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Bankotsu
23rd December 2009, 06:15
Sixty Percent of Russians Nostalgic for Soviet Union

Russians still consider the dissolution of the Soviet Union as negative and they think this process could have been avoided, studies by sociologists show. As Vladimir Putin put it, it was the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the 20th Century. Over the last two years, the number of Russians who regret that the former Soviet Union broke up has not been declining.

This opinion is now shared by 60 per cent of respondents, Interfax was told at the Yuriy Levada Analytical Centre. This sentiment peaked in December 2000 with 75 percent.

Regret for the break-up of the Soviet Union is mostly shared by pensioners (85 per cent), women of all ages (63 per cent), 40-55 year-olds (67 per cent) and older respondents (83 per cent), those with less than average education (68 per cent), lower income (79 per cent), and rural residents (66 per cent). So it seems that those who actually lived in Soviet times feel that way. This is a significant fact.

"I think everyone has a certain nostalgia for the Soviet Union," said Zhanna Sribnaya, 37, a Moscow writer. "It's trendy because people my age, they can buy what they see, and they want to see their happy childhoods. We remember when ice cream cost 7 kopeks and we remember Pioneer camps [similar to Scouts and Brownies] when everyone could go to the Black Sea for summer vacations. Now, only people with money can take those vacations."

Polling also showed that the Soviet Union's restoration to its original form is backed by 16 per cent of respondents (13 per cent last year), while 13 per cent want to preserve the CIS in its current form. Fourteen per cent of respondents insist that all post-Soviet republics should be independent.

It is no surprise people feel this way in increasing numbers. The dog eat dog world they find themselves in is not exactly secure or comforting.

Another put is this way: "Now we have so many things and so cheap. But do we still need it? No! Nobody even cares about it. What we care about these days? It ’ s tomorrow. We are uncertain about it. Is dreaming about nice toys is worse than fear of tomorrow? That explains our nostalgia. Careless living that is what we had and what we have lost.

It’s depression what we have got in return. Depression kills dreams. Depression kills love. Competition gives you depression. Capitalism gives you competition. And then you become zombie. But then life was different. It was full of action. There was not much time left for bad moods. We were interacting a lot with friends, relatives, had many sport and culture centres. But you never felt like an idiot just because you classmate’s ribbon costs more than your all wearing.

Another Soviet citizen living in New York said that under Soviet times it was no loss to part with 3 rubles, you could throw it in the garbage can and not miss it, but in the US you can't lose anything like that because you'd end up dying and starving under a bridge whereas you knew that would never happen in the Soviet Union.

Real freedom means not worrying about being thrown out on the street because you cannot pay for your home. Housing was guaranteed and cheap in Soviet days. Real freedom means not being unemployed because your job was guaranteed and your utilities, transportation and entertainment were very, very cheap.

Freedom is knowing that you will have a pension and be able to have a nice vacation every year and that you can get all the education you want to advance your status in life totally free. Freedom also means guaranteed free health care.

Russians feel proud of the might and strength of the USSR. Among other reasons to be proud, 80% in all age groups cite the 1945 victory over fascism.

Those over 35 then cite postwar reconstruction, while the youngest group, aged between16-35, cite the great Russian poets, writers and composers. Some 60% of all age groups cite the achievements of the space programme. Still others mention great Soviet success the field of sports.

The statement that the USSR was the first state in Russian history to secure social justice for ordinary people was endorsed by most people over 35, 42.3% of those aged between 25-35 and just 31.3% of those aged 16-24.

So it's no surprise that the more and more Russians think life was better. It was. Now they are in a dog eat dog situation, uncertain of anything, without any guarantees. As the man said, what good is it to be able to travel anywhere when you cannot afford to do so?

Westerners lack much of the knowledge they need to understand the loss that Russians feel: the total world of a culture, the security, the depth of a social life that cannot be changed to fit an ideology.

Lisa KARPOVA

PRAVDA.Ru

http://english.pravda.ru/society/111328-sovietnostalgia-0

Drace
23rd December 2009, 06:21
I was already ware of this, but I'm wondering how many people were interviewed.

Red Saxon
23rd December 2009, 06:26
If they wished for earlier times, with 60%+ of the population "nostalgic" for the Soviet Union, why can't they mount a successful revolution? Democratic or otherwise?

Nolan
23rd December 2009, 06:42
If they wished for earlier times, with 60%+ of the population "nostalgic" for the Soviet Union, why can't they mount a successful revolution? Democratic or otherwise?

Modern Russian politics is as corrupt as hell. Its impossible to know how they REALLY vote. I'm not surprised the "moderates" win.

AK
23rd December 2009, 08:05
Is people being nostaligic for the old Soviet Union really a good thing? They need to be educated on true socialism and then they can see an even better way. Although, yes, there were significant advantages over living in the USSR than the modern day Russian Federation; such as a lack of Capitalists among other benefits.

Kayser_Soso
23rd December 2009, 09:07
Is people being nostaligic for the old Soviet Union really a good thing? They need to be educated on true socialism and then they can see an even better way. Although, yes, there were significant advantages over living in the USSR than the modern day Russian Federation; such as a lack of Capitalists among other benefits.

Russians work far too hard to listen to and actually believe Trotskyist theory. When you live outside of Moscow and have to commute in a packed marshrutka taxi which is stuck in traffic for two hours, then maybe eleven stops on a metro, then work 8 hours, and repeat the process on the way home- you don't want to listen to some western intellectual telling you that all those "socialist" revolutions actually weren't socialist at all. Their response would be a very justifiable "fuck off".

Kayser_Soso
23rd December 2009, 09:09
If they wished for earlier times, with 60%+ of the population "nostalgic" for the Soviet Union, why can't they mount a successful revolution? Democratic or otherwise?

You have to understand the way the Soviet Union is presented to them. They are reminded every day that there is no hope of Russian democracy, or a socialist revolution. Even those who actually believe in Communism have been cowed to believe that without a great leader like Stalin, they can't do anything. The media also spreads this myth of the Russian mentality, constantly telling the people that they are inherently corrupt, lazy, and incapable of doing anything progressive. Revolution will not come to Muscovite Russia first, I am sure of it. What does come from within the borders of the Russian federation will probably be from various minority groups, and those Russians who live among them.

Drace
23rd December 2009, 09:22
привет цомраде Сосо.
What ис тче аттитуде оф русскис он Сталин?

AK
23rd December 2009, 10:02
Russians work far too hard to listen to and actually believe Trotskyist theory. When you live outside of Moscow and have to commute in a packed marshrutka taxi which is stuck in traffic for two hours, then maybe eleven stops on a metro, then work 8 hours, and repeat the process on the way home- you don't want to listen to some western intellectual telling you that all those "socialist" revolutions actually weren't socialist at all. Their response would be a very justifiable "fuck off".
I do recognize that most of the "socialist" revolutions of the past (including the USSR, China, etc.) were socialist to begin with, but the socialist system was replaced after a crisis with a bureaucratic one, therefore creating a new class of privelliged Soviet (or Chinese, whatever the context) citizens.

Kayser_Soso
23rd December 2009, 10:57
привет цомраде Сосо.
What ис тче аттитуде оф русскис он Сталин?

Испрален- Привет товаришь Сосо.

The attitude toward Stalin is deceptively positive. That is to say that many people, perhaps even most, have a positive view of Stalin, but it is not a very accurate view. They love him for the wrong reasons; though this has more to do with the deliberate actions of the state and media. However, I have noticed various contrary trends. I believe that as more veterans die, the state will grow more bold, and the "heros" of the Russian Liberation Army and all manner of nationalists will be praised officially.

bailey_187
23rd December 2009, 17:22
If they wished for earlier times, with 60%+ of the population "nostalgic" for the Soviet Union, why can't they mount a successful revolution? Democratic or otherwise?

People think it would most likley create civil war

bailey_187
23rd December 2009, 17:26
I do recognize that most of the "socialist" revolutions of the past (including the USSR, China, etc.) were socialist to begin with, but the socialist system was replaced after a crisis with a bureaucratic one, therefore creating a new class of privelliged Soviet (or Chinese, whatever the context) citizens.

Even Trotsky recognised that a bureacracy can not be a class (this is what a Trotskyist said to me)

Pogue
23rd December 2009, 17:33
Russians work far too hard to listen to and actually believe Trotskyist theory. When you live outside of Moscow and have to commute in a packed marshrutka taxi which is stuck in traffic for two hours, then maybe eleven stops on a metro, then work 8 hours, and repeat the process on the way home- you don't want to listen to some western intellectual telling you that all those "socialist" revolutions actually weren't socialist at all. Their response would be a very justifiable "fuck off".

Come now, this is a stupid line of argument, its emotional and unscientific, you know that I could just as well reply (not that I would): When your getting your door kicked in by the NKVD, and your not allowed to complain when your government fucks up, and then you have go to work in for money you can't really spend, and then you have to do it all over again.... Its bollocks, its like a 'prolier than thou' attitude, as if somehow Marxism-Leninism is the authentic working class experience and everything else is just bollocks. You get plenty of intellectuals rabbitting on about how wonderful the Soviet Union is, which might cause many Russians to say 'fuck off'.

Kayser_Soso
23rd December 2009, 19:49
Come now, this is a stupid line of argument, its emotional and unscientific, you know that I could just as well reply (not that I would): When your getting your door kicked in by the NKVD, and your not allowed to complain when your government fucks up, and then you have go to work in for money you can't really spend, and then you have to do it all over again....

It may surprise you to learn that there is no NKVD kicking in doors today, whereas the conditions I described actually exist right now. Oh and is this an anarchist complaining about a lack of consumer goods in the USSR?

Also I suggest you do some more reading because the fact is that many people complained about the government in the 30s and absolutely nothing happened to them(at least for that). The Soviet people wrote tons of letters, hundreds of thousands every year, some of them directly to Stalin himself. Of course the system in the USSR was not ideal in terms of fostering the kind of debate needed to solve the USSR's problems- but the 1984 view is to use your term, bollocks.



Its bollocks, its like a 'prolier than thou' attitude, as if somehow Marxism-Leninism is the authentic working class experience and everything else is just bollocks.


Your words, not mine.



You get plenty of intellectuals rabbitting on about how wonderful the Soviet Union is, which might cause many Russians to say 'fuck off'.

Actually if I were to ask random people on the street, most would speak favorably about the USSR. Probably for the wrong reasons though.

bailey_187
23rd December 2009, 20:01
Also I suggest you do some more reading because the fact is that many people complained about the government in the 30s and absolutely nothing happened to them(at least for that). The Soviet people wrote tons of letters, hundreds of thousands every year, some of them directly to Stalin himself.
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Indeed:

“The regime regularly urged people to criticise local conditions as well as leaders...... For example, in March 1937 Stalin emphasized the importance of the party’s “ties to the masses”. To maintain them it was necessary to “listen carefully to the voice of the masses, to the voice of rank and file members of the party, to the voice of the so-called ‘little people,’ to the voice of the ordinary folk”. Pravda even went as far as to indentify lack of criticism with enemies of the people “Only an enemy is interested in seeing that we, the Bolsheviks....do not notice actual reality....Only and enemy....strives to put rose-coloured glasses of self-satisfaction over the eyes of our people”. As the Zawodny materials and a mass of over evidence show, these calls were by no means merely a vicious sham that permiated ony carfully chosen, reliable individuals to make safe criticisms” - Robert Thurston – Life and Terror pg 185-6

“A civil engineer interviewed [In the Zawodny interviews*] after the war remembered that people frequently complained about the poor quality and that he had to spend considerable time responding. Citizens protested to the city Soviet “and then when they see it doesn’t help they write direct to Stalin” “ - Robert Thurston – Life and Terror in Stalin's Russia pg 186
*A set of interviews taken by factory manger emigres after WW2.
Not really needed but i just finished typing these up from the book so though i may as well share.