at the time got considerable attention and symapthy from Liberals and revolutionaries in Europe, and it was in this war that Garibaldi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garibaldi) first made a name for himself and that he was inspired to have his troops wear the famous Red Shirts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redshirts_(Italy)).

During the 1848 Revolution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_of_1848_in_France), Socialists (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialists) and radical republicans demanded that the red flag be adopted as France's national flag. Led by poet-politician Alphonse de Lamartine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alphonse_de_Lamartine), the government rejected the mob's demand: "[T]he red flag that you have brought back here has done nothing but being trailed around the Champ-de-Mars in the people's blood in [17]91 and [17]93, whereas the Tricolore flag went round the world along with the name, the glory and the liberty of the homeland!"[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_flag#cite_note-10)


Look at some of the stuff that happened between the Jacobins and the Commune!
I hope you enjoy being wrong:cool:

[Pogue]

Pogue will not learn if Pogue does not read ALL the article I linked to:



Look at some of the stuff that happened between the Jacobins and the Commune!
I hope you enjoy being wrong:cool:

You are in fact right and I am indeed wrong.

[Dr Mindbender]

To me its for several reasons.

Red is the colour of anger. Also as some have said, its the colour of blood, which is a common denominator of all workers worldwide, regardless of their race, beliefs or creed.

[RedRise]

Red is the colour of blood and therefore the colour of passion, anger, battle and the people. The red flag has been a symbol of war since the first armies got together and charged at each other so it makes sense that one would raise a red flag to rally the people to fight.

[NecroCommie]

Red is also the colour of communism! :)

[Sarah Palin]

red is badass just like us

[blake 3:17]

I was once called a 'pinko' by a woman at a dance club. I responded that my politics were the dark red of bourgeois blood spillled on the street.* Kinda killed the conversation but WTF?


*I'd been at a very militant demo that day, and was a bit wound up. I hope I'd respond similarly in other situations.

[Sasha]

there is also this:


Both the black and red flags first gained notoriety for their use by Buccaneers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buccaneer), who were pirates of French origin operating in the West Indies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Indies). The black flag (later the "Jolly Roger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jolly_Roger)") was displayed, or 'run up' the mast, first as an indication that the lives of the crew would be spared if they surrendered. If the crew resisted, the red flag would then be displayed to indicate that the offer of amnesty had been withdrawn; no prisoners would be taken. Clearly there is limited if any relationship between the use of red and black flags associated with political belief, and their use to indicate no quarter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_quarter).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchist_symbolism