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tradeunionsupporter
23rd December 2009, 05:13
I have read that under Socialism and Communism no one has the right to become rich were in marxist writtings does it say that no one should have the right to become wealthy ?[

revolution inaction
23rd December 2009, 11:34
it's not a matter of having or not having a right to become rich,it just wouldn't be possible. How can someone become rich if there is no money?

Kayser_Soso
23rd December 2009, 15:29
I have read that under Socialism and Communism no one has the right to become rich were in marxist writtings does it say that no one should have the right to become wealthy ?[

Technically you could become "wealthy" but you would have to do it through productive work- a lot of overtime, etc. In other words, doing something socially valuable. You wouldn't be able to hire people or just rent out some property.

Drace
23rd December 2009, 23:45
This is the whole thing we are trying to abolish here.
To abolish the private means of production and hand it to the workers.

The only means to becoming wealthy is exploitation. It would not be possible in communist society.

If you think the wealthy have the right to remain wealthy, then why are you a communist?

Bud Struggle
23rd December 2009, 23:58
The only means to becoming wealthy is exploitation.


Nope. There are other means to wealth. Have our Revolution and there's going to be an whole non explotitive wealthy class. Then you can spend your time on the Internet plotting another Revolution against them.

It's not class envy--it's creative envy that's your problem. ;)

Havet
24th December 2009, 00:32
Nope. There are other means to wealth. Have our Revolution and there's going to be an whole non explotitive wealthy class. Then you can spend your time on the Internet plotting another Revolution against them.

It's not class envy--it's creative envy that's your problem. ;)

I agree with Bud. There are many people who got rich without exploiting anyone. Take soccer players for example.

What should be done about those rich people, I ask?

Die Rote Fahne
24th December 2009, 00:45
Why would you need to get rich?

What does having a lot of things you don't need or use really do for you?

tradeunionsupporter
24th December 2009, 01:34
What do you mean by Technically you could become "wealthy" but you would have to do it through productive work- a lot of overtime, etc. In other words, doing something socially valuable. You wouldn't be able to hire people or just rent out some property.

Admiral Swagmeister G-Funk
24th December 2009, 01:43
The idea is not wealth. The concept of wealth would have no place in a communist society. The idea is each that individual would live as comfortably as the next, with all the tools and necessaties he or she needs to live. Wealth would not come into it as "wealth" is fundamentally built on one form of exploitation or another, and anyway the consequences of wealth are a tool used by the propaganda of capitalists anyway; a tool that they use to promote their ideology. Why do you think that there is such a huge gap between the wealthy and the poor?

The tranformation towards a communist society is the equal distribution of wealth; the outcome of this transformation is the abolishment of the concept of wealth and the security of each individual. In my eyes, anyway.

Bud Struggle
24th December 2009, 14:57
The idea is not wealth. The concept of wealth would have no place in a communist society. Why not?


The idea is each that individual would live as comfortably as the next, with all the tools and necessaties he or she needs to live. All well and fine is that is what you want--but if you are interested in having a bit or a lot more and are willing to work for it (without exploiting others)--you should have that option, too. In a free (Communist) society once one obeys the rules about exploitation and ownership one then should be free to do and aquire (personal property) as once chooses.


Wealth would not come into it as "wealth" is fundamentally built on one form of exploitation or another, and anyway the consequences of wealth are a tool used by the propaganda of capitalists anyway; a tool that they use to promote their ideology. Why do you think that there is such a huge gap between the wealthy and the poor? I don't believe this at all. Wealth is built on aquiring thing and/or money. One should be allowed to do that in any society as long as one obeys the "rules of acquisition" of that society.


The tranformation towards a communist society is the equal distribution of wealth; Not in the least--it's about not exploiting people to get wealth.