the new tankies..

[Sasha]

i was searching for an apt name to describe our current line of idiots joining up.

Tankies doesnt cut it realy sinds they are less "har har stalin, tank, tank tank" and more "har har anti-imperialism, shoot cop, get guns, join the RIRA & hamas"

in dutch we would call them ant-impies but it seems that over here genuine anti-imperialist take offence to that.

so anyone have suggestions? i thougt about kalaschnikies but thats to long and isnt as cathy as tankies.

[Sasha]

takening this personal much?

[mosfeld]

Bawwww butthurt psycho :crying::crying::crying:

[scarletghoul]

:laugh:

[Honggweilo]

stalinogoths

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/ic_tucson/lenin_stalin_guitar.jpg

[Sasha]

stalinogoths


nice but it doesnt realy cover it...

[Dimentio]

Testosteronistas?

[hugsandmarxism]

Testosteronistas?

hehe, I like this one :p

[Sasha]

Testosteronistas?

very nice... :laugh:

maybe if some other peeps have good sugestions we can make this an poll.

[NecroCommie]

stalinogoths

Hey!

[Honggweilo]

AHHHHHHMOTHERLeninists :p

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/end

[Искра]

Testosteronistas?
I would agree with this if there would be less anime and kid stuff.

I would call them stalinobrats

[ls]

In the same vain as the ubuntu guy mr shuttleworth, SABDFListas?

[Sasha]

yeah but the problem with refering to lenin or stalin is that this users dont seems to have anymore political substance than howeling (death to) IMPERIALIZZZTZ!!!

they are even further removed from M-L's/maoists as tankies are.

[Sasha]

i mean hugs, BR and SG arent even in this catogorie, im talking about the uncle ho's, geuvarist insurgent (and his sock martyrdom beckons) etc etc.

[Plagueround]

Non liberals

Not everyone who disagrees with you is automatically a liberal Ms. Coulter.

[Jazzratt]

Testosteroneistas works for me.

That or wankers.

[Искра]

I vote for Wankers :thumbup1:

[Wanted Man]

i mean hugs, BR and SG arent even in this catogorie, im talking about the uncle ho's, geuvarist insurgent (and his sock martyrdom beckons) etc etc.

They're called twats, douchebags, etc.

[Tyrlop]

Fascists?? where're they?

[Comrade B]

Seems a bit of a mean spirited thread, we should make our goal to sway these people to a reasonable ideology, not shit talk.

[hugsandmarxism]

I would agree with this if there would be less anime and kid stuff.

I would call them stalinobrats

http://www.revleft.com/vb/picture.php?albumid=497&pictureid=4167


i mean hugs, BR and SG arent even in this catogorie, im talking about the uncle ho's, geuvarist insurgent (and his sock martyrdom beckons) etc etc.

What he said. There is a difference between violence fetishists and sincere leftists whom you just happen to disagree with. And when it comes to me, I'm my own phenomenon all to myself, so don't try to group me in with these testosteronistas. I like anime (shoot me) and want world communist revolution... these guys just like cool shit that blows up an play into a stereotype put together by our class enemies. So yeah. :rolleyes:

[Honggweilo]

what about icepicktards? :cool:

[Sasha]

Stalinbrat would be perfect for our hugs

but doesnt cut it for the trolls

[Honggweilo]

or vangulagardists :D

[Holden Caulfield]

Cant think what I would call them
Unanalatical names won't really help us
Never-the-less it would be funny,
This much is true.
So very true

[Il Medico]

Banned Idiots?

[Spawn of Stalin]

Middle-class pseudo-fascist geeks.

[Raúl Duke]

I don't know what they should be called but I do see where you are coming from.

I actually prefer the HU (although I don't remember much about them, specifically what made them soo controversial in the past, and did see their inclination with Hoxha to be a little...too much. Not that their ideas bothered me, it seemed like an interesting form of anti-revisionist M-L with their talk about social imperialism, etc.) then these fellows.

[Durruti's Ghost]

"Testosteronista" captures the spirit of the violence fetishist quite well. "Middle-class pseudo-fascist geek" works too, but it's a bit long.

[hugsandmarxism]

Stalinbrat would be perfect for our hugs

but doesnt cut it for the trolls

http://www.revleft.com/vb/picture.php?albumid=212&pictureid=3506http://www.revleft.com/vb/picture.php?albumid=212&pictureid=3506http://www.revleft.com/vb/picture.php?albumid=212&pictureid=3506http://www.revleft.com/vb/picture.php?albumid=212&pictureid=3506http://www.revleft.com/vb/picture.php?albumid=212&pictureid=3506http://www.revleft.com/vb/picture.php?albumid=212&pictureid=3506

We need to put my Stalin smiley into the smilies options. Seriously :p

[Sugar Hill Kevis]

Non liberals

Maybe we could just describe the rest of the community as non pricks

[Bright Banana Beard]

Why not just Stalinists? how about Stalinemoist

[RHIZOMES]

Middle-class pseudo-fascist geeks.

psuedo-leftist crypto-fascist would be more accurate

[Jimmie Higgins]

Sorry... "Tankies"? Is that internet or British slang.

[Durruti's Ghost]

Sorry... "Tankies"?

Tankie: n. Derogatory term for Marxist-Leninists/Stalinists. A reference to the suppression of the 1956 Hungarian Revolution ("Send in the tanks!"), even though many of the people to whom it is applied are critical of these actions, seeing them as the policies of the revisionist regime in place in the USSR at the time.

[Искра]

tankie is British slang for Stalinists

[Jimmie Higgins]

Ahhhh. Thanks.

[the last donut of the night]

http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/9/16/128660498159844805.jpg

[Bright Banana Beard]

anarcky is known as sinister terrorists. Right? Check Somalia!

[Bilan]

How about, infantile anti-working class brats?

[Bright Banana Beard]

How about, infantile anti-working class brats?

Oh, check this out ! Lenin call you guys and your ideologies an Infantile Disorder. Go check with the doctor for this disorder.

[Glenn Beck]

Revleft, I am disappoint

[bcbm]

why are all the stalinists so keen to defend our crop of guerrilla fantasy role-players?

[Bright Banana Beard]

why are all the stalinists so keen to defend our crop of guerrilla fantasy role-players?
Not really, if you can say it, can we say it too?
but but then you promised us freedom of speech.

[bcbm]

are you high?

[Glenn Beck]

why are all the stalinists so keen to defend our crop of guerrilla fantasy role-players?

Because all the anarchists et al. are too goddamn ignorant to tell the difference between the variegated schools of thought you refer to as "stalinist", thus "we" rightly perceive this as a veiled attack on ourselves.

[bcbm]

Because all the anarchists et al. are too goddamn ignorant to tell the difference between the variegated schools of thought you refer to as "stalinist", thus "we" rightly perceive this as a veiled attack on ourselves.

no, i think we can all tell the difference between, say, you and guevaraist insurgent. this thread is very clearly about the idiots who talk about guns and guerrillas and wishing they could go join some brown people with guns (how exotic!), not your average mustache worshiping tank groupie.

[Glenn Beck]

no, i think we can all tell the difference between, say, you and guevaraist insurgent. this thread is very clearly about the idiots who talk about guns and guerrillas and wishing they could go join some brown people with guns (how exotic!), not your average mustache worshiping tank groupie.

I don't worship facial hair, that would be narcissistic, manliest of men that I am.

[ls]

In all fairness, facial hair vastly enhanced Bakunin and Kropotkin (and even Lenin).

And I'm pretty sure Stalin would've looked really weird without his moustache.

[bcbm]

I don't worship facial hair, that would be narcissistic, manliest of men that I am.

:thumbup1:

[Glenn Beck]

In all fairness, facial hair vastly enhanced Bakunin and Kropotkin (and even Lenin).

And I'm pretty sure Stalin would've looked really weird without his moustache.

Lenin looked pretty lame without that iconic goatee, being clean shaven also made him squint at cameras for some reason

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3e/Lenin_05d.jpg

[bcbm]

In all fairness, facial hair vastly enhanced Bakunin and Kropotkin (and even Lenin).

And I'm pretty sure Stalin would've looked really weird without his moustache.

http://media.englishrussia.com/no_moustache/8.jpg

[Glenn Beck]

http://media.englishrussia.com/no_moustache/8.jpg

http://www.atalude.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/shat_bricks.jpg

[ls]

Oh my god, that picture is disturbing (the Stalin one).

[9]

I just ate some good soup.

[#FF0000]

I just ate some good soup.

oh neat what kind

[9]

^Vegetable :D

[Il Medico]

Oh, check this out ! Lenin call you guys and your ideologies an Infantile Disorder. Go check with the doctor for this disorder.
Nope sorry. I don't see any Left Communism listed under Political disorders.
http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/6079145/2/istockphoto_6079145-doctor-reads-chart.jpg

Ah...But might be interested to know that being a Stalinist Troll is indeed here. There is no known cure, but if it consoles you any, the cause is known to be idiocy. This disease is known to cause much pain, not to you, but to everyone else, so I am prescribing a 500 mg dose of "Disconnect your computer".

[#FF0000]

^Vegetable :D

mmmmm

[Andropov]

This thread is only going to end in a Tendency shit throwing fest.
I would advise closing it.

[#FF0000]

This thread is only going to end in a Tendency shit throwing fest.
I would advise closing it.

sounds like someone's a scared.

Know who else is scared?

liberals

[bcbm]

This thread is only going to end in a Tendency shit throwing fest.


noooo, here?

[Bilan]

Oh, check this out ! Lenin call you guys and your ideologies an Infantile Disorder. Go check with the doctor for this disorder.

OMG. Lenin said it. It is therefore true.
Are you that fucking thick?
Left Wing Communism: An infantile disorder is polemic against Lenin's political opponents, not scripture, you twat.
Learn to think critically.

[Bilan]

Lenin looked pretty lame without that iconic goatee, being clean shaven also made him squint at cameras for some reason

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3e/Lenin_05d.jpg

HAHA! That looks like my girlfriends dad. :lol:

[Andropov]

I really dont see the need to attack the M-L or Stalin label to a troll.
If a troll is a troll, then hes a troll irrelevant of what tendency he claims to represent.
So in answer to the original flaming question, the name you can refer to these trolls is...*drum roll*....TROLL.

[bcbm]

I really dont see the need to attack the M-L or Stalin label to a troll.

this thread isn't even about ml or stalin trolls.

[Il Medico]

I really dont see the need to attack the M-L or Stalin label to a troll.
If a troll is a troll, then hes a troll irrelevant of what tendency he claims to represent.
So in answer to the original flaming question, the name you can refer to these trolls is...*drum roll*....TROLL.
Since this is about my comment...


My little satire was about accusation that Left Communism is a "disorder". Since troll is not a political tendency, though you wouldn't know from logging on to revleft, I specifically named what type of troll he is. I probably was unnecessarily harsh, but after typing up numerous chastisements of users like BR and hitting delete, this time I hit send. Though Stalinist trolls are in a way a disease, as it is a cancer that MLs have to deal with. And tbh I don't know why the only Ml who isn't actively defending these poster is Kassad.

[Jazzratt]

I am prescribing a 500 mg dose of "Disconnect your computer".

Thereby winning the thread.

[The Ungovernable Farce]

Because all the anarchists et al. are too goddamn ignorant to tell the difference between the variegated schools of thought you refer to as "stalinist", thus "we" rightly perceive this as a veiled attack on ourselves.
You are good at reading comprehension.

yeah but the problem with refering to lenin or stalin is that this users dont seems to have anymore political substance than howeling (death to) IMPERIALIZZZTZ!!!

they are even further removed from M-L's/maoists as tankies are.


i mean hugs, BR and SG arent even in this catogorie, im talking about the uncle ho's, geuvarist insurgent (and his sock martyrdom beckons) etc etc.

[Bright Banana Beard]

Damn, even when I play this thread, I still lose.

I lost. Now you can go ahead and call me whatever you want. :lol:

[Andropov]

Since this is about my comment...
No its not, it was in referance to Psychos original post.

My little satire was about accusation that Left Communism is a "disorder". Since troll is not a political tendency, though you wouldn't know from logging on to revleft, I specifically named what type of troll he is. I probably was unnecessarily harsh, but after typing up numerous chastisements of users like BR and hitting delete, this time I hit send. Though Stalinist trolls are in a way a disease, as it is a cancer that MLs have to deal with. And tbh I don't know why the only Ml who isn't actively defending these poster is Kassad.
There are some particularly trollish M-L posters and when they troll I openly condemn it.
Just like there are some particularly trollish Anarchist and Left Communist posters, in which I would include yourself and some other self righteous trendy left posters.
But you dont see M-L's posters here constantly starting threads about it cribbing and crying.

[Pogue]

I see no hope for this thread.

[The Ungovernable Farce]

But you dont see M-L's posters here constantly starting threads about it cribbing and crying.
Of course not (http://www.revleft.com/vb/group.php?groupid=213).

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

Of course not (http://www.revleft.com/vb/group.php?groupid=213).

I want to rep you so bad.

[Andropov]

Of course not (http://www.revleft.com/vb/group.php?groupid=213).
You see no difference between internal *****ing sessions and taking your dirty undies and cleaning them in the public eye?
Odd.

[Il Medico]

No its not, it was in referance to Psychos original post.

Alright, it seemed to be directed at my comment considering how close after it your post was.


There are some particularly trollish M-L posters and when they troll I openly condemn it.
I am waiting.


Just like there are some particularly trollish Anarchist and Left Communist posters, in which I would include yourself and some other self righteous trendy left posters.
:lol:


But you dont see M-L's posters here constantly starting threads about it cribbing and crying.
No they just ramble on about how the Anarcho-trot conspiracy is out to get them in every other thread and start entire groups to whine about it. Big Difference.

[Искра]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdvuLVWO5hA

MAOIST SKINHEADS SMASH SMASH SMASH!!! KOMUNIZM!

[Искра]

Lenin looked pretty lame without that iconic goatee, being clean shaven also made him squint at cameras for some reason

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3e/Lenin_05d.jpg

He looks like some kind of drunken bump :D

[Honggweilo]

wdvuLVWO5hA

MAOIST SKINHEADS SMASH SMASH SMASH!!! KOMUNIZM!
fucking a :laugh:, my IQ just dropped by 50 :lol:

[ZeroNowhere]

We should call them pigs, I think.

[The Ungovernable Farce]

fucking a :laugh:, my IQ just dropped by 50 :lol:
The inexplicable baby shots make that video awesome. Also I love how badly they fail at burning that swastika - you'd think they'd wait till it went up properly and then edit out everything before that, but no, we get to see them messing around with matches trying and failing to get it to go up. Awesomes.

[Comrade B]

Back to facial hair

I think Che pulled it off alright, but he was trying not to look like himself on the other hand, so that he could work undercover.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/01/02/article-1104483-02127305000004B0-416_468x316.jpg

[Andropov]

Alright, it seemed to be directed at my comment considering how close after it your post was.
Didnt see this in my post did you?....."So in answer to the original flaming question".

I am waiting.
Wait away.
If you dont believe me read the thread I started on the Pol Pot group where I stated I supported its banning.

:lol:
Laugh away, still doesnt change the nature of your trolling.

No they just ramble on about how the Anarcho-trot conspiracy is out to get them in every other thread and start entire groups to whine about it. Big Difference.
I havent seen anything about an Anarcho-trot conspiracy tbh?
TBF I think the trots here are generally quite respectfull and most importantly tend to avoid the trollish infalmatory shit throwing fests the trendys here like to start and generally speaking engage in constructive dialogue.
But in relation to some kind of conspiracy from the Anarchists/Left Communists tbh I think thats fair since there are threads about banning M-L's and keeping descriminatory rules against M-L's etc. So for a conspiracy theory it does have a factual backing not to mention the numerous purges that have taken place on this board throughout the years of M-L's.
So throw all the :lol: faces you want into a debate but it still doesnt change the fact that this is a deliberately inflammatory thread started by an Anarchist.
It should be shut as it only throws fuel on the fire of the tendency chasm that is ever widening on this board.

[Il Medico]

Wait away.
If you dont believe me read the thread I started on the Pol Pot group where I stated I supported its banning.
I did especially the part were your all up in arms about its banning. Seems a odd thing for a supporter of banning something to start a thread to protest its banning.


Laugh away, still doesnt change the nature of your trolling.
I laughed because I could only assume something that ridiculous was a joke. But since it seems you insist that this allegation is serious, I will address your "criticisms". You said that I am a troll because I am a "self righteous trendy left poster". I can only assume that by "self righteous" you mean my principled opposition to sexism, racism , transphobia and the like. I am sure all true revolutionaries join you in your disapproval of such. :rolleyes: Now as for the accusation of being "a trendy left poster", if you mean a Hipster commie or something like that then I can say that it is some what fitting as I tend to dress my best irl. But for some reason your comment comes off as a bit more negative than a reflection of my fashion sense. I think you are trying to say that I am one of those people who are a communist cause it is "fashionable", which is utter nonsense. If I was going to do something cause it is trendy I would start religiously following the teachings of Glenn Beck like half of my town. Anyways, if you think being a "self righteous trendy left poster" equals being a troll, well you don't know your ass from you elbow when it comes to trolling.


I havent seen anything about an Anarcho-trot conspiracy tbh?
TBF I think the trots here are generally quite respectfull and most importantly tend to avoid the trollish infalmatory shit throwing fests the trendys here like to start and generally speaking engage in constructive dialogue. I agree that most are fairly respectful and focus on disscussion, to bad I can't say the same about most MLs. I mean you guys have some really good posters like Kassad, rjevan, and Ismail to your credit, but your tendency is also marred by an unbelievable number of trolls.


But in relation to some kind of conspiracy from the Anarchists/Left Communists tbh I think thats fair since there are threads about banning M-L's and keeping descriminatory rules against M-L's etc. So for a conspiracy theory it does have a factual backing not to mention the numerous purges that have taken place on this board throughout the years of M-L's.
If I recall in the thread you are referring to most Left Communist and Anarchist (myself included) voted to remove the rule and not ban you guys. The fact is that only a very small minority of people who find your politics particularly reprehensible voted to ban/restrict your tendency. You post here know that it is a multi-tendency forum and that some are going to find your politics reactionary garbage that shouldn't be posted on the main board. If you can't handle that then you shouldn't come here.


So throw all the :lol: faces you want into a debate
Cause I am the one who derailed this discussion by flaming. :rolleyes:


but it still doesnt change the fact that this is a deliberately inflammatory thread started by an Anarchist.
It should be shut as it only throws fuel on the fire of the tendency chasm that is ever widening on this board.
Actually Psycho said that these posters are worse than Stalinist trolls and tankies, despite how bad he thinks they are. If you want to get offended and defend these idiots, because they claim some adherence to your ideology, then fine. It only reflects on your failure to see past tendency, not ours.

-The Doctor

[Andropov]

I did especially the part were your all up in arms about its banning. Seems a odd thing for a supporter of banning something to start a thread to protest its banning.
Pathetic and indicitive of your trollish nature.
I can start quoting what I said if you really want to reach to such depths of immaturity in distorting the truth.
I was clearly up in arms because of the way in which it was banned, the undemocratic nature, not the banning in principle, so dont even bother trying to distort my arguement you troll.

I laughed because I could only assume something that ridiculous was a joke. But since it seems you insist that this allegation is serious, I will address your "criticisms". You said that I am a troll because I am a "self righteous trendy left poster". I can only assume that by "self righteous" you mean my principled opposition to sexism, racism , transphobia and the like.
Ehhh wrong again, thats not why I call you self righteous.

I am sure all true revolutionaries join you in your disapproval of such.
Since your above assumption is wrong this badly constructed strawman FAILS.
Do better.

Now as for the accusation of being "a trendy left poster", if you mean a Hipster commie or something like that then I can say that it is some what fitting as I tend to dress my best irl. But for some reason your comment comes off as a bit more negative than a reflection of my fashion sense. I think you are trying to say that I am one of those people who are a communist cause it is "fashionable", which is utter nonsense. If I was going to do something cause it is trendy I would start religiously following the teachings of Glenn Beck like half of my town.
Ya ya im sure thats it.
Why I call you trendy is because you seem more interested in mounting a purist pedastel on the internet than actually supporting working class progression in reality.
You seem to be in it for the moralistic high ground rather than any conveivable advancement of the working class.

Anyways, if you think being a "self righteous trendy left poster" equals being a troll, well you don't know your ass from you elbow when it comes to trolling.
No.
You are a trendy left self righteous poster that combines such actions in your trolling activity.
Like your inflamatory comments in this thread.

I agree that most are fairly respectful and focus on disscussion, to bad I can't say the same about most MLs. I mean you guys have some really good posters like Kassad, rjevan, and Ismail to your credit, but your tendency is also marred by an unbelievable number of trolls.
Please give examples?
And I would hazard a guess that the list you will give will not even compare to the list of names I have gathered of Anarchists/Left Communists who decided it would be funny to troll a certain M-L's profile.
You see this all stems to your self rightoeus nature, your ivory tower of perfections so to speak where if any M-L poster does troll they are labeled as a troll even though 80% of their contributions to the forum are constructive but if an Anarchist/Left Communist trolls even though 80% of their contributions to the forum are consturctive you only recognise the constructive portions and ignore the trolling contributions, as JR put it "just a laugh". But god forbid if a M-L does it, then we have an endemic on our hands etc etc etc. Your sense of perspective is distorted.

If I recall in the thread you are referring to most Left Communist and Anarchist (myself included) voted to remove the rule and not ban you guys. The fact is that only a very small minority of people who find your politics particularly reprehensible voted to ban/restrict your tendency.
I think you will find that a sizeable proportion of regular Anarchist/Left Communist users voted for one of our restriction, banning or keeping a descriminatory rule.
I could get the figures but I think that is breaking CC policy.

You post here know that it is a multi-tendency forum and that some are going to find your politics reactionary garbage that shouldn't be posted on the main board. If you can't handle that then you shouldn't come here.
And I make you think I cant handle it?
I never said I cant handle it, I just gave you a perfectly legitimate reason for our alleged (your words)...."Anarcho-trot conspiracy is out to get them in every other thread and start entire groups to whine about it. Big Difference".
But the real point here is that for a multi-tendency forum to operate effectively such petty inter-tendency purging is counter productive.

Cause I am the one who derailed this discussion by flaming. :rolleyes:
You contributed in the same vein as the original trolling post was.

Actually Psycho said that these posters are worse than Stalinist trolls and tankies, despite how bad he thinks they are.
Exactly.
Yet again attributing trolling to M-L's in a derogatory fashion.
Something I have seen over and over here from your ilk without a second thought to the Anarchist/Left Communist trolls, but sure thats ok right?

If you want to get offended
Im not offended tbh, I expect as much from you.

and defend these idiots,
Which idiots have I exactly defended?

because they claim some adherence to your ideology, then fine.
Not at all.
I merely find your warped perspective on our tendency as the problem here.
As I pointed out above your distorted view of Trolls and their tendencys explains this.

It only reflects on your failure to see past tendency, not ours.
Like I said I can start listing users names here that enjoyed a bit of trolling that were Anarchists/Left Communists and just as guilty of trolling as much as any half decent M-L poster.
Just to prove my point that its not me being a champion of M-L's around here or something more like me attacking your blatant hypocricy and sectarianism.

[bcbm]

itt: world's most boring circle jerk

[ls]

Riite-Boii was correct at the beginning, take socialist/Lex Luther for example, an unfunny troll when he was supposedly an LC, a troll now he's supposedly an ML. There. Sorted. EOD.

[Il Medico]

Pathetic and indicitive of your trollish nature. Nice Flame.


I can start quoting what I saidI know what you said. The fact is that we elect moderators to do stuff like this, administrate the board. There is nothing undemocratic about it. CC threads are made when a moderator/admin's actions are particularly controversial. Banning a troll group hardly qualifies. Thus I question your motives, which is my opinion, and has nothing to do with distorting the "truth". And last time I checked we are allowed to have opinions. Whether my opinion of your motives are as wrong as your opinion of mine are, is completely besides the point.


so dont even bother trying to distort my arguement you troll.
Flame.


Ehhh wrong again, thats not why I call you self righteous.

Since your above assumption is wrong this badly constructed strawman FAILS.
Do better.

Ya ya im sure thats it.Well considering you left me nothing to interpret your insult with, I was forced to assumption based on similar previous accusations toward both myself and other "Self righteous trendy left posters".


Why I call you trendy is because you seem more interested in mounting a purist pedastel on the internet than actually supporting working class progression in reality.I am glad you feel you are qualified to judge my commitment to class struggle in real life based on sparing interactions we have had on this internet forum. And you claim I am the one on the high horse. :rolleyes:


You seem to be in it for the moralistic high ground rather than any conveivable advancement of the working class.Same as above. ^


No.
You are a trendy left self righteous poster that combines such actions in your trolling activity.Bullshit flame.


Like your inflamatory comments in this thread.And you call me a hypocrite.


Please give examples?
And I would hazard a guess that the list you will give will not even compare to the list of names I have gathered of Anarchists/Left Communists who decided it would be funny to troll a certain M-L's profile.Well considering you have been making most of the acusations in this argument, whlist I have been merely commenting on how a very vocal trollish clique of ML posters (all of which are household names to any one who has posted here for more than a week)have been dragging the Marxist-Leninist reputation through the mud. But to entertain you I'll name a few:
socialist, BR, Radical, Uncle Ho, Gueveraist insurgent, Che Guevara Lenin Stalin (or whatever his name was), red cat, Panda Tse Tung, SG.


You see this all stems to your self rightoeus nature, your ivory tower of perfectionsFlame


so to speak where if any M-L poster does troll they are labeled as a troll even though 80% of their contributions to the forum are constructive but if an Anarchist/Left Communist trolls even though 80% of their contributions to the forum are consturctive you only recognise the constructive portions and ignore the trolling contributions, as JR put it "just a laugh". But god forbid if a M-L does it, then we have an endemic on our hands etc etc etc. Your sense of perspective is distorted.
If I actually did that I would find you, Hugs, Mykitty, Glenn Beck and a number of other ML poster trolls, which I don't.


I think you will find that a sizeable proportion of regular Anarchist/Left Communist users voted for one of our restriction, banning or keeping a descriminatory rule.And I am willing to bet a majority of Left Coms and Anarchist voted to remove the rule.


I could get the figures but I think that is breaking CC policy.I think you've already done that by bringing up specifics of a CC discussion.


And I make you think I cant handle it?
I never said I cant handle it, I just gave you a perfectly legitimate reason for our alleged (your words)...."Anarcho-trot conspiracy is out to get them in every other thread and start entire groups to whine about it. Big Difference".
But the real point here is that for a multi-tendency forum to operate effectively such petty inter-tendency purging is counter productive. I agree it is counter productive. But pointing figures and yelling "conspiracy" at people doesn't help either. The best thing to do is engage people who disagree with you politely (on the internet at least).


You contributed in the same vein as the original trolling post was.If you mean the Doctor post towards BR, then yeah, I broke my general rule of not being an ass to people over the internet. However, I was talking about the conversation we are having (or attempting to have)in which you immediately started flaming me.


Exactly.
Yet again attributing trolling to M-L's in a derogatory fashion. I think he was attributing trolling to ML trolls not Marxist-Leninism itself. But I think I'll let Psycho speak for himself.


Something I have seen over and over here from your ilk without a second thought to the Anarchist/Left Communist trolls, but sure thats ok right?I don't condone the career Anarchist trolls like Jurko either.


Im not offended tbh, I expect as much from you.Flames away.


Which idiots have I exactly defended?Guevarist Insurgent, Uncle Ho and the like. You have taken a thread attacking these trolls and equated it to an attack on Marxist-Leninism itself, which it is not.


Not at all.
I merely find your warped perspective on our tendency as the problem here.
As I pointed out above your distorted view of Trolls and their tendencys explains this.I hardly have a warped perspective of your tendency. I hold nothing against ML's except for their politics. If you wish to continue to take my recongizing that some MLs are trolls and because these trolls are rather vocal in their trolling they give an undeserved repution to Mls as a whole, as me thinking that all Mls are trolls, then that's your prerogative.


Like I said I can start listing users names here that enjoyed a bit of trolling that were Anarchists/Left Communists and just as guilty of trolling as much as any half decent M-L poster.Ah, there the crux of the matter. I am addressing a particular group of career trolls. Everyone trolls/flames occasionally (in fact the post I am currently responding to is indicative of that). And Hell, that's pretty much what chit-chat is for; to allow people to have a little fun w/o derailing serious discussions.


Just to prove my point that its not me being a champion of M-L's around here or something more like me attacking your blatant hypocricy and sectarianism.What a bullshit flame. But I would like to add that you can champion Marxist-Leninism all you want, hell you probably should considering that's what you believe, but don't champion trolls just because the share your belief.

[Bright Banana Beard]

after rereading the whole thread, I just love how ultra-leftists get angry when we also made our own. After all, we want to be fair.

[Il Medico]

after rereading the whole thread, I just love how ultra-leftists get angry when we also made our own. After all, we want to be fair.
:confused: What are you talking about. What thread?

[Angry Young Man]

What, do you mean the new people who need a little guidance, patience, spend a bit of time in Learning and get written off as trolls and banned?

[ZeroNowhere]

No, they don't.

[Bilan]

I'm in favour of a Stalinist relocation program, where all Stalinists must be kept at least 15 meters away from a computer at all times.

[Bright Banana Beard]

lol Bilan are one whining crying baby when it comes to Stalinism. He doesn't care, so why should we care about his comment at all?

[A.R.Amistad]

is it entirely impossible for people to stay on one subject at a time without personal insults?

[Andropov]

Nice Flame.
Not at all, your post was a deliberate distortion of my arguement hence why I refer to it as trolling.

I know what you said. The fact is that we elect moderators to do stuff like this, administrate the board. There is nothing undemocratic about it. CC threads are made when a moderator/admin's actions are particularly controversial.I was raising the point that to ban a group I thought it needed a democratic vote in the CC. Obviously it didnt and problem resolved.

Banning a troll group hardly qualifies. Thus I question your motives, which is my opinion, and has nothing to do with distorting the "truth". This has everything to do with distorting the truth. As I stated in that thread I agreed with the banning of the group, just not the undemocratic manner in which it was done from my perspective. So stop twisting and turning attempting to manipulate my point, its pathetic.

And last time I checked we are allowed to have opinions.This has got nothing to do with your opinion. This is to do with you trolling by purposefully manipulating my arguement. So dont be sticking your hands up, "wha I do, wha I do"?

Whether my opinion of your motives are as wrong as your opinion of mine are, is completely besides the point. The difference is that there is documented evidence in the CC that your distortion of my posts regarding the Pol Pot thread is trolling while calling your manipulation of the truth trolling is self explanatory. So you are just confirming my accusation tbh with your persistant distortion of the truth as it proves my point that you like to troll.

Flame.Not really since we have established that you have distorted my post in an immature trollish manner.

Well considering you left me nothing to interpret your insult with, I was forced to assumption based on similar previous accusations toward both myself and other "Self righteous trendy left posters". Or you could be "forced" to ask a question instead of assuming.

I am glad you feel you are qualified to judge my commitment to class struggle in real life based on sparing interactions we have had on this internet forum.Ok can your organisation/party or anyone here confirm what work you have done with regaurds to commitment to the class struggle?

And you claim I am the one on the high horse. :rolleyes:Yes on the purist pedastel sluring and tarnishing the names of people and a whole tendency that has and is progressing the class war.

Same as above. ^Same as above.
Im calling you out on your Spoof, what have you actually done?
If you want I can get numerous comrades here who know me to tell you whether I have been active or not in class politics?

Bullshit flame. Since we both see how you attempted to distort my post with regaurds Pol Pot then I think tis pretty much on the money and not a "bullshit flame".

And you call me a hypocrite. Of course I do, I tried to end this thread before it degenerated any more into a tendency shit throwing festival.
Have a look at my original post in this thread before you call me a hypocrit again and reconsider your statement.

Well considering you have been making most of the acusations in this argument, whlist I have been merely commenting on how a very vocal trollish clique of ML posters (all of which are household names to any one who has posted here for more than a week)have been dragging the Marxist-Leninist reputation through the mud.I fail to see how M-L trolls drag the M-L reputation through the mud anymore than Anarchist trolls drag the Anarchist reputation through the mud.
This is an isolated internet forum safely tucked away from the working class so a bit of perspective here.

But to entertain you I'll name a few:
socialist, BR, Radical, Uncle Ho, Gueveraist insurgent, Che Guevara Lenin Stalin (or whatever his name was), red cat, Panda Tse Tung, SG.Socialist, BR, Red Cat, Panda Tse Tung and SG all contribute some good stuff to this forum.
Granted they do troll sometimes but I see it no more than alot of your Anarchist posters.
If you want to see your high brow Anarchist/Left Communist posters trolling activities id advise you take a look at what they did to Tupacs profile here consistantly over a long period.

Flame
If I actually did that I would find you, Hugs, Mykitty, Glenn Beck and a number of other ML poster trolls, which I don't.Bollocks.
I attempt to broach a middle ground in most treads but if I see some blatant hypocrisy like there was in this then I will confront it. That is not trolling but your contribution to this thread was and your lies about my Pol Pot post was also too.

And I am willing to bet a majority of Left Coms and Anarchist voted to remove the rule. Well over 20 of the most active Revleft Anarchists/Left Communists voted to either maintain a descriminatory rule or banning/restricting us outright..

I think you've already done that by bringing up specifics of a CC discussion. As was required when you asked me that question since most discussion on trolls takes place in the CC.
Not to mention how you have also broken this rule.

I agree it is counter productive. But pointing figures and yelling "conspiracy" at people doesn't help either.It is not yelling conspiracy.
It is right infront of everyones eyes, how 20 of the most influential Left Communists/Anarchists were voting on the restriction of a certain Tendency within Revleft. While also taking into account the numerous purges conducted on Revleft throughout its history. None of this is a conspiracy its a documented fact on Revleft.

The best thing to do is engage people who disagree with you politely (on the internet at least). I agree and I do try to do this the majority of times, I.E look at my original post here, I try and avoid tendency shit throwing fests but like I said before if there are blatant lies and slander then I will step in.

If you mean the Doctor post towards BR, then yeah, I broke my general rule of not being an ass to people over the internet. However, I was talking about the conversation we are having (or attempting to have)in which you immediately started flaming me. We were not having a conversation.
You quoted my post which was clearly in referance to psychos original post and preceded to give your rant from atop a pedastel.
I responded in kind even though my original posts here were attempting to stop this mess before it got dirty.

I think he was attributing trolling to ML trolls not Marxist-Leninism itself. But I think I'll let Psycho speak for himself. By clearly infereing they are M-L trolls its attributing trolling to Marxist-Leninism. If a trolls a troll, then hes a troll, I dont differenciate between what tendency they are.

I don't condone the career Anarchist trolls like Jurko either.Im glad you said that, what about the likes of Militant Anarchist etc?

Flames away.Fob it off as flaming if you like but you have set a certain trend for yourself.

Guevarist Insurgent, Uncle Ho and the like. You have taken a thread attacking these trolls and equated it to an attack on Marxist-Leninism itself, which it is not.I think you will find I have not defended them once, I have no particualr loyalty to them.
And of course this is an attack on Marxist-Leninism, be equating trolling to Marxist-Leninism you are slandering our tendency.
When the likes of Jurko and Militant Anarchist I just call trolls, there is no need to refer to them as "Anarchist" trolls, they are about as politically educated in Anarchism as Guevarist insurgent is in Marxist-Leninism.

I hardly have a warped perspective of your tendency. I hold nothing against ML's except for their politics. If you wish to continue to take my recongizing that some MLs are trolls and because these trolls are rather vocal in their trolling they give an undeserved repution to Mls as a whole, as me thinking that all Mls are trolls, then that's your prerogative. Jaysus thats alot of waffle.
Look the thread is a clear inferance between trolling and Marxist-Leninism.
Like I said a million times, if a trolls a troll, hes a troll irregaurdless of his tendency.

Ah, there the crux of the matter. I am addressing a particular group of career trolls. Everyone trolls/flames occasionallyOhh playing the occasional card I see.
Are you sure you dont want to see this record of spamming becuase it was far from occasional.
It was a concerted and continous effort by a sizeable amount of Anarchists/Left Communsits to spam a certain members profile with very abussive comments.
So dont piss on me and tell me its raining.

(in fact the post I am currently responding to is indicative of that).As I have pointed out continuously your manipulation of the Pol Pot thread is an instance of trolling as its highly immature and stifels cosntructive debate. The sad thing is that I know you are capable of constructive debate and there was no need for you to manipulate that Pol Pot thread.

And Hell, that's pretty much what chit-chat is for; to allow people to have a little fun w/o derailing serious discussions. Increasing the tendency chasm in revleft is not really fun.
It is to the detriment of the board given the context in which this fun is made on the back of a sizeable amount of Anarchist/Left Communists asking for our banning/restriction and the previous Marxist-Leninist purges which have been conducted here.

What a bullshit flame.Not really since your dismissive attitude to Anarchist/Left Communist trolling is indicitive of your blatant hypocricy but when an alleged M-L does it god forbid we have an epidemic on our hands with M-L users dragging Marxist-Leninism through the mud. Seriously a bit of cop on now.

But I would like to add that you can champion Marxist-Leninism all you want, hell you probably should considering that's what you believe,Indeed.

but don't champion trolls just because the share your belief.I dont.
I recognise that some M-L users do troll on occasion just like some Anarchist/Left Communists do but it is being distorted and blown out of all proportion.

[Искра]

is it entirely impossible for people to stay on one subject at a time without personal insults?
Accordingto statistics the most users on revleft are male users between 18 and 19. Which means that it is IMPOSSIBLE.

[Pogue]

Accordingto statistics the most users on revleft are male users between 18 and 19. Which means that it is IMPOSSIBLE.

lol so true.

[Sasha]

yeesh, great to see an fun thread reduced to an petty flame war.

good, testoteroniods it is for the gun ho's...

with an honourable mention for stalinbrats to replace the outdated tankie.

close?

[hugsandmarxism]

http://www.hongfire.com/cg/data/14/Pirorin_-_5.gif

[Il Medico]

Not at all, your post was a deliberate distortion of my arguement hence why I refer to it as trolling.

I was raising the point that to ban a group I thought it needed a democratic vote in the CC. Obviously it didnt and problem resolved.

This has everything to do with distorting the truth. As I stated in that thread I agreed with the banning of the group, just not the undemocratic manner in which it was done from my perspective. So stop twisting and turning attempting to manipulate my point, its pathetic.

This has got nothing to do with your opinion. This is to do with you trolling by purposefully manipulating my arguement. So dont be sticking your hands up, "wha I do, wha I do"?

The difference is that there is documented evidence in the CC that your distortion of my posts regarding the Pol Pot thread is trolling while calling your manipulation of the truth trolling is self explanatory. So you are just confirming my accusation tbh with your persistant distortion of the truth as it proves my point that you like to troll.

Not really since we have established that you have distorted my post in an immature trollish manner.

Or you could be "forced" to ask a question instead of assuming.

Ok can your organisation/party or anyone here confirm what work you have done with regaurds to commitment to the class struggle?

Yes on the purist pedastel sluring and tarnishing the names of people and a whole tendency that has and is progressing the class war.

Same as above.
Im calling you out on your Spoof, what have you actually done?
If you want I can get numerous comrades here who know me to tell you whether I have been active or not in class politics?

Since we both see how you attempted to distort my post with regaurds Pol Pot then I think tis pretty much on the money and not a "bullshit flame".

Of course I do, I tried to end this thread before it degenerated any more into a tendency shit throwing festival.
Have a look at my original post in this thread before you call me a hypocrit again and reconsider your statement.

I fail to see how M-L trolls drag the M-L reputation through the mud anymore than Anarchist trolls drag the Anarchist reputation through the mud.
This is an isolated internet forum safely tucked away from the working class so a bit of perspective here.

Socialist, BR, Red Cat, Panda Tse Tung and SG all contribute some good stuff to this forum.
Granted they do troll sometimes but I see it no more than alot of your Anarchist posters.
If you want to see your high brow Anarchist/Left Communist posters trolling activities id advise you take a look at what they did to Tupacs profile here consistantly over a long period.

Bollocks.
I attempt to broach a middle ground in most treads but if I see some blatant hypocricy like there was in this then I will confront it. That is not trolling but your contribution to this thread was and your lies about my Pol Pot post was also too.

Well over 20 of the most active Revleft Anarchists/Left Communists voted to either maintain a descriminatory rule or banning/restricting us outright..

As was required when you asked me that question since most discussion on trolls takes place in the CC.
Not to mention how you have also broken this rule.

It is not yelling conspiracy.
It is right infront of everyones eyes, how 20 of the most influential Left Communists/Anarchists were voting on the restriction of a certain Tendency within Revleft. While also taking into account the numerous purges conducted on Revleft throughout its history. None of this is a conspiracy its a documented fact on Revleft.

I agree and I do try to do this the majority of times, I.E look at my original post here, I try and avoid tendency shit throwing fests but like I said before if there are blatant lies and slander then I will step in.

We were not having a conversation.
You quoted my post which was clearly in referance to psychos original post and preceded to give your rant from atop a pedastel.
I responded in kind even though my original posts here were attempting to stop this mess before it got dirty.

By clearly infereing they are M-L trolls its attributing trolling to Marxist-Leninism. If a trolls a troll, then hes a troll, I dont differenciate between what tendency they are.

Im glad you said that, what about the likes of Militant Anarchist etc?

Fob it off as flaming if you like but you have set a certain trend for yourself.

I think you will find I have not defended them once, I have no particualr loyalty to them.
And of course this is an attack on Marxist-Leninism, be equating trolling to Marxist-Leninism you are slandering our tendency.
When the likes of Jurko and Militant Anarchist I just call trolls, there is no need to refer to them as "Anarchist" trolls, they are about as politically educated in Anarchism as Guevarist insurgent is in Marxist-Leninism.

Jaysus thats alot of waffle.
Look the thread is a clear inferance between trolling and Marxist-Leninism.
Like I said a million times, if a trolls a troll, hes a troll irregaurdless of his tendency.

Ohh playing the occasional card I see.
Are you sure you dont want to see this record of spamming becuase it was far from occasional.
It was a concerted and continous effort by a sizeable amount of Anarchists/Left Communsits to spam a certain members profile with very abussive comments.
So dont piss on me and tell me its raining.

As I have pointed out continuously your manipulation of the Pol Pot thread is an instance of trolling as its highly immature and stifels cosntructive debate. The sad thing is that I know you are capable of constructive debate and there was no need for you to manipulate that Pol Pot thread.

Increasing the tendency chasm in revleft is not really fun.
It is to the detriment of the board given the context in which this fun is made on the back of a sizeable amount of Anarchist/Left Communists asking for our banning/restriction and the previous Marxist-Leninist purges which have been conducted here.

Not really since your dismissive attitude to Anarchist/Left Communist trolling is indicitive of your blatant hypocricy but when an alleged M-L does it god forbid we have an epidemic on our hands with M-L users dragging Marxist-Leninism through the mud. Seriously a bit of cop on now.

Indeed.

I dont.
I recognise that some M-L users do troll on occasion just like some Anarchist/Left Communists do but it is being distorted and blown out of all proportion.
God damn it, I give up. All I've tried to do in this thread in regards to our conversation is engage you about the topic of trolling on revleft in a respectful manner. You seem completely incable of understanding/wanting to hear what I actually said and contrive some other/opposite meaning to fit your warped view of me as a sectarian troll. I say I don't think all MLs are trolls, only a certain group; you say that I am calling all MLs trolls. It is clear that this conversation will go nowhere and you seem not to even take a glancing look at my post; but rather by tendency bar and pre decide what I am going to say and mean. I am done trying to have a civil "discussion" with you. I have better things to do with my time. Enjoy your "victory" and have a nice day.

-The Doctor

[ls]

Do you stop to think before you post? You really love your flames, don't you? Your infraction apparently didn't teach you not to flame.

But it's simply true whether you like it or not, it's not flaming, what I posted on your userpage was tho and it meant my 4th infraction in a year. But yeh I'm not gonna do that anymore..even if the people they're intended for deserve it. :cool:

[GracchusBabeuf]

http://www.hongfire.com/cg/data/14/Pirorin_-_5.gifAgreed.

[ellipsis]

Lenin looked pretty lame without that iconic goatee, being clean shaven also made him squint at cameras for some reason

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3e/Lenin_05d.jpg

I don't wanna sound gay or nuthin' but that picture makes me want to make sweet, sweet vanguardist love to Lenin. We have so much in common, as we both have the habit of squinting with one eye in photos!

In regards to the tendency wars that ruin revleft; I AM SO FUCKING SICK OF THIS SHIT. We are all anti-capitalists and share many of the same goals; if we cannot get over calling each other names, this movement really has no hope. Thankfully revleft is not an accurate representation of the movement.

Also I hope people don't group me with those people that the OP is talking about. I try to post on more varied topics than guerrilla warfare, ever since my attempt at the CC was thwarted in part by my focus on that topic and lack of attention to other areas of discussion. And I have been engaged in a flame war with uncle ho over his poor choice in tactics and lack of strategy etc.

[Spawn of Stalin]

Not representative of the movement? You have never been to Britain have you?

[ls]

Not representative of the movement? You have never been to Britain have you?

It's not representative of the movement of other countries, seriously though why WOULD it be representative of a lame little "great" isle with notmuch hope of achieving socialism (at the present)? :tt2:

[hugsandmarxism]

In regards to the tendency wars that ruin revleft; I AM SO FUCKING SICK OF THIS SHIT. We are all anti-capitalists and share many of the same goals; if we cannot get over calling each other names, this movement really has no hope. Thankfully revleft is not an accurate representation of the movement.

http://i920.photobucket.com/albums/ad50/hugsandmarxism/poster59949041.jpg?t=1260058124 (javascript:void(0);)

[Andropov]

God damn it, I give up. All I've tried to do in this thread in regards to our conversation is engage you about the topic of trolling on revleft in a respectful manner.
Indeed you have been civil with me and I respect that.
But what I dont appreciate is you distorting my arguement on the Pol Pot group as I do interpret that as childish trolling, hardly conducive to constructive debate.

You seem completely incable of understanding/wanting to hear what I actually said and contrive some other/opposite meaning to fit your warped view of me as a sectarian troll.Not at all.
I merely treated you like you treat some of our resident M-L's.
Hopefully it might give you a sense of perspective on the issue at hand.
I know your not a career trollish, tbh I was just throwing the cat among the pigeons to show you how easy it is to tar and feather someone as a troll even if 80% of their contributions were constructive.

I say I don't think all MLs are trolls, only a certain group; you say that I am calling all MLs trolls.No I didnt, thats not what I said at all.
By mentioning their supposed tendency as in M-L troll or Anarchist Troll etc it is a slur on the tendency as a whole when in reality they are not M-L nor do they have anything to do with Marxist-Leninism.

It is clear that this conversation will go nowhere and you seem not to even take a glancing look at my post;Just because I retorted alot of what you posted does not mean I did not read it or take it on board.

but rather by tendency bar and pre decide what I am going to say and mean.Thats not fair.
I individually addressed each of your points.

I am done trying to have a civil "discussion" with you.Im sorry you feel that way, I believe civil discussion is more of what this board needs and less petty bickering tbh.

I have better things to do with my time. Enjoy your "victory" and have a nice day.Will do.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

socialism iz serious business

[ellipsis]

Not representative of the movement? You have never been to Britain have you?
Yes, and I will never return because you can't openly buy mushrooms at tourist shops around hydepark, near queensway tube station iirc. I was in london when the greeks beat somebody in the european football championship. I watched the game enjoying the local mycological offerings chased with warm Mecca Cola (better than coke). I happened to be staying in a greek neighborhood and wandered out in a daze to join the festivities in the streets. The greeks didn't seem to have any problem with sectarianism that I saw.

[Il Medico]

Indeed you have been civil with me and I respect that. Thank you.


But what I dont appreciate is you distorting my arguement on the Pol Pot group as I do interpret that as childish trolling, hardly conducive to constructive debate.I apologize I was not trying to misrepresent what you said. (not that we should be talking about it here anyways). My initial reading of the thread your position came off as odd and I was left to ask "What the Hell is Rite-Boii on about?". This is why I initially questioned your motives for starting the thread. I've re-read though it and I think my first impression was wrong. You were just being a bit pedantic and bureaucratic about the whole thing, no harm in that.


Not at all.
I merely treated you like you treat some of our resident M-L's.
Hopefully it might give you a sense of perspective on the issue at hand.
I know your not a career trollish, tbh I was just throwing the cat among the pigeons to show you how easy it is to tar and feather someone as a troll even if 80% of their contributions were constructive. Thank the nonexistent deity, I thought you had gone off the deep end for a while there. :lol: I am glad you were just playing devils advocate. I try not to treat anyone here unfairly, but if I have been treating some people here like that, perhaps I have some stuff to work on.


No I didnt, thats not what I said at all.
By mentioning their supposed tendency as in M-L troll or Anarchist Troll etc it is a slur on the tendency as a whole when in reality they are not M-L nor do they have anything to do with Marxist-Leninism.I agree that what their tendency is has nothing to do with their trolling, but I can't choose what tendency they choose to present themselves as. Hell, Marsella claims to be a Left Com, so it isn't like trolling is a ML phenomena. There does seem to be a clique of trolls who claim to be ML and because they post a lot and make short trolling contributions people are more likely to notice them rather than read though a longer non-trolling contributions from other ML posters. This I think endears a far more negative image of ML posters among the boarder community here than what reality entails.



Im sorry you feel that way, I believe civil discussion is more of what this board needs and less petty bickering tbh.
I do too. I just felt this particular discussion had landed quite far way from that mark and seemed to be racing away even faster.

[GatesofLenin]

Funny how the country that whacks off to pictures of the Queen calls out others. Bugger off Queen Elizabeth lovin idiots!

[bailey_187]

Funny how the country that whacks off to pictures of the Queen calls out others. Bugger off Queen Elizabeth lovin idiots!

Wait. You're from Canada?

[ls]

Wait. You're from Canada?

Excellent irony ain't it?

Not that it wasn't a totally off-topic post tho, then again this is chitchat.

[NecroCommie]

Hugs: Would you have sex with me?

[Jazzratt]

Hugs: Would you have sex with me?

Wouldn't that be Necro[Commie]philia?









...I'll get my coat. :blushing:

[hugsandmarxism]

Hugs: Would you have sex with me?

Only if you play me like a guitar first.
http://www.hongfire.com/cg/data/14/holicguitarakiba.gif



Wouldn't that be Necro[Commie]philia?









...I'll get my coat. :blushing:
http://www.hongfire.com/cg/data/14/g496.gif

BAN FOR LAME JOKE!

[Tyrlop]

I really dont see the need to attack the M-L or Stalin label to a troll.
If a troll is a troll, then hes a troll irrelevant of what tendency he claims to represent.
So in answer to the original flaming question, the name you can refer to these trolls is...*drum roll*....TROLL.
http://knowyourmeme.com/i/8899/original/stalin.png

[Искра]

http://knowyourmeme.com/i/8899/original/stalin.png
Is this made in paint? :lol:
If it is you are really good :D

[Andropov]

http://knowyourmeme.com/i/8899/original/stalin.png
http://www.funnyforumpics.com/forums/bear/1/pedobear.jpg

[Dimentio]

The violence-worshippers are hardly stalinists. Rather, they are 14-year old machos.

[hugsandmarxism]

http://www.hongfire.com/cg/data/14/Oyeah_viv.gifhttp://www.hongfire.com/cg/data/14/Oyeah_viv.gifhttp://www.hongfire.com/cg/data/14/Oyeah_viv.gifhttp://www.hongfire.com/cg/data/14/Oyeah_viv.gif

[Os Cangaceiros]

In regards to the tendency wars that ruin revleft; I AM SO FUCKING SICK OF THIS SHIT. We are all anti-capitalists and share many of the same goals; if we cannot get over calling each other names, this movement really has no hope. Thankfully revleft is not an accurate representation of the movement.

Yes, because pointless sectarianism isn't characteristic of the international socialist movement at all. :rolleyes:

In some ways RevLeft is LESS sectarian...from what I've heard from people involved in politics in places like Spain and Mexico, anarchist groups don't even associate themselves with Leninists. At least here you're forced to re-examine your views, as they constantly come into conflict with opposing viewpoints.

[ellipsis]

In real life I have never heard people bickering abou which tendacy is filled with the most jerks. Revleft sectarian bickering is almost never about real ideological differences: it's more like "you idolize people with mustaches!" "go smash a bank window!"

[Искра]

In real life I have never heard people bickering abou which tendacy is filled with the most jerks. Revleft sectarian bickering is almost never about real ideological differences: it's more like "you idolize people with mustaches!" "go smash a bank window!"
Because you hang around with the kids who take revolutionary politics as game.

[RHIZOMES]

from what I've heard from people involved in politics in places like Spain and Mexico, anarchist groups don't even associate themselves with Leninists.

In New Zealand the left is so small not only do we associate with each other, but the main WP rival in Auckland is a group with both Trots and anarchists

[Andropov]

Because you hang around with the kids who take revolutionary politics as game.
Coming from our resident Troll.

[Os Cangaceiros]

In New Zealand the left is so small not only do we associate with each other, but the main WP rival in Auckland is a group with both Trots and anarchists

Anarcho-trots?

[RHIZOMES]

Anarcho-trots?

ACTUAL anarcho-trots.

http://socialistaotearoa.blogspot.com/2009/07/pre-conference-discussion-document-no1.html


Although the founding members came from an International Socialist tradition, we soon attracted supporters from syndicalist, ecosocialist and other anti capitalist ideologies. They really exist. Brought to you by the same country that had an official Communist Party go from Pro-Moscow to Pro-Mao to Pro-Hoxha to Pro-Tony Cliff (The last two in a span of 14 years), and a party (mine) where Maoists and Trotskyists get along just fine and dandy. Our isolation didn't just give us a unique forestry and wildlife.

[The Ungovernable Farce]

In New Zealand the left is so small not only do we associate with each other, but the main WP rival in Auckland is a group with both Trots and anarchists
At first I read WP as meaning White Power and got really confused.

[Искра]

Coming from our resident Troll.
Explain ;)

[RHIZOMES]

At first I read WP as meaning White Power and got really confused.

Nah, all the white supremacists live in Christchurch. :p

[Patchd]

Riite-Boii was correct at the beginning, take socialist/Lex Luther for example, an unfunny troll when he was supposedly an LC, a troll now he's supposedly an ML. There. Sorted. EOD.


Do you stop to think before you post? You really love your flames, don't you? Your infraction apparently didn't teach you not to flame.:lol:
^ Post #98, response to ls.


[Baby picture]
^ Post #99 (http://www.revleft.com/vb/showpost.php?p=1616549&postcount=99)

Way to prove a point trolling there ;) :lol::lol::lol:

[Honggweilo]

http://www.funnyforumpics.com/forums/bear/1/pedobear.jpg

http://www.masterandmargarita.eu/images/09context/stalinendochter.jpg

I like my women as i like my vodka, 14 years old

[Holden Caulfield]

^ was that painted by a child?

[ellipsis]

Because you hang around with the kids who take revolutionary politics as game.

Because pointless bickering is not characteristic of kids? And because you know my associations so well? Wow I never thought that I would be attacked for not associating with groups sectarian to the point of ineffectuality. Maybe I should just start arguing about interpretations of Marxism rather than getting anything done...

[Prairie Fire]

Psycho.

i was searching for an apt name to describe our current line of idiots joining up.


To the original poster, I agree. What revleft needs most at this time is a new way to insult new posters.:rolleyes:

Way to act like a provocateur, Psycho.


more "har har anti-imperialism, shoot cop, get guns, join the RIRA & hamas"


Okay, first of all, what is wrong with "anti-imperialism"? Even if you want to make a criticism that contemporary anti-imperialist struggles are often lead by nationalists and reactionaries, again how does that invalidate anti-imperialism as a principle?

As for Shooting cops and getting guns... it is adventuristic, yes, and even ultra-left to advocate such measures in imperialist countries at this time, but these measures are not outside of the scope of revolutionary left theory.

Ironically, these "pop a pig" sentiments are generally the domain of the non-Marxist/ "anti-authoritarian" left, but that is neither here nor there.

As for Hamas, I realize that this is a tricky topic, and no one can even voice anti-imperialist solidarity with the people of various middle eastern countries without being called an "Islamist", but again given the scope of actual left organizations that are taking stances on the subject, and the long history of the world revolutionary movement in relation to Middle Eastern resistance movements, even those of an Islamic persuasion, this political line is not outside of the realm of revolutionary left discussion either.

If you take issue with the impulsive adventurism, and the complete and utter contempt of these individuals for organization building and collective decision making, I might agree with you there, but you haven't made this your point of contention.

Instead, the problems that you have articulated with their political outlook are these:


yeah but the problem with refering to lenin or stalin is that this users dont seems to have anymore political substance than howeling (death to) IMPERIALIZZZTZ!!!

Well, then politicize them.

If you come from a non-Marxist persuasion, perhaps you think that social/political conciousness is spontaneous in individuals?

The seeds of conciousness arise from the conditions that people face, yes, but that conciousness needs to be refined.

Just as the anti-imperialist conciousness of Hamas needs to be refined (especially to include a class element), the anti-imperialist conciousness of many anti-imperialist forces, from liberal idealists to armed nationalists, needs to also be refined and politicized.

Being as these adventuristic individuals are invariably not members of any organization, except those that they have started themselves, they are never exposed to any higher politics, any organizational discipline, any analysis of the conditions of the times or rational tactics to place their adventurism in check.

Now, that said, the "death to imperialism" line is not technically wrong, it just needs to be elaborated on.

Furthermore, in the need to elaborate on the disagreements with these posters, some really enthocentric/euro-centric shit is coming up:

bcbm:

this thread is very clearly about the idiots who talk about guns and guerrillas and wishing they could go join some brown people with guns (how exotic!), not your average mustache worshiping tank groupie.

Well, I mean, their ambitions are in the right place. It is only their tactics that are lacking.

While this jab comes off as rolling their eyes at the percieved whiteness of the comrades in question, and their third world revolutionary fantasies, it also smacks of dissmissive disdain for the before mentioned revolutionary struggles of these "brown people".

Revolutionary solidarity is a key factor of any true internationalist, wether these comrades take it to impractical lengths or not.

The point of contention gets even more non-sensical when more explanations are made in the original post:

Psycho

in dutch we would call them ant-impies but it seems that over here genuine anti-imperialist take offence to that.

Okay, enlighten me: what is a "genuine" anti-imperialist?

One who is spontaneously enlightened enough (presumably through divine blessing,) to go off and focus on social experiments in the midst of a national liberation war, alienates other forces that are struggling against the same enemy, denounces all forces involved in the war equally (as though all combantants are equally to blame) and reject all faith and reactionary customs in spite of the dominant ideological superstructure of the culture in which they were raised?

A "real" anti-imperialist is one who parrots, often word-for-word, all second hand allegations against the insurgent forces in any country, but yet only voices the most token disatisfaction with the imperialist occupier itself?

A "real" anti-imperialist is one who is ideologically well versed in a revolutionary left orientation, and rejects all reactionary ideas and customs, right? Fuck all of those islamists, and their reactionary ideas! With our avant garde idealism firmly in the front seat, we can ignore the realities as they exist, like the fact that all of these "Islamists" fighters in Afghanistan come from a country where only 36% of the population is literate, let alone offered any sort of secular or progressive education (or any education in general).

Being un-educated in even the most basic science and brought up in a heavilly faith oriented society is no excuse for not embracing athiesm, towel head.


So, by this criteria, all of those un-washed fighters in Iraq/Palestine/Afghanistan/Lebanon/Somalia/Pahkistan don't qualify as "anti-imperialists", because despite, y'know, actually engaging in armed combat with an imperialist power, they are invalidated because many of them are (gasp) thiests! Others are (gasp) nationalists! Oh, the humynity!


Because genuine anti-imperialism = complete idealistic divorce from the actual conditions on the ground at the time.

Okay, in contrast, here is a good simple definition of "anti-imperialism":

An anti-imperialist is a persyn who rejects and/or fights against imperialism.

There. That's the minimum criteria.

Not all anti-imperialist forces are progressive, not all anti-imperialists are ideologically advanced, not all anti-imperialists are socialist (although their struggles are generally lead by socialists because, as Ken Loach said, "Every time a colony wants independence, the questions on the agenda are: a) how do you get the imperialists out, and b) what kind of society do you build? ...", so every anti-imperialist struggle not only brings into question the legitimacy of the imperialist superstructure, but also the looming question of what they will replace the imperialist forces with).

If you wished to criticize anti-imperialist groups and supporters on the basis of wether or no they were politically socialist, you may have more of a point, but in the context of resistance organizations in occupied countries today, I would say that this is counter-productive and objectively pro-imperialist, wether you are concious of this or not.

Back to the issue at hand, how are these individuals, as politically novice as they may be, not "genuine" anti-imperialists?


Anyways, this whole thing is really un-necesary. If you have a problem with the level of politics of these new people, then educate them.

Newsflash: Everyone who comes here, who has no prior experience with a revolutionary party, is juvenile and in need of political education in some sense of the word, myself included when I first came here.

As for other posts (don't have time to read and answer them all):

Lex Luther


Non liberals


Word. Wish that I could rep in chit-chat.

Mosfield:



Bawwww butthurt psycho http://www.revleft.com/vb/new-tankies-t123838/revleft/smilies2/crying.gifhttp://www.revleft.com/vb/new-tankies-t123838/revleft/smilies2/crying.gifhttp://www.revleft.com/vb/new-tankies-t123838/revleft/smilies2/crying.gif


Careful, mosfield. No need to resort to reactionary homophobic expressions to drive your point home.

Dimentio

Testosteronistas?

The fascination with anti-imperialist armed struggle is not necesarrilly a male trait.

May I remind you of the participation of womyn in generally ever revolutionary movement in every country? In the USSR, in Albania, in Vietnam, Peru,Nepal,Colombia, India, Palestine,El Salvador, Sri Lanka... womyn armed combatants have not been unheard of, in fact they often make up a substantial part of the armed forces on the ground.

Such a label itself, while it is meant perhaps to strike at the heart of the machismo associated with the armed struggle aspect of Marxism-Leninism, is itself sexist because it is applying current gender roles to revolutionary combat situations,even when the historical accounts of past and present revolutionary conflicts invalidate this stereotype with accounts of armed female participation.

Wanted Man


They're called twats, douchebags, etc.

Careful...

"twat" and it's variants, despite common usage in regional dialects, is un-called for from those who style themselves the advanced elements of the working class.

Comrade B

Seems a bit of a mean spirited thread, we should make our goal to sway these people to a reasonable ideology, not shit talk.

Agreed.

Motionless:

Middle-class pseudo-fascist geeks.

While you are correct that the petty-bourgeoisie (not "middle class", as you put it) generally vacillates between an adventuristic impulsiveness and a revolution defeatism in favour of reformism, that doesn't necesarrilly make an anti-imperialist position a characteristic of the petty bourgeois class, nor does it make it any less principled.

Also, since when is advocasting anti-imperialism "fascist"? With the exception of this or that bizzare "Third positionist", what major fascist organization really advocates anti-imperialism and the right to self determination?

RedManatee:

http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/9/16/128660498159844805.jpg

Word.

bcbm

why are all the stalinists so keen to defend our crop of guerrilla fantasy role-players?


It partially has to do with the implications that Glen talked about (the first post in this thread was very clear in likening these new adventuristic nationalists to "Tankies", who are generally characterized by their fondness for the historical persona of J.V. stalin), but there is more to it than that.

The "Stalinists" are also, in accordance with Marxist-Leninist theory, anti-imperialists. So, while we generally may disagree with the tactical approach of these Foco-theory advocates, we still agree with them on the general line that imperialism is a menace that needs to be stopped by any means necesary. We also uphold the right of all nations to self determination of their own affairs, just as these adventuristic comrades do (albiet, in an undeveloped way).

In addition to all of those reasons, there is also just the liberal snobbery of it too. Long ago I accepted that people who come here are not going to be the ideological "cream of the crop", but are generally those looking for answers to their questions, and looking for a means to solve their problems. Spitting on them for being ideologically erroneous is not only un-productive, but counter-productive as well.

While we could be extending knowledge to to the genuine curiosity of these people, instead we extend to them a dunce cap, and make up witty labels for them that are both insulting and hilarious.

Smooth.

I disagree tactically with these adventuristic comrades, but I also disagree tactically with the up-turned nose policy of revleft towards them. If they are wrong correct them, if they are ignorant educate them. Even the most misguided attempts to educate them (sometimes threads in "learning" seem to me like the blind leading the blind,) will still be infinately more productive then inventing a new label to dismiss them with, and share a smug snicker among the avant garde advocates of social-prolecratic anti-authortrian councilist federations of technocracy, or whatever you are calling yourselves this week.

[The Ungovernable Farce]

itt: world's most boring circle jerk
Now with added Hoxhaist Union!

[bcbm]

Well, I mean, their ambitions are in the right place. It is only their tactics that are lacking.

wanting to be a guerrilla is the right ambition?


While this jab comes off as rolling their eyes at the percieved whiteness of the comrades in question, and their third world revolutionary fantasies, it also smacks of dissmissive disdain for the before mentioned revolutionary struggles of these "brown people".

how is pointing out that first worlders are exoticizing the struggles of third world people in any way dismissive towards those struggles?

[Искра]

Because pointless bickering is not characteristic of kids? And because you know my associations so well? Wow I never thought that I would be attacked for not associating with groups sectarian to the point of ineffectuality. Maybe I should just start arguing about interpretations of Marxism rather than getting anything done...
To kids most amusing stuff is to go like this:

Person A: "Marxsism-Leninism is the best and the rest of you are utopian shit"
Person B: "You bloody ML twats, you muder Leon"
Person A: "He was a revisionist prick"
Person B: "Bollocks you tankie"
Person C: "You all suck"
Person A & B: "Go brake a window"
Person D: "I just downloaded CS: Condition zero"
Person A, B & C: "Yay"

[RHIZOMES]

To kids most amusing stuff is to go like this:

Person A: "Marxsism-Leninism is the best and the rest of you are utopian shit"
Person B: "You bloody ML twats, you muder Leon"
Person A: "He was a revisionist prick"
Person B: "Bollocks you tankie"
Person C: "You all suck"
Person A & B: "Go brake a window"
Person D: "I just downloaded CS: Condition zero"
Person A, B & C: "Yay"

:lol:

[Искра]

Oh and I forgot person E which will be some one like Prairie Fire.
That person will write 4 A4 pages of serious post in chit-chat.

My comment on that: it's not worth of it. Chit chat is a "gnome garden".

http://whybenormal.today.com/files/2008/12/mooninggnome.jpg

[Bright Banana Beard]

Oh and I forgot person E which will be some one like Prairie Fire.
That person will write 4 A4 pages of serious post in chit-chat.

My comment on that: it's not worth of it. Chit chat is a "gnome garden".

http://whybenormal.today.com/files/2008/12/mooninggnome.jpg
aka avoiding her aka deserting her strategy, good thing for you at least.

[ellipsis]

Person D: "I just downloaded CS: Condition zero"
Person A, B & C: "Yay"

TBH, I have no fucking clue what you are talking about. This probably means that you are younger than me and play more videogames and talk about video games online. Oh counter strike maybe. God I hate being in my early twenties and feeling like a clueless old man.

[Honggweilo]

wall of text in chit-chat killed my lulz

[The Ungovernable Farce]

wall of text in chit-chat killed my lulz
Is that by the Buggles?

[hugsandmarxism]

I disagree tactically with these adventuristic comrades, but I also disagree tactically with the up-turned nose policy of revleft towards them. If they are wrong correct them, if they are ignorant educate them. Even the most misguided attempts to educate them (sometimes threads in "learning" seem to me like the blind leading the blind,) will still be infinately more productive then inventing a new label to dismiss them with, and share a smug snicker among the avant garde advocates of social-prolecratic anti-authortrian councilist federations of technocracy, or whatever you are calling yourselves this week.

Word.

[Holden Caulfield]

motion to ban PF from chit chat?

[hugsandmarxism]

motion to ban PF from chit chat?

Which do you prefer, large blocks of text to kill silly threads or my anime gif flak cannon?

http://www.hongfire.com/cg/data/14/Pirorin_-_5.gif

http://www.hongfire.com/cg/data/14/Mouse_Whacking.gifhttp://www.hongfire.com/cg/data/14/Dancing_Reimu_by_IOSYS_OS.gifhttp://www.hongfire.com/cg/data/14/Ren%20Dancing.gif

[bcbm]

h8 u hugs

[hugsandmarxism]

h8 u hugs

You... you don't really mean that, do you? :crying:

http://www.hongfire.com/cg/data/14/20040210-1654-697.gif

[bcbm]

well, when you make that face...



yes.;)

[The Ungovernable Farce]

motion to ban hugs from chitchat?

[Sasha]

motion to ban anime and lolcats from chitchat? (facepalms can stay, we need those)

[bcbm]

seconded

[Pirate Utopian]

Thirded.

[Pirate Utopian]

motion to ban PF from chit chat?
I support this motion as well.

[Искра]

I'm anarchist. I don't support anything.
I'm braking the windows.

[Искра]

aka avoiding her aka deserting her strategy, good thing for you at least.
I'm not avoiding here, but I would give her serious comment if this was Learning or Politics. I agree with a lot of the things she wrote.


TBH, I have no fucking clue what you are talking about. This probably means that you are younger than me and play more videogames and talk about video games online. Oh counter strike maybe. God I hate being in my early twenties and feeling like a clueless old man.
If you claim that people in their early 20's are "old" or that they have "grown up" you are really, really - clueless. :D

That stuff with video games was parody.

[hugsandmarxism]

motion to ban anime and lolcats from chitchat? (facepalms can stay, we need those)
http://www.hongfire.com/cg/data/14/1065471485849.gifhttp://www.hongfire.com/cg/data/14/1068438809784.gif

Just for you. ;)

[Pirate Utopian]

I think anime should be infraction-worthy.

[Sasha]

http://www.hongfire.com/cg/data/14/1065471485849.gifhttp://www.hongfire.com/cg/data/14/1068438809784.gif

Just for you. ;)

just for you:
http://i47.tinypic.com/abjxfn.jpg

(nsfw tbw, thanx to deconditioned reflex :lol: )

[Искра]

just for you:
http://i47.tinypic.com/abjxfn.jpg

(nsfw tbw, thanx to deconditioned reflex :lol: )

You are fucking sick :D

[ellipsis]

If you claim that people in their early 20's are "old" or that they have "grown up" you are really, really - clueless. :D

That stuff with video games was parody.

Well I claimed neither. I said that I felt old and never claimed to have grown up. I am not clueless, I post on an internet board filled with highschoolers and anime freaks, which I say in only the most endearing of ways. So yah when people are like "I hate fucking high school" or "how do I get a girl to like me?" yah I feel kinda old.

The video game stuff may have been parody, but you must have knowledge of something before you can parody it.

[hugsandmarxism]

http://www.hongfire.com/cg/data/14/Vocaloid_-_Miku_Overload.gifhttp://www.hongfire.com/cg/data/14/Vocaloid_-_Miku_Overload.gif

[ellipsis]

Did somebody dose me? I am tripping out.

[Raúl Duke]

http://www.hongfire.com/cg/data/14/Vocaloid_-_Miku_Overload.gifhttp://www.hongfire.com/cg/data/14/Vocaloid_-_Miku_Overload.gif


Did somebody dose me? I am tripping out.

:cool:

I imagine the picture would look interesting under the effects of certain psychedelics.

[hugsandmarxism]

:cool:

I imagine the picture would look interesting under the effects of certain psychedelics.

Hehehehe~

I'm sure I could find worse things to view while under the influence of certain substances. But, I'll spare y'all for the moment ;)

[Искра]

Well I claimed neither. I said that I felt old and never claimed to have grown up. I am not clueless, I post on an internet board filled with highschoolers and anime freaks, which I say in only the most endearing of ways. So yah when people are like "I hate fucking high school" or "how do I get a girl to like me?" yah I feel kinda old.

The video game stuff may have been parody, but you must have knowledge of something before you can parody it.

I'm not playing video games (because I get bored with them) but I used too few years ago. What's wrong with that?
I used is as a parody on the end of parody discussion. :rolleyes:

[Sasha]

You are fucking sick :D

i'm sick? deconditioned reflex is sick you mean.
i just said in an discussion in the CC (yeah, i know, ban for diclosing sensitive information from the CC etc etc :laugh:) where i got acussed of trolling that if i was truly trolling i would post an photoshop of durriti taking a shit on the corps of stalin.
after wich DR did, and got warned for it.... :lol:

[hugsandmarxism]

i'm sick? deconditioned reflex is sick you mean.
i just said in an discussion in the CC (yeah, i know, ban for diclosing sensitive information from the CC etc etc :laugh:) where i got acussed of trolling that if i was truly trolling i would post an photoshop of durriti taking a shit on the corps of stalin.
after wich DR did, and got warned for it.... :lol:

Ban for letting people in on the inner workings of the secretive CC cult! :lol:

[bcbm]

:cool:

I imagine the picture would look interesting under the effects of certain psychedelics.

if by interesting you mean mind-numbingly terrifying.

[Tyrlop]

motion to ban anime and lolcats from chitchat? (facepalms can stay, we need those)
NO WAY

I'm anarchist. I don't support anything.
I'm braking the windows.
http://cdn2.knowyourmeme.com/i/6900/original/Stalin.PNG
I suggest cleaning this forum up from the old squad of anarkids.
EEEEEH.

[bcbm]

http://i639.photobucket.com/albums/uu111/tristansposse/soymilk.jpg

[revolution inaction]

when see hugs's "cute" gifs i want to do this

http://www.picvault.info/images/49461_mentor.gif

even when its a anime i like, theres just something so irritating about them

[hugsandmarxism]

when see hugs's "cute" gifs i want to do this

http://www.picvault.info/images/49461_mentor.gif

even when its a anime i like, theres just something so irritating about them

I feel like doing this whenever I get haters going on about how horrible anime is

http://www.hongfire.com/cg/data/14/g380.gif

though, dropping somthing like this is more painful to your kind:

http://www.hongfire.com/cg/data/14/medium/8edd7815d00533ab453f23eafee4a46f.gif (http://www.hongfire.com/cg/data/14/8edd7815d00533ab453f23eafee4a46f.gif)http://www.hongfire.com/cg/data/14/medium/8edd7815d00533ab453f23eafee4a46f.gif (http://www.hongfire.com/cg/data/14/8edd7815d00533ab453f23eafee4a46f.gif)http://www.hongfire.com/cg/data/14/medium/8edd7815d00533ab453f23eafee4a46f.gif (http://www.hongfire.com/cg/data/14/8edd7815d00533ab453f23eafee4a46f.gif)

so I gladly post them :tt2:

[Jazzratt]

In honesty I think the ultra-violent anime crap is worse, in a way. The over the top nature does have its charms but shorn of context it's just another "shocking" image of the kind of "lol kewl violence" that so fascinates a certain type of macho cock. It's like those posting them feel that the only way to prove they're the biggest gorilla in the troop is to post the most meaninglessly violent bollocks.

I'm not saying that the sacchrine fuckwittery that hugs posts should be given a free pass, some of it is actually quite irritating but at least it can evoke some kind of reaction. Looking at the "look at how hard my cock is" type images is just boring at least every so often one of hugs' images makes me dAWWW.

You can take your shite like this:
http://www.picvault.info/images/49461_mentor.gifhttp://www.hongfire.com/cg/data/14/g380.gif
and shove it up your arse.

I suppose technically this makes the above statement about which is more painful to the anti-anime "kind" invalid.

[hugsandmarxism]

Yeah, anime gore stuff is lame. I prefer the cute stuff. Makes me smile :)

[Raúl Duke]

if by interesting you mean mind-numbingly terrifying.

it could be bcbm...I don't know for sure unless I drop some acid and stared at it for a while then I'll figure it out.

[ellipsis]

R u sure that ur not a girl, hugs?

[Jazzratt]

R u sure that ur not a gir, hugs?l

I hope that was a joke. Nothing pisses me off more than the idiot assumption that liking cute, sweet or pretty things makes you less of a man. As if the mere act of realising that it's a pleasant experience to look at things which are nice will make your dick fall off. It's all part of the overarching assumption that most expressed emotions are unmanly and as such it can fuck off.

[ellipsis]

I agree with you. It was a joke. I had assumed/wondered(via visitor
message) that hugs was a Girl because he always post pictures of female anime characters and uses them for his avatar.

[hugsandmarxism]

I hope that was a joke. Nothing pisses me off more than the idiot assumption that liking cute, sweet or pretty things makes you less of a man. As if the mere act of realising that it's a pleasant experience to look at things which are nice will make your dick fall off. It's all part of the overarching assumption that most expressed emotions are unmanly and as such it can fuck off.

Indeed :)

[revolution inaction]

I feel like doing this whenever I get haters going on about how horrible anime is

http://www.hongfire.com/cg/data/14/g380.gif

though, dropping somthing like this is more painful to your kind:

http://www.hongfire.com/cg/data/14/medium/8edd7815d00533ab453f23eafee4a46f.gif (http://www.hongfire.com/cg/data/14/8edd7815d00533ab453f23eafee4a46f.gif)http://www.hongfire.com/cg/data/14/medium/8edd7815d00533ab453f23eafee4a46f.gif (http://www.hongfire.com/cg/data/14/8edd7815d00533ab453f23eafee4a46f.gif)http://www.hongfire.com/cg/data/14/medium/8edd7815d00533ab453f23eafee4a46f.gif (http://www.hongfire.com/cg/data/14/8edd7815d00533ab453f23eafee4a46f.gif)

so I gladly post them :tt2:

are you saying that you think i hate anime? fucking idiot

[hugsandmarxism]

are you saying that you think i hate anime? fucking idiot

Oh I didn't assume you hate anime (you did mention anime you like, meaning that you do like some anime) I was referring to your "kind" as being one of those in-and-out goth weaboos who bash people like me who like our moe fix now and again. My anime preference ranges from the ultra-violent (Elfen Lied, Hellsing, etc.) to extreme cuteness (Card Captor Sakura, Kanon, Lucky Star, etc) and just about everything in between. It's just that the moe stuff more adequately offends the haters, as well as people who like to keep the cute and happy far removed from their anime experience. I can understand how it might have sounded like I was lumping you in with the blanket anime haters, and I apologize for not being clear ;)

[Os Cangaceiros]

In honesty I think the ultra-violent anime crap is worse, in a way. The over the top nature does have its charms but shorn of context it's just another "shocking" image of the kind of "lol kewl violence" that so fascinates a certain type of macho cock. It's like those posting them feel that the only way to prove they're the biggest gorilla in the troop is to post the most meaninglessly violent bollocks.



I think you might be inferring a little too much.

[revolution inaction]

Oh I didn't assume you hate anime (you did mention anime you like, meaning that you do like some anime) I was referring to your "kind" as being one of those in-and-out goth weaboos who bash people like me who like our moe fix now and again. My anime preference ranges from the ultra-violent (Elfen Lied, Hellsing, etc.) to extreme cuteness (Card Captor Sakura, Kanon, Lucky Star, etc) and just about everything in between. It's just that the moe stuff more adequately offends the haters, as well as people who like to keep the cute and happy far removed from their anime experience. I can understand how it might have sounded like I was lumping you in with the blanket anime haters, and I apologize for not being clear ;)

I like a range of diffrent anime to, maybe not the ultra cute stuff, but i like stuff like azumanga daioh, K-ON! etc as well as things like Lain, Welcome to the NHK, studio gibli films, the really violent stuff is only small part of it.
It's just that it gets annoying when i've seen the same kind gif looping through there cute dance or what ever about 400 times.
You think i'm a goth and weaboo? :lol:

[ellipsis]

weaboo? moe? I wish I was cool enough to get what is going on...

Also in reference to earlier concerns about me hating on cute lovers/saying that they aren't manly: earlier in the thread I talked about making love to a lenin sans facial hair because he looked so cute. Also you should hear me dote over my pug. ("OMG he has a bourgeois dog!")

[hugsandmarxism]

I like a range of diffrent anime to, maybe not the ultra cute stuff, but i like stuff like azumanga daioh, K-ON! etc as well as things like Lain, Welcome to the NHK, studio gibli films, the really violent stuff is only small part of it. It's just that it gets annoying when i've seen the same kind gif looping through there cute dance or what ever about 400 times.

Azumanga Diaoh and K-ON! are two big favorites of mine :) I understand your sentiments though.


You think i'm a goth and weaboo? :lol:

Hey, they do exist. Just ask Andrei Kuzetsov :lol:


weaboo? moe? I wish I was cool enough to get what is going on...

Actually, you are more cool for not knowing, according to most people here :laugh:


Also in reference to earlier concerns about me hating on cute lovers/saying that they aren't manly: earlier in the thread I talked about making love to a lenin sans facial hair because he looked so cute. Also you should hear me dote over my pug. ("OMG he has a bourgeois dog!")

:lol:

[ellipsis]

Ready for my first lolcat/dog I have ever posted, IN MY ENTIRE LIFE(which is very empty without lolcats)?
http://www.pugs.nl/images/pug0407.jpg

[Andropov]

I actually never realised so many people liked that Anime stuff.
The closest thing I ever got to it was when I used to watch Pokemon as a sprog.

[The Ungovernable Farce]

You think i'm a goth and weaboo? :lol:
At the last AF conference he proposed we should change our name to Weeaboo Federation. And he always fills the internal bulletin with pictures from Pompoko and Totoro. :(

[bailey_187]

I actually never realised so many people liked that Anime stuff.
The closest thing I ever got to it was when I used to watch Pokemon as a sprog.

No one does in real life.

Only ever seen people talk about this anime rubbish on forums.

[hugsandmarxism]

No one does in real life.

Only ever seen people talk about this anime rubbish on forums.

Never been to an anime convention, I take it? :lol:

[bailey_187]

Never been to an anime convention, I take it? :lol:

lol i havent and thank god for that

[hugsandmarxism]

lol i havent and thank god for that

Yes, there are few places more horrifying than a con. I can hardly stand the things, to be perfectly honest :lol: But, someone is always dragging me along.... It's when I stand among gaggles of cos-players, who munch on pocky, buy overpriced merchandise, lament about not being in japan and otherwise acting like complete tools, that I realize that I am far more communist than I am anime geek. :sleep: