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Daz
24th December 2009, 01:16
A book by Jamie Glazov which tries to explain why some on the hard Left worship terrorists and dictators. Anyone here read it?
Admiral Swagmeister G-Funk
24th December 2009, 01:26
Never read the book. Fundamentally speaking I'd say that no true "leftist" (that stands for the masses) would "worship" a terrorist. "Worshipping" a "dictator" however, is a completely subjective term in itself, thus it bears no grounds for an intellectual analysis.
He is a dissident by all accounts, which is fair enough to an extent, but it seems that his arguments are based around neo-liberal ideologies, which in my mind does not constitute as a worthy ideological basis for debate.
However, as I said, I have not read the book, so maybe another comrade would care to elaborate on this question?
Drace
24th December 2009, 07:52
No leftist "worships" a dictator.
I suppose what is meant is why people support someone like Stalin.
The answer would be simply because of reason and evidence. Trying to explain why leftists are in favor of "dictators" implies that they do so on a religious level and as if they are brainwashed.
The book should then argue against the notions that supporters of these alleged dictators have. This way you combat the reasons and evidence on which supporters have for defending, for example, Stalin.
Vladimir Innit Lenin
24th December 2009, 10:43
I'm not sure that Stalin is really the example of a 'dictator' being alluded to here.
I'd more imagine that what is being referred to is the support for the likes of the non-Socialists such as Saddam, Kim Jong Il, Mugabe by some in the name of anti-imperialism.
rednordman
24th December 2009, 13:47
United in hate? Haha. Like the rightwing and conservatives are totally void from feeling hate? Or its perfectly OK for them to feel it, but not us. What an ironic title. I would not give this book the light of day to be honest. I would only read it to try and understand why conservatards see themselves as so perfect and us as the very worst scum on earth.
Anyhow, the only times in my view a leftwinger may support a dictator is due to anti-imperialism. Whether or not this is right, its is up for debate. That is a different thing to what the rightwing sees.
LeninistKing
27th December 2009, 05:34
terrorism and dictators are general words used by the mainstream media to bash and trash down alternative politicians, and alternative governments, not very loved by US Capitalist class
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A book by Jamie Glazov which tries to explain why some on the hard Left worship terrorists and dictators. Anyone here read it?
LeninistKing
27th December 2009, 05:36
Besides, all governments in this world for thousands of years are dictatorships. Even left leaning governments. Even Lenin said that there will be no true freedom and true democracy as long as there is a government. So Jefferson was Leninist and communist in a way. Communists are anti-state, communism is state-free, state-less. which is a more extreme form of democracy than socialism and capitalism.
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A book by Jamie Glazov which tries to explain why some on the hard Left worship terrorists and dictators. Anyone here read it?
Robocommie
27th December 2009, 10:16
Besides, all governments in this world for thousands of years are dictatorships. Even left leaning governments. Even Lenin said that there will be no true freedom and true democracy as long as there is a government. So Jefferson was Leninist and communist in a way. Communists are anti-state, communism is state-free, state-less. which is a more extreme form of democracy than socialism and capitalism.
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Yeah, Jefferson was Communist, in a way, except for the whole, slave owning, classical liberal, wealthy land owner kind of thing.
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