The rich owe us big-time

[graffic]

Perhaps it is a logical thing to believe that the rich, or perhaps more the "super rich" are "robbing" resources and opportunity from the majority of the population? I use the word robbing perhaps in the wrong way, because i don't think the accumulation of wealth is strictly "theft" but I think institutions which enhance privilege such as private education, private healthcare and the avoidance of tax is seriously damaging to society.

Would you agree that the people who use private healthcare, send their children to private schools and perhaps pump money into right-wing politics owe the rest of the population?

[Skooma Addict]

Would you agree that the people who use private healthcare, send their children to private schools and perhaps pump money into right-wing politics owe the rest of the population?

No, what makes you think that they do?

[Havet]

I don't exactly follow your logic that using private healthcare (non-state healthcare is perhaps a better term) somehow owes the people (or do you mean the state??) something. :confused:

[IcarusAngel]

Market tyranny is protected by the state so of course 'private healthcare' is just a more extreme form of statism than public options where the public participates to regulate healthcare.

And yes I believe right-wingers steal from society. Capitalists are inherently lazy. They take credit for other people's work.

Really, in a lot of way's that's human nature. Ppl. do indeed do things to ensure that they have the least amount of work possible. But it shouldn't be rewarded like it is in capitalism.

[Havet]

Market tyranny is protected by the state so of course 'private healthcare' is just a more extreme form of statism than public options where the public participates to regulate healthcare.

Is the unionized healthcare cooperative I go to an "extreme form of statism created by lazy capitalists" and should therefore be abolished?

[graffic]

I don't exactly follow your logic that using private healthcare (non-state healthcare is perhaps a better term) somehow owes the people (or do you mean the state??) something. :confused:

Rich people are always wanting you to help them out. People who have amassed a fortune, or were born into it , although they claim "hard work" was what got them there, they rely on others working collectively for them. They owe us

[Havet]

Rich people are always wanting you to help them out. People who have amassed a fortune, or were born into it , although they claim "hard work" was what got them there, they rely on others working collectively for them. They owe us

So the unionized healthcare cooperative I go to (private healthcare) owes the public money? I don't understand. Why?

[graffic]

So the unionized healthcare cooperative I go to (private healthcare) owes the public money? I don't understand. Why?

No, the money being spent on private healthcare. The money the rich have at their disposal, they have no right to that capital. It is not rightfully theirs

[Havet]

No, the money being spent on private healthcare. The money the rich have at their disposal, they have no right to that capital. It is not rightfully theirs

Why does the unionized healthcare cooperative (which is a form of private healthcare) not deserve that money and that capital? Do you think it is owned by one single rich capitalist or something? Because it is not.

[Robert]

Define "rich" so that I can determine whether I am one of those who owe you "big time," then tell me how much I owe you, then tell me where I should send the check.

Send your address to me in a PM so that others who are not as rich as you will be after I pay you will not demand that you turn the money over to them.

[Bud Struggle]

Define "rich" so that I can determine whether I am one of those who owe you "big time," then tell me how much I owe you, then tell me where I should send the check.

Send your address to me in a PM so that others who are not as rich as you will be after I pay you will not demand that you turn the money over to them.


Robert you are richer than me. You owe me $45 bucks and I WANT IT NOW!!! :cursing:

[Dr Mindbender]

Perhaps it is a logical thing to believe that the rich, or perhaps more the "super rich" are "robbing" resources and opportunity from the majority of the population? I use the word robbing perhaps in the wrong way, because i don't think the accumulation of wealth is strictly "theft" but I think institutions which enhance privilege such as private education, private healthcare and the avoidance of tax is seriously damaging to society.

Would you agree that the people who use private healthcare, send their children to private schools and perhaps pump money into right-wing politics owe the rest of the population?

Lets be honest here, the vast majority of the super-rich would agree with 'atlas shrugged'.

[Havet]

Lets be honest here, the vast majority of the super-rich would agree with 'atlas shrugged'.

I think only objectivists and randroids really believe in that crap

[IcarusAngel]

Cooperatives are actually public systems. The public participates in them to a greater degree than a wage-slave does in a corporation.

The reason they can be thought of as private is because of the distinction between private corporations and government corporations that exists in society.

[IcarusAngel]

I think only objectivists and randroids really believe in that crap

Yep. And the superrich don't believe in Randian economcis.

[Havet]

Cooperatives are actually public systems. The public participates in them to a greater degree than a wage-slave does in a corporation.

The reason they can be thought of as private is because of the distinction between private corporations and government corporations that exists in society.

I was just sayin' that graffic seemed to believe that only state-owned healthcare is legitimate, and that all other forms are owning money to the "public" (which I suspect he believes is the state as the state and vice versa)