Starbucks

[Comrade Gwydion]

When demonstations turn into riots, somehow Starbucks always are the first windows to be smashed. I wonder why?

I mean obviously, Starbucks is a multinational, which put's them instantly on the 'enemy'-list. But, in comparisson to many multinationals, they do fair trade, they improve their environmental standards etc. I am willing to believe this is all just a farce to improve their image, but even then: what makes them more 'evil' then McDonalds (the most widespread form of USA-cultural-imperialism) or Nike (which has sweatshops spanning the globe) or any shop selling Coca Cola (which is somehow associated with death-squads in Latin America...)


It might be because I'm a giant nutter for coffee, which is the one single thing that brings out the white middle class prick in me. (But they really do make the best Frappocino in the world:tt2:)

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

I'm sorry, but loving coffee is not exclussive to white middle cass pricks in any way whatsoever

[Sam_b]

Starbucks also happens to be the coffee shop that serves Guantanimo Bay, and refused to give free water to people running away from WTC.

And i'm sorry, their coffee is shite.

[Comrade Gwydion]

Starbucks also happens to be the coffee shop that serves Guantanimo Bay,
What do you mean by 'serve Guantanimo bay'? I didn't really expect GB to have a coffee shop :mellow:



and refused to give free water to people running away from WTC.

So? This means the managers of their Manhattan businesses in sept 2001 where assholes. I severly doubt that they have a higher order saying 'In case of terrorist attacks, don't give water'.



And i'm sorry, their coffee is shite.

I only had frappucino, which was great. Gonna try normal coffee tomorrow in 1 of the 2 only Starbucks' in the Netherlands. Sorry.

[Sam_b]

What do you mean by 'serve Guantanimo bay'? I didn't really expect GB to have a coffee shop

There is a Starbucks on site, and they provide the US troops there with their coffee.


This means the managers of their Manhattan businesses in sept 2001 where assholes

Yeah, no shit. Why therefore should I give them my service? Like it or not they are the epitomy of US economic imperialism, and have a dodgy record of allowing workers to unionise: IWW members on this board will attain to that.

[Holden Caulfield]

Coffee is minging, drink tea

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

by far the most expenssive coffee in town
shops found strictly in the most posh neighborhoods
also a very sub-par coffee
the restaurant on the corner has a far superior espresso for like a fifth of the price
probably even less, in fact

[Holden Caulfield]

the restaurant on the corner has a far superior espresso for like a fifth of the price
probably even less, in fact


probs not full of arty coffee knobs, teeny boppers with more money than sense, the upper classes and people in suits as well

[Comrade Gwydion]

They are the epitomy of US economic imperialism, and have a dodgy record of allowing workers to unionise: IWW members on this board will attain to that.

This is an argument I was looking for. Are there any sources for this? All the rest was basicly without much value.

[Revy]

why drink coffee in the first place? or tea for that matter?

Diet soda is better.

[Sam_b]

Yeah, being a company that feeds off imperialism by selling coffee to soldiers torturing detainees is 'without much value'.

Nonsense.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

probs not full of arty coffee knobs, teeny boppers with more money than sense, the upper classes and people in suits as well

indeed
it's instead frequented by football comentators since it's next to ESPN Brasil studios

[Luisrah]

why drink coffee in the first place? or tea for that matter?

Diet soda is better.

Don't you mean water?

Now THAT'S a drink.

[Angry Young Man]

It might be because I'm a giant nutter for coffee, which is the one single thing that brings out the white middle class prick in me. (But they really do make the best Frappocino in the world:tt2:)

By what imaginative adventure is a frapuccino a coffee? If you don't like coffee, just drink a fucking strawberry milkshake like everybody else in year 6, you pretentious prick!

Or acquire the taste for strong black coffee and go to a real coffee shop. And there is nothing wrong with arty coffee knobs, etc. If anything, Starbucks lacks in artistry. Their shops are just aquamarine mcdonalds.

[Sasha]

[warning serious answer/] they research wich small/tradional coffee places in an town are most populair/provitable and buy an building right next to it trying to put the local shop out of buisness.

[Comrade Gwydion]

[warning serious answer/] they research wich small/tradional coffee places in an town are most populair/provitable and buy an building right next to it trying to put the local shop out of buisness.

Really? Damn, that's cold. That's fucking cold. Got any sources of this happening? I do believe you, it sounds typical for large companies to do this kind of shit.



By what imaginative adventure is a frapuccino a coffee? If you don't like coffee, just drink a fucking strawberry milkshake like everybody else in year 6, you pretentious prick!

Or acquire the taste for strong black coffee and go to a real coffee shop. And there is nothing wrong with arty coffee knobs, etc. If anything, Starbucks lacks in artistry. Their shops are just aquamarine mcdonalds.

Fuck it man, although I love a good jug o' coffee to get me through the day, you should try evading pickpockets in Barcelona at 40*C all day. If frappocino manages to combine ice and caffeïne, I'm willing to sell my soul. (Hint: it does.)

On the other thing: I've been to Starbucks in Barcelona and in the netherlands. There are only two of them in the netherlands, and because of that it's really fucking busy in them and because of that they seem like a mcdonalds indeed.
In Barca, they where completely deserted apart from some artsy-fartsy hipsters reading books all day while sipping coffee.
Not something to be around all day, but rather refreshing (and/or funny) after a hectic city like barcelona.

[Wanted Man]

Why would you want to seek out Starbucks in the Netherlands? Be glad that we've still got some variety. Perhaps our grandchildren will be entirely unaware that there is a drink called "coffee" that can be made my many different people in many different ways, because they only know a certain warm drink called "Starbucks" that is only made in 1 way by 1 company.

Anyway, just look up Starbucks on wikipedia and find the customary "criticism" or "controversy" section (wikipedia is like a big collection of people's opinions, but you have to call it an encyclopedia!), and you'll learn more about it.

EDIT: by the way, good American patriots don't need to worry; Starbucks supports the troops! http://www.starbucks.com/aboutus/pressdesc.asp?id=684&rumor=true :)

http://whitetail-mafia.com/images/support_troops.jpg

[Pavlov's House Party]

starbucks is expensive as shit and the coffee isn't even that great
its more worthwhile getting cheap but well brewed stuff at a cornerstore

[Искра]

coffee is bourgeoisie

[Il Medico]

Coffee is the best.

Starbucks is not.

[RHIZOMES]

Yeah, no shit. Why therefore should I give them my service? Like it or not they are the epitomy of US economic imperialism, and have a dodgy record of allowing workers to unionise: IWW members on this board will attain to that.

I can vouch for this as someone involved in the Unite Union (the union that organizes Starbucks) in New Zealand too.

[RHIZOMES]

coffee is bourgeoisie

trying to fully wake up in the morning is bourgeoisie

[Os Cangaceiros]

I prefer No Doz to coffee for waking up.

I went overboard with them one time while I was on my road trip, though, and took two at once (400 MGs of caffeine). Felt great for a while, but the comedown was horrendous.

[Raúl Duke]

In my experience, if you just want normal coffee (espresso, capuccinos, coffee with milk/cream) starbucks isn't so great compared to other places I'm used to plus it tends to be more overpriced. For their other stuff though, I guess it's ok

In Miami and Puerto Rico, when you get coffee from a regular place they make it "espresso-style" (instead of the American style or drip style) and I like it that way better. I like caffe cortado (or in Italian I think it's cafe macchiato) which is espresso with a bit (like a few drops or so) of milk.

[heylelshalem]

1. starbucks does not support local art and music..which is what a coffee shop should do.
2. starbucks is total corporate evil and has malevolant strategys to destroy local coffee shops.
3. I prefer my coffee shops to have wierdos artists thinkers and such..places that have open mics, poetry nites and good live music. Starbucks has none of that.

Oh yeah drink yerba mate. or chai. I usually drink black tea or green tea (its easier on my stomach) but if i want to get "spun" on caffiene either of the formentioned will work quite well.

so yeah.. fuck starbucks and corporate coffeshops.

[Bright Banana Beard]

Cafe Cubano ftw.

[Andropov]

Coffee and more importantly coffee shops are snob infested nests full of pretentious dildos.
Anyway Irish people were raised on spuds and tea for generations, tea is an institution here.
Irish people drink more tea per head of population than any other people in the world.

[Invincible Summer]

Tea is infinitely better than coffee - much tastier, better variation (I can't tell the diff b/w Colombian and African roast or whatever the fuck), and less pretentious.

[Raúl Duke]

Cafe Cubano ftw.

QFT

Although it's basically like espresso (which is Italian) with "lots of sugar" or at least it's like that when I go to a certain Cuban household.

[Os Cangaceiros]

I used to work with a Cuban guy fishing. All he drank ever was Cafe Bustelo...he wouldn't even drink coffee unless it was Cafe Bustelo. :lol:

He had a weird habit of pouring gross amounts of sugar into his coffee, as well, almost until his coffee looked like coffee-flavored sugar paste. It was kind of nasty looking, but I guess he said that it was common practice where he came from.

[Angry Young Man]

On the other thing: I've been to Starbucks in Barcelona and in the netherlands. There are only two of them in the netherlands, and because of that it's really fucking busy in them and because of that they seem like a mcdonalds indeed.

Pause for thought: The Netherlands has coffee shops where you can have a spliff with your coffee and you want a coffee shop exactly the same to the one they have in Newport? wtf!

[Patchd]

When demonstations turn into riots, somehow Starbucks always are the first windows to be smashed. I wonder why?
Easy, their heavy coffee mugs can be used, and are used, for missiles on actions.

[Raúl Duke]

Pause for thought: The Netherlands has coffee shops where you can have a spliff with your coffee and you want a coffee shop exactly the same to the one they have in Newport? wtf!

That's a very good question

I mean if I were in the Netherlands I would be going to those spliff coffee-shops instead, especially over fucking starbucks.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

how the devil is tea less pretentious than coffee?
coffee is the drink of the working man and woman
and of the tropical third world
tea is the drink of the evil West and the British Empire
of the idle classes and the bourgeoisie

[Angry Young Man]

how the devil is tea less pretentious than coffee?
coffee is the drink of the working man and woman
and of the tropical third world
tea is the drink of the evil West and the British Empire
of the idle classes and the bourgeoisie

Last time I checked, the US - linchpin of the evil capitalist empire, was a coffee country. Also, every globe and atlas I've seen puts Brazil in the West, assuming you go by the totally arbitrary starting point of the Bosphorus. Plus, the coffee culture in the UK is imported from France, and what class of people regard the French as culturally superior to the British (I'm by no means making the opposite cultural valuation)?
And even though tea was brought to Europe by imperialism, it has always been the drink of the British working class. If coffee is the drink of the French working class, that's hairy muff.

ED: Forgot to mention that coffee was also brought to Europe by imperialism

[Andropov]

coffee is the drink of the working man and woman
:lol:

[bcbm]

tom hodgkinson has an interesting take on the tea v. coffee debate in his book "how to be idle." he suggests that while coffee is used commonly by working people, it is in fact a drink preferred by the bosses for the workers to drink because it promotes the dominant work ethic. coffee is consumed quickly to get a buzz and maintain your ability to work hard, whereas tea takes time to prepare and is drank more leisurely and for pleasure, rather than for the caffeine. of course, this has come under attack too with the "quick cuppa" from a styrofoam cup and the like.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

preparation time is similar
coffee can take a lot longer depending on method used

people drink coffee leisurely all the time
coffee break
nobody takes a tea break because tea drinkers are idle bourgie fucks

[Andropov]

preparation time is similar
coffee can take a lot longer depending on method used

people drink coffee leisurely all the time
coffee break
nobody takes a tea break because tea drinkers are idle bourgie fucks
Ok things are very different on your side of the Atlantic.

[The Red Next Door]

I like starbucks but not their behavior but their coffee is okay. but i prefer to get something from the convenience store

[the last donut of the night]

If you like Starbucks, ergo you are this:

http://www.imnotobsessed.com/more/marykate-blkbootcr.jpg

[pierrotlefou]

I used to go and then I read that book No Logo.

[Invincible Summer]

how the devil is tea less pretentious than coffee?
coffee is the drink of the working man and woman
and of the tropical third world
tea is the drink of the evil West and the British Empire
of the idle classes and the bourgeoisie

Tea is actually the drink of working people in much of the east so...

[Raúl Duke]

Ok things are very different on your side of the Atlantic.

In PR coffee is the norm, since it's grown there, and tea is rarely drunk but I bet that the people who do drink tea in that island could be seen as pretentious and/or British-wannabes. However, one can't really say that one or the other is "less complicit in imperialism" since the British if I remember correctly used to get their tea out of India while the Americans got their coffee from the Cubans, Puerto Rico (which is their colony), etc.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

I was joking before of course. Both coffee and tea and consumed widely among workers and bosses where I live, and I presume most anywhere. There is no direct British influence at all on present day tea drinking here. Brazilians drink mate, black and herbal teas by the shitloads. Coffee however is a national obsesson and part of basically every social gathering of every social class.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

If you like Starbucks, ergo you are this:

http://www.imnotobsessed.com/more/marykate-blkbootcr.jpg

she probably calls herself an environmentalist

[Angry Young Man]

In America, tea is the drink of pretentious posh folk who want to imitate the British bourgeoisie; in the UK, coffee is the drink of pretentious posh folk who want to imitate the French bourgeoisie. I imagine that coffee is drank by all classes in France, like wine.

Mind you, my bro-in-law told me of an Andalusian collective in the Civil War who banned coffee as bourgeois.

But the long and the short of it is that coffee gives me the jitters and an upset stomach, whereas tea is relaxing and assuages any ailments. If this is common among many people, tea is the healthier drink, and foremost of the left's concerns should be the health of the working class

[bricolage]

Starbucks coffee tastes like shit, if they had a 'every latte bought means two molotovs to the greek insurrection' banner outside their shop I will wouldn't buy it. :D

[Andropov]

Ya tbh ive tried Coffee once or twice and I thought it was mank altogthor.
Prefer a brew with a bit of milk and 4 teaspoons of sugar.

[Raúl Duke]

I was joking before of course. Both coffee and tea and consumed widely among workers and bosses where I live, and I presume most anywhere. There is no direct British influence at all on present day tea drinking here. Brazilians drink mate, black and herbal teas by the shitloads. Coffee however is a national obsesson and part of basically every social gathering of every social class.

I was referring to some back and forth between the Americans and the British.
In their cases, their tea and/or coffee was likely procured cheaply through imperialism (sometimes out-right imperialism through formal colonies) so calling one "the nectar of the proletariat" over the other "bourgeois drink of bloody imperialism" is just non-sense that I already heard before when revleft had that discussion previously (through chit-chat) that even lead to revleft groups about tea and/or coffee.

People should just drink whatever they like. Sometimes I want tea (usually when I'm in the U.S.; I like black or green tea or chai; sometimes red is interesting and yerba mate as well.) and sometimes(especially when I'm in Miami, Puerto Rico, or Italy, etc) I want coffee. In communism there will be no exploitation behind the making of either drink.

So let's not bring the drinks and keep slamming starbucks for being shitty at making normal coffee (i.e. espressos and lattes).

[Angry Young Man]

4 teaspoons of sugar.

Ick. You'll get diabetes, and then what use will you be on the barricades?

[Os Cangaceiros]

If this is common among many people, tea is the healthier drink, and foremost of the left's concerns should be the health of the working class

http://men.webmd.com/features/coffee-new-health-food

[the last donut of the night]

she probably calls herself an environmentalist

and she will be one of the first to be brutally murdered when the revolution comes

[RHIZOMES]

and she will be one of the first to be brutally murdered when the revolution comes

:3

[Angry Young Man]

In practical terms, regular coffee drinkers include the majority of U.S. adults and a growing number of children.
:scared:

I'm sure it cures headaches in the same way that cigarettes cure stress - absence of causes cigarettes. Speaking of which, how can anything that is a) addictive and b) can totally fuck your heart up be good for you

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

good god, shut the fuck up

caffeine actually does cure headaches
that's a fact

sick of this paternalist bullshit that children ave to be protected from the evil perils of coffee

[Os Cangaceiros]

:scared:

I'm sure it cures headaches in the same way that cigarettes cure stress - absence of causes cigarettes. Speaking of which, how can anything that is a) addictive and b) can totally fuck your heart up be good for you

Oh ma god! Not the children!

Coffee is slightly habit forming, but it's not heroin...if you want to quit drinking coffee, and quit cold turkey rather than weening yourself off it, you'll only feel a bit "off" for a couple days after quitting, after which your adenosine receptors return to their normal state.

As for the "totally fuck your heart comment", that's like saying that "no one should drink alcohol, it totally fucks your liver", or "no one should eat meat, it makes you fat" :rolleyes:.


Coffee may also raise cholesterol levels in some people and may contribute to artery clogging. But most recent large studies show no significant adverse effects on most healthy people

[Schrödinger's Cat]

Starbucks prices are so abysmal that I'm surprised it has been successful. The fact donut shops are now percieved of as a threat to its competition hopefully testifies to the intelligence of some people - their speciality drinks are "acceptable" to "good," but everything else is just crap filtered with bath water. For $7 I could purchase a sandwhich and a refillable cup with a 10 inch diameter - hey, there's a novel idea. Free refills on coffee.

I've constantly been told working at Starbucks is absolute hell - and I'm only talking about the baristas.

[Raúl Duke]

I'm sure it cures headaches in the same way that cigarettes cure stress - absence of causes cigarettes. Speaking of which, how can anything that is a) addictive and b) can totally fuck your heart up be good for youCoffee? Habit-forming?

pssh

I remember I use to drink it almost every morning, then I moved, and didn't drink it every morning (actually, I almost never drink it. It's been actually months since and I'm not craving in any degree) and it was not a problem for me.

Actually, I don't think anyone on this island believes that coffee is addictive...
That's more of a North-American (or just generally Anglo) notion.