Revolutionary Workers Party

[red jon]

To all Marxists that reject Leninism, Stalinism, Maoism or any other revisionist dogma out there, myself and a group of comrades from Rhode Island (U.S.A. for those of you that dont know where Rhode Island is) are forming an orgainization of revolutionarys who believe in genuine Marxism and the complete overthrow of capitalism. We are looking for people with similar beliefs to help in the formation of this group. Anyone interested can send me a message and we can start working on the details of the party.

[Q]

A complete newbe comes to revleft, asking everyone to join his/her party. Yeah, that'll work.

Welcome, I hope you'll also post some other stuff besides recruitment posts :)

[bailey_187]

Welcome

Cool idea with the party man. What if me and my friends make a party then we can be an Revolutionary Workers International!

[Comrade Corwin]

I, in no way, mean to undermine your intellectual ideology, but I think you'll find that going back and removing all the lessons learned for over a century is not a good idea. There is a reason why new ideals have been attached to Marxism and that is because some of the fundamentals of our ideology must evolve to work within our modern era. You must realize that Marxism, the core belief that has brought us all together and very important as the foundation of all Communist thought, was written in the 1800's when the times were very much different, especially attitudes towards coups and violent overthrow (which in that time would have been targetted towards imperial pseudo-monarchs, not soley elected representatives).

[Chambered Word]

I, in no way, mean to undermine your intellectual ideology, but I think you'll find that going back and removing all the lessons learned for over a century is not a good idea. There is a reason why new ideals have been attached to Marxism and that is because some of the fundamentals of our ideology must evolve to work within our modern era. You must realize that Marxism, the core belief that has brought us all together and very important as the foundation of all Communist thought, was written in the 1800's when the times were very much different, especially attitudes towards coups and violent overthrow (which in that time would have been targetted towards imperial pseudo-monarchs, not soley elected representatives).

Just my 2 cents here, I don't really think Leninism, Maoism or Stalinism gave very favourable results. The USSR and China were led into totalitarian dictatorships and both states fell apart. China is, to the best of my knowledge, practically a capitalist dictatorship (under the guise of a 'communist party). While there were good parts in their history I think we would do well to not install another dictator.

The OP has a good point here.

[scarletghoul]

Just my 2 cents here, I don't really think Leninism, Maoism or Stalinism gave very favourable results.Wait, have you been paying attention to anything ? Just about every major revolutionary movement in the world right now is being led by Leninists and usually Maoists in some form or another*. Nepal, India, Phillipines, Colombia, Venezuela etc are all revolutionary movements derived from the Leninist and Maoist models If ongoing revolutions are not 'favourable results' then I dunno what you're doing on a revolutionary leftist forum.

*(Stalinism doesnt exist as a seperate thing, its just applied Leninism, so you can count that in there too I guess)

The USSR and China were led into totalitarian dictatorships and both states fell apart.When did the PRC fall apart ??? Anyway the reason they went wrong is not as simple as "leninism sucks". You need to study these things properly before you make such judgements: Leninism and Maoism have proven to be highly effective models of revolutionary organisation. These states degenerated after the initial revolution due to revisionist takeover due to rigid bureucracy and lack of mass power. The revolutionary model needs refining, keeping what's successful and correcting what went wrong. Just like how Mao refined Leninism with the GPCR. You don't throw away the whole thing when one part goes wrong.

[Comrade Corwin]

No, actually, I see what you are saying, Comrade Lewis, and I actually agree to an extent. So far, the revolutions have been a total disaster, in my opinion. I mean, I would pay extensive homage to all the brave souls that put forth their time, energy and even lives to instill a communist revolution and enhance our revoltionary mindset and fervor, but after the original generations of those revolutionaries began to die out, all that was faught for was lost. I believe this was because the revolutionaries failed to install a stable political structure to ensure that after the first regime that the struggle to perfect our ideology in practice would continue and they fell into governments not far from facism.

I must also disagree with you, Scarlet Ghoul. Stalinism is in no way Leninism and I almost take that as an insult. Stalin betrayed the revolution by declaring himself the life-long leader of the Soviet Union and creating the corrupt dictatorship that led to the demise of the Soviet government. If only Lenin's last request to put the democratically inclined Trotsky in power, maybe it would have been so much better... Who knows. I'm no Trotkyite either, but he was far favorable to Stalin. I don't care if you debate me on this issue. Stalinists tend to be an aggressively stubborn, defensive lot so I'm sure to get some troll on here after this comment, but I don't care anymore. I should be able to voice my educated opinion no matter who disagrees with me!

The People's Republic of China exists, yes, and I'm glad it does, because as long as I can hear Communism in the news, I'm happy, but they are becoming nothing more than a authoritarian capitalist state. Maybe they will be more than that in the future, but as long it is profitable, I don't see the government banning capitalist practices. It is just too beneficial for the corrupt, who have way too much sway in their government. Cuba is sort of the same way. It is a real shame, but what are you going to do? Revolution?

That's enough from me. I should stop before some conservative, hard-line Communist punches me in the face. Hahaha! I'm more interested in your theories, Comrade Lewis. I'd like to discuss more of your beliefs, if you get some time.

[The Ungovernable Farce]

I have to say, I'm really not convinced that the YCL is the party for you.