Democracy

[Pogue]

Do you think democracy, in all areas of life, be it in the workplace, communities, on internet forums or in the family, is a good thing?

[Holden Caulfield]

I like being told what to do by users with a theoretical level of zero and the socially retarded

[nuisance]

Looks like an admins voted.

[mykittyhasaboner]

There is no fun without unaccountable minorities.

[Plagueround]

I think the poll leaves a few options out. I mean, I like the idea of democracy, but would you want to open the society you live in right now to pure, unbridled democracy? Would you accept the decisions of the majority of the population? I know I would be terrified of what America would look like if we did that right now, and would probably be defending my family and tribe from extermination if we did. I don't think it's fair to say that those are the only two choices. It's similar to disagreeing with Ron Paul and having his cronies say "WHAT...YOU MEAN YOU'RE AGAINST FREEDOM?"

[The Author]

I agree, and this is why I believe in democratic centralism more than "purified democracy." Too much of a fetish goes around the concept of having democracy in all walks of life. Simply doesn't work that way. Most people do not have the intellectual level or the consciousness to entirely run their own affairs, and some conception of authority is needed. There is democracy in some instances, but once a decision is taken, it must be acted upon and put into force, no questions asked. Otherwise we descend into parliamentarianism and circle debates which accomplish absolutely nothing. Better to have "rubber stamp" politics than circles.

[Pogue]

I agree, and this is why I believe in democratic centralism more than "purified democracy." Too much of a fetish goes around the concept of having democracy in all walks of life. Simply doesn't work that way. Most people do not have the intellectual level or the consciousness to entirely run their own affairs, and some conception of authority is needed. There is democracy in some instances, but once a decision is taken, it must be acted upon and put into force, no questions asked. Otherwise we descend into parliamentarianism and circle debates which accomplish absolutely nothing. Better to have "rubber stamp" politics than circles.

Spoken like a true Stalinist :lol:

[Killfacer]

haha drop back in the the placeh as gone to shit. Why the fuck are BCBM and Wanted man not in the CC? Load of shit, i mean this site has always had a bit of a strange element in it's leadership (when BD was de-modded for example), but this is really a fucking joke. How embarresing for a socialist site.

Just saw Holden is dead aswell. Jesus christ.

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

The whole CC has gone. The Admins have gone mental.

[Killfacer]

Oh my jesus fuck bollock mc shitty bean fuck the shit walloping piss wagon shit flagon of urine fucking penis fuck. Got rid of the CC?

Another ego trip from the glorious leaders perhaps?

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

Yes and ****s banned because some yanks acted like shitcakes.

[Killfacer]

Pogue just told me on MSN so i got rid of it, i assume jazzratt wasn't best pleased...

[Plagueround]

Yes and ****s banned because some yanks acted like shitcakes.

And infractions for continual use of a word that was banned. Don't forget that one.

[Killfacer]

Go die in a hole freak.

[Pawn Power]

Like most questions of this nature it depends on the one's definition of 'democracy.'

If one is using the popular (yet shallow) definition of democracy as mere 'majority rule' and 'one person, one vote' then we can see how it can lead to coercion and oppression.

However, if one understand democracy in a more sincere way (not as a mechanism to enact your or your ideological agenda) as a decision making philosophy in which people have control over the decisions that effect them, then we can clearly see the liberating and revolutionary potential of such an idea.

I think we should view democracy as way in which people gain control over their lives. We should all demand power in the decisions that effect us and our daily lives. So community members should be demanding control over their communities, workers controlling their work places, students and teachers controlling their schools, and individuals controlling their own bodies, etc.

If you set out with the framework that democracy is a political structure to which ideas and position battle it out in elections and plenaries then all you can expect is competition and a loosing team. Instead, if we work with the framework that democracy is about power to control our lives then we can build popular power will also fighting oppressions of minorities.

The democracy that I have defined I think should be enacted in all areas of life and I think to not do so is serious downfall of the left.

[F9]

Stop it, please, it was a good thread, dont turn it to shit.

[Pawn Power]

Stop it, please, it was a good thread, dont turn it to shit.

Sorry.

[Plagueround]

Sorry.

Not you. Your post is great.

[F9]

Sorry.

:lol: have been some time to read a funny post in here really.


Not you. Your post is great.


I think he was joking ;)

[Killfacer]

Not you. Your post is great.

As was this one.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Oh look, someone is being an unaccountable dickhole and closing threads without saying shit. What the fuck is wrong with you?

[RHIZOMES]

i support plutocracy, viva malte!! long live israel!!

[RHIZOMES]

Oh look, someone is being an unaccountable dickhole and closing threads without saying shit. What the fuck is wrong with you?

holy shit a rational mod

you wont be a mod for long

[Killfacer]

Oh look, someone is being an unaccountable dickhole and closing threads without saying shit. What the fuck is wrong with you?

You're fucked man, you're like fucking Schindler, surely you're fucked.

[Revy]

What about consensus democracy.

Certainly we can't open up threads about banning particular people to everyone. then the unpopular people would be restricted/banned for no real reason than "I disagree". But we can use consensus to establish certain standards.

[Lyev]

Yes and ****s banned because some yanks acted like shitcakes.

Why is the word **** banned? It's only a bloody word; how can it connote so much?

[LeninBalls]

Why is the word **** banned? It's only a bloody word; how can it connote so much?

It's sexist and everytime you use it a female dies.

[Lyev]

It's sexist and everytime you use it a female dies.
How does it work then that I consider myself anti-sexist and not at all sexist and I use the word? It's not that I want to attact negative connotations to a females gentalia, but the word "****" means to me just a not a very nice person. I have don't think I have ever used the word **** to describe a vagina. It's just a bloody word; why do people have to get on a such holy crusade about it? Then again, my brother justifies usage of "gay" to negatively describe things, because it has come to mean something else than how it was first used. Oh well, I think I'm a bit behind on the whole "****" debate. And on this Marsella chap that everyone talks about; and the whole Malte, zionist thing :lol:

[The Red Next Door]

yeah, we need democracy because if people work together to make decisions things well be better.

[Killfacer]

yeah, we need democracy because if people work together to make decisions things well be better.

Don't be an idiot, that's something a lefty would say.

[Pogue]

Don't be an idiot, that's something a lefty would say.

bunch of bloody nutters

[Dr Mindbender]

Long live the plutocratic oligarchy of Edel-TAT.

May the dirty commies never darken the door of the adminship cabal again!

[Killfacer]

Don't worry, we're lead by unwilling philosipher kings who know better than us.

[Dr Mindbender]

Don't worry, we're lead by unwilling philosipher kings who know better than us.

Great. I dont know about you but im already shaved my head and got my unbearably itchy habit ready. Christmas is for heathens and those who would blaspheme to the god king Malte and his only begotten son TAT.
I will arise at 2 am for 12 hours of backbreaking labour and turnip picking followed by a further 5 hours praising my golden Malte effigy in the freezing cold.

For some reason he looks exactly like Kenny from South Park.

[Pogue]

or you could just buy another che t shirt.

[Killfacer]

Great. I dont know about you but im already shaved my head and got my unbearably itchy habit ready. Christmas is for heathens and those who would blaspheme to the god king Malte and his only begotten son TAT.
I will arise at 2 am for 12 hours of backbreaking labour and turnip picking followed by a further 5 hours praising my golden Malte effigy in the freezing cold.

For some reason he looks exactly like Kenny from South Park.

I have in fact constructed a giant wicker effigy of Malte and have proceeded to place little communist children in. I am awaiting communication from the god king himself before i burn it.

[Pirate Utopian]

First we must wear our holy Che robes from the Che Store.

[Dr Mindbender]

I have in fact constructed a giant wicker effigy of Malte and have proceeded to place little communist children in. I am awaiting communication from the god king himself before i burn it.

i was going to say make sure you burn palestinian communist children for extra Malte-XP but thats probably bordering grounds for an infraction.

[Killfacer]

i was going to say make sure you burn palestinian communist children for extra Malte-XP but thats probably bordering grounds for an infraction.

Good thing you didn't say it then eh

[Pogue]

Good thing you didn't say it then eh

its quite lucky he didn't say 'i was going to say make sure you burn palestinian communist children for extra Malte-XP' isnt it?

[Dr Mindbender]

Good thing you didn't say it then eh

oh shi...

[Pirate Utopian]

Or even worse "bathe in the blood of dead Palestinian communist children with ComradeMan and TAT while shouting Long Live Israel!"

I wouldnt have the guts to post that.

[Pogue]

You'd be a maniac to say something like that.

No doubt TAT will give the Palestinian communist children a copy of Anarchism in Japan before they die though. He's that decent, at least.

[the last donut of the night]

the che shirts are made from the hair of white phosphorous-scarred Palestinian children

[Killfacer]

Malte pisses white phosphorous into the eyes of palestinian children.

[RedAnarchist]

This is just going downhill fast, so I'm going to close this thread.