A.R.Amistad thinks Black Metal is da shit

[A.R.Amistad]

Scandinavia and Europe are really pioneering the Heavy Metal (Death, Melodeath, Power, Prog, Doom, Thrash, Folk) scene to extremely new heights that really are ground shattering. But for every musical movement, there is a certain part of it that holds it down artistically. I am referring to the Black Metal scene. I actually hate that I have to say this because I love all Metal and I don't like to make blanket statements about genres of music. But it has to be done. M problem with Black Metal is not the music itself. The instrumentals are generally very good according to the talent of the band, and the vocals are eclectic. But BM has become one of those musical genres that makes the fatal mistake of attaching itself to an ideology. The basis of BM ideology is anti-Christianity and anti-Establishment. Sounds fine at first, especially to your average leftist, but when you compare BM to Melodic Death Metal or Folk Metal, the results are emberassing for BM. While all of the other subgenres of Metal have evolved from the Pantera days of mindlessness and become more intelligent, aware and subsequently more interesting in their approach to certain themes, whether it be viking history or the way of war, the poetry of the reborn Metal scene is more intelligent. BM, on the other hand, is simply reinforcing the cliches that surround Metal music and prevent it from being recognised by the general society as true culture. I am not demanding popularity for Metal, but the Metal of today deserves respect and recognition from people outside of the scene. The majority of BM still dabbles in fake Satan worshipping, especially centered around the late "Hollywood" Satanic leader Anton LeVey. Their criticisms of Christianity, religion, authoritarianism, morality, etc. have potential to be insightful, but are nothing more than adolescent angst. I am also horrified to know that a growing "National Socialist Black Metal" scene is growing, showing the ignorance of the artists (Nazism actually supports Christianity for ex.) and the unforgivable tolerance the BM music scene has for fascist Nazis in with the NSBM scene. Metal music, while largely underground, has refined itself above the days of Poison and Twisted Sister and elevated itself to the talent of artists like Amon Amarth, Iced Earth, Dark Tranquility, Korpiklaani, etc. The only thing keeping this art from being recognized is the immature, bad apple of BM.

[Sasha]

that thread title made me laugh...

[bcbm]

refined itself above the days of Poison and Twisted Sister

while i love poison, i'll grant there isn't much ground to defend them from. but why insult twisted sister? a lot of their work has solid political content, and they were on the front lines of the fight against censorship by the pmrc in the 80's.

[Invincible Summer]

Pantera was hardly "mindlessness..."

[Dimentio]

Scandinavia and Europe are really pioneering the Heavy Metal (Death, Melodeath, Power, Prog, Doom, Thrash, Folk) scene to extremely new heights that really are ground shattering. But for every musical movement, there is a certain part of it that holds it down artistically. I am referring to the Black Metal scene. I actually hate that I have to say this because I love all Metal and I don't like to make blanket statements about genres of music. But it has to be done. M problem with Black Metal is not the music itself. The instrumentals are generally very good according to the talent of the band, and the vocals are eclectic. But BM has become one of those musical genres that makes the fatal mistake of attaching itself to an ideology. The basis of BM ideology is anti-Christianity and anti-Establishment. Sounds fine at first, especially to your average leftist, but when you compare BM to Melodic Death Metal or Folk Metal, the results are emberassing for BM. While all of the other subgenres of Metal have evolved from the Pantera days of mindlessness and become more intelligent, aware and subsequently more interesting in their approach to certain themes, whether it be viking history or the way of war, the poetry of the reborn Metal scene is more intelligent. BM, on the other hand, is simply reinforcing the cliches that surround Metal music and prevent it from being recognised by the general society as true culture. I am not demanding popularity for Metal, but the Metal of today deserves respect and recognition from people outside of the scene. The majority of BM still dabbles in fake Satan worshipping, especially centered around the late "Hollywood" Satanic leader Anton LeVey. Their criticisms of Christianity, religion, authoritarianism, morality, etc. have potential to be insightful, but are nothing more than adolescent angst. I am also horrified to know that a growing "National Socialist Black Metal" scene is growing, showing the ignorance of the artists (Nazism actually supports Christianity for ex.) and the unforgivable tolerance the BM music scene has for fascist Nazis in with the NSBM scene. Metal music, while largely underground, has refined itself above the days of Poison and Twisted Sister and elevated itself to the talent of artists like Amon Amarth, Iced Earth, Dark Tranquility, Korpiklaani, etc. The only thing keeping this art from being recognized is the immature, bad apple of BM.

There are actually some BM bands with interesting and mature lyrics in some songs, like for example Borknagar.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L75EgBXWfuU

[Das war einmal]

Infantile? I have to disagree, as much as I hate NSBM and dislike the most BM, its no more infantile than say, Dragonforce. Besides Metal is recognised as a cultural force. Take Metallica for example

[Dimentio]

Infantile? I have to disagree, as much as I hate NSBM and dislike the most BM, its no more infantile than say, Dragonforce. Besides Metal is recognised as a cultural force. Take Metallica for example

The most infantile genre of Metal is probably Power Metal. I mean, just look at this. :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH06EPn2D8w

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

all metal is an infantile disorder innit

[A.R.Amistad]

The most infantile genre of Metal is probably Power Metal. I mean, just look at this. http://www.revleft.com/vb/../revleft/smilies2/laugh.gif

What about Iced Earth?

[Invincible Summer]

What about Iced Earth?

Manowar is hardly power metal... just... lame metal.


Iced Earth are fucking excellent, even if Schaeffer is a diehard patriot.



But Emperor is hardly infantile BM:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOmwRO3EAC0

[bcbm]

relevant (http://r-a-b-m.blogspot.com/)

[ls]

Twisted Sister are absolute and utter lame washed out tripe.

[gorillafuck]

Mayhem is cool every once in a while.

[bcbm]

Twisted Sister are absolute and utter lame washed out tripe.

i mean, they're no w.a.s.p. but...

[Os Cangaceiros]

Black metal seems to be more and more the domain of hipster scum who are desperate to find the newest in retro kitsche to latch unto. And insufferable music snobs.

Luckily I don't think that either the hipsters or snob intelligentsia appreciate Slayer's Reign in Blood, which is my favorite metal album. That and Motorhead's The Ace of Spades.

[bcbm]

Luckily I don't think that either the hipsters . . . appreciate Slayer's Reign in Blood, which is my favorite metal album. That and Motorhead's The Ace of Spades.

i hate to burst your bubble, bro, but... i like those albums.

[ZeroNowhere]

Luckily I don't think that either the hipsters or snob intelligentsia appreciate Slayer's Reign in Blood, which is my favorite metal album.This could be because they've listened to good thrash metal. Just sayin'.


Black Metal: An Infintile DisorderNegura Bunget disagrees.

The most infantile genre of Metal is probably Power Metal. I mean, just look at this. http://www.revleft.com/vb/../../revleft/smilies2/laugh.gifEuropean power metal, perhaps, given how many bands take it upon themselves to emulate those shitty Keepers albums, including their sense, or rather lack, of humour. USPM? Feel the nails in my baseball bat!

Or, if you would prefer...

Omen bird soars the desert land to the castle
Of idolence, there lies the shadow of a man.
You see the colored flowers and marble towers
They fade to brown
Like the unknown, inscribed in stone
He's abandoned, abandoned flesh and bones
He's lost in silence, swallowed in vastness
Drowned in the depths of a meaningless
Past.


Metal music, while largely underground, has refined itself above the days of Poison and Twisted Sister and elevated itself to the talent of artists like Amon Amarth, Iced Earth, Dark Tranquility, Korpiklaani, etc.Indeed, now all we have to do is learn to write good riffs!

[Dimentio]

Black metal seems to be more and more the domain of hipster scum who are desperate to find the newest in retro kitsche to latch unto. And insufferable music snobs.

Luckily I don't think that either the hipsters or snob intelligentsia appreciate Slayer's Reign in Blood, which is my favorite metal album. That and Motorhead's The Ace of Spades.

My impression of those who are listening to Black Metal is that they more or less are emos who like to mixture immature angst (satanism, nazism, Pentti Linkola-worship, social darwinism) with pseudo-philosophy (dark poems, Nietzsche, Platon, Savitri Devi, neopaganism).

Moreover, they actually value the bands after how bad they are. For example Dimmu Borgir are not "tr00" because they became popular and started to buy instruments which actually sounded good.

[ZeroNowhere]

No, they are bad because they play bad music. And no, most black metal fans actually think that Zarach Baal Tharagh is shite, so your impression does not seem much to make a generalization on.

[The Ungovernable Farce]

If you're gonna call something infantile, it helps to be able to spell it (unless you meant an infinite disorder?) Anyway, metal's not really my cup of tea, but I'd always seen BM as being one of the most avant-garde and experimental sub-genres (of course, always bearing in mind that the whole thing's pretty silly). Deathspell Omega, Funeral Mist, etc.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

metal

http://static.rateyourmusic.com/lk/l/w/c094943498dfdf396397ea121611d6b1/830959.jpg

an infantile disorder

[Invincible Summer]

AFAIK hipsters aren't into BM as much as drone/doom like Sunn0))) and other shitty bands that make me want to sleep (Sleep coincidentally being another one of such bands)

[A.R.Amistad]

AFAIK hipsters aren't into BM as much as drone/doom like Sunn0))) and other shitty bands that make me want to sleep (Sleep coincidentally being another one of such bands)
Don't forget the worst of them all.....Dream Theater :bored:


metal

http://static.rateyourmusic.com/lk/l/w/c094943498dfdf396397ea121611d6b1/830959.jpg

an infantile disorder

You see, this is exactly the bad rep that metal is getting because of this kind of shit, buts its not really representative of metal. By the looks of this, these are fans of the Gwar caliber. Try going to an Insomnium concert its not a thing like this....

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

The face paint and silly costumes are just the icing on the cake that is their shit music

[Invincible Summer]

metal

http://static.rateyourmusic.com/lk/l/w/c094943498dfdf396397ea121611d6b1/830959.jpg

an infantile disorder




You see, this is exactly the bad rep that metal is getting because of this kind of shit, buts its not really representative of metal. By the looks of this, these are fans of the Gwar caliber. Try going to an Insomnium concert its not a thing like this....


I forgot that band's name, but it's supposed to be a parody of black metal

[The Ben G]

1st wave Black Metal: Undeniably awesome.

2nd wave Black Metal:WTF!??!!?!?! What is he saying?!? Is that Bass even plugged in?!?!?! Is the Guitarist Drunk or something??!?!

[Andrei Kuznetsov]

Is it okay to like black metal for the camp factor? Or just to piss off my Anarchist punk friends?

Although honestly the new Immortal album is pretty fuckin' evil.

[Decommissioner]

While I partially agree with OP, I must say that this doesn't have to be the case. Just look at Wolves in the Throne Room or Lurker of Chalice. Neither of these bands are so satanic that it's silly, and both are quite progressive and expand the genre to new heights.

I would say personally, that I find genres like folk metal to be wholly infantile, almost gimmicky (and I do like some of it myself). But a lot of metal suffers from this, especially from europe. It's a matter of taste, but I personally prefer bands that are more ideologically grounded (I can't stomach the fantasy stuff as much as I used to) and more influenced by punk ethics and hardcore stylings (as opposed to say, a band that likes to show off its technical prowess as you'll find in power metal and prog) while still remaining on the whole metal. Wolves in the Throne Room is a good example of a black metal band that is removed from the typical "rockstar" mentality a lot of metal bands seem to be ensnared in, and instead have a more DIY approach to their music and the way they live, which I can relate to and respect.

I saw Marduk recently, which I was excited for, and I must say after years of following DIY crust punk, hardcore and indie bands seeing marduk just left a bad taste in my mouth. The music was just as I remembered, but the reality of them being rockstars was apparent (instances like having the roadies pick up the mic stand when the singer knocks it over, come on man what is that shit?)

[bcbm]

The bald, beefy moderator, Niall Scott of the University of Central Lancashire, approached the podium in darkness. “It is my revolting pleasure,” he susurrated, pulling on his long goatee, “to introduce Professor Erik Butler, who will present his paper ‘The Counter-Reformation in Stone and Metal: Spiritual Substances.’ ”

And Mr. Butler, an assistant professor of German studies at Emory University (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/e/emory_university/index.html?inline=nyt-org), talked about black-metal music — in its second-wave, largely Norwegian form — as a cryptic expression of Roman Catholicism. He started with the 16th-century Council of Trent and the early modern church. He quoted lyrics from the face-painted, early-1990s Norwegian black-metal bands Gorgoroth and Immortal; he framed black metal as respecting some of rock’s orthodoxies, as opposed to the heresies of disco and punk; and he spoke of black metal’s preoccupation with “the abiding and transcendent: stone, mountain, moon.”

thank you, professor, that was putrid (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/15/arts/music/15metal.html?_r=2&hp)

[Meridian]

AFAIK hipsters aren't into BM as much as drone/doom like Sunn0))) and other shitty bands that make me want to sleep (Sleep coincidentally being another one of such bands)
Most BM is pretty bad or outright corny, drone/doom is not. And Sleep is a good band, so is Sunn O))), they create an awesome atmosphere live. They aren't my favorite bands but I would never call them shit. Listen to Neurosis and I hope you won't call that shit, if you do you should purge yourself from this world.

[Decommissioner]

Most BM is pretty bad or outright corny, drone/doom is not. And Sleep is a good band, so is Sunn O))), they create an awesome atmosphere live. They aren't my favorite bands but I would never call them shit. Listen to Neurosis and I hope you won't call that shit, if you do you should purge yourself from this world.

agreed. Neurosis is one of a kind, one of those bands that paints a universe full of imagery and scenarios in your mind with their soundscapes. Images of endless deserts, exploding stars, the oppressive sun on the backs of an enslaved mankind. There is just something special about neurosis. I can't listen to Through Silver and Blood or Times of Grace without getting goosebumps, their music is just so imposing and colossal.

While some black metal is corny, some of it is also extremely intricate, emotional and intense. Only instead of being incomprehensibly epic in scope such as bands like neurosis, their intensity is derived more from a scaled down, melancholic, seething sort of sound and feel. Black metal like this is true art, as there are few forms of music that can craft such depressing, raw and vile sounds.

As far as hipsters are concerned, I see them dabble in both, but neither in a wholly serious way but only in an "ironic" way. They namedrop black metal with a smirk in the same way they would dragonforce. I've seen some that genuinely like some doom, but personally I wouldn't consider those types hipsters, only some consider them so because they like to discredit a lot of young people with a certain "look" in one broad stroke (much in the same way someone who doesn't listen to music with yelling and screaming will lump together and discredit ALL music with yelling and screaming in one broad stroke). Often times at stoner rock and sludge shows it's me who feels like a hipster because I'll be the only one who isn't a 40-something with long hair and a beer and their hand haha.

[Wanted Man]

@OP: I never really understand the dislike between some subgenres of metal. You know, like when power metal fans say that "black metal and death metal are incomprehensible screaming crap" or when fans of BM and the like say that "all other kinds are really just soft metal/hard rock/whatever".

But then again, I find it really hard to judge, since I'm a bit biased against BM as well. I'm not really into metal as much anymore, although I really like some metal bands. It's much easier to be free of the idea that, in order to be real, bands need to be "heavy", not cut their hair, wear certain clothes, grunt a lot, or whatever. But I also don't want to obsess over the need for more power metal-oriented bands to be "progressive" or complicated or what have you. If the music is enjoyable, that's enough.

That makes it a lot easier to listen to bands that have a more melodic sound, and being able to forgive them when some of their songs aren't sufficiently "heavy". And I can perfectly respect people who genuinely enjoy BM. I realise it's not entirely on-topic, but still. /rant

[Invincible Summer]

Most BM is pretty bad or outright corny, drone/doom is not. And Sleep is a good band, so is Sunn O))), they create an awesome atmosphere live. They aren't my favorite bands but I would never call them shit. Listen to Neurosis and I hope you won't call that shit, if you do you should purge yourself from this world.

Oh no I fucking love Neurosis. Sleep and Sunn O))) bore the shit out of me though.

[Andrei Kuznetsov]

While some black metal is corny, some of it is also extremely intricate, emotional and intense. Only instead of being incomprehensibly epic in scope such as bands like neurosis, their intensity is derived more from a scaled down, melancholic, seething sort of sound and feel. Black metal like this is true art, as there are few forms of music that can craft such depressing, raw and vile sounds.

Thank you, good sir. For this, you receive a SPECIAL VARG:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v324/AndreiX/1259616650094.gif

[Niall]

Pantera was hardly "mindlessness..."

agreed, theyve some great lyrics

[Lyev]

metal

http://static.rateyourmusic.com/lk/l/w/c094943498dfdf396397ea121611d6b1/830959.jpg

an infantile disorder

D00d dat is sum sick riffs!!!11

[Ravachol]

@OP: I never really understand the dislike between some subgenres of metal. You know, like when power metal fans say that "black metal and death metal are incomprehensible screaming crap" or when fans of BM and the like say that "all other kinds are really just soft metal/hard rock/whatever".

But then again, I find it really hard to judge, since I'm a bit biased against BM as well. I'm not really into metal as much anymore, although I really like some metal bands. It's much easier to be free of the idea that, in order to be real, bands need to be "heavy", not cut their hair, wear certain clothes, grunt a lot, or whatever. But I also don't want to obsess over the need for more power metal-oriented bands to be "progressive" or complicated or what have you. If the music is enjoyable, that's enough.

That makes it a lot easier to listen to bands that have a more melodic sound, and being able to forgive them when some of their songs aren't sufficiently "heavy". And I can perfectly respect people who genuinely enjoy BM. I realise it's not entirely on-topic, but still. /rant

I used to be into metal, but it started to bore the shit out of me a few years ago actually and all metal I listen to nowadays is either Black Metal or a few Death Metal bands for old-times sake. The thing with Black Metal is that it's actually a rather broad genre. Bands like Satyricon are a far cry from bands like Nyktalgia and Austere which in turn differ a lot from more Ambient and drone inspired band like Sun of the Blind and Paysage D'Hiver, never mind the numerous kinds of Pagan Black Metal and, sadly enough, NSMB.

In short, 'Black Metal' refers to a very broad genre. Generalizing it would be akin to generalizing 'Metal' itself. Thematically BM tends to be rather depressive, dealing with a lot of misanthropy and weltschmertz. Some BM bands take this to ridiculous heights by trying to be 'evil', something i've always seen as childish and stupid, the same goes for bands who try very hard to be kvlt and grimdark. On the other hand, a lot of BM bands are thematically interesting, some being Nietzsche-inspired and some incorporating psychoanalytical themes in their lyrics. The downside is when pagan BM (which is perfectly fine and enjoyable) started developing some fascist tendencies such as NSBM which, admittedly, where already present in Varg's writings (not in his music though). Luckily NSBM is rather small outside of eastern europe.

Musically a lot of BM is rather close to crust and it's no surprise a BM legend band like darkthrone switched to anarchist-inspired crust. In fact, crust's extreme dystopianism, 'nuclear winter' themes and borderline misanthropy are rather close to BM as well.

[Il Medico]

Metal = Shit
[/Debate]

[The Ben G]

Metal = Shit
[/Debate]

It matters what kind.

[Andrei Kuznetsov]

It matters what kind.

Yes, indeed.

If it's NOT black metal, it's shit.

Real metal is Anti-Christ + Anti-Human + Anti-Life, and its creed is No Mosh + No Core + No Trends + NO FUN.

[Mike Russell]

When the working class's leaders have been trained in concessions(as they are now), there is no clear direction for artist who arent in Marxist parties. I see music as being a reflection of the balance of class struggles.
Unfortunately, the ground for struggle is still maturing internationally. Until generalized class war is in the streets, most music has to be taken will a grain or salt. whats being sung most likely isnt going to be a far-sighted analysis of what ever it is there singing about.
Metal, punk, two musical genres that where mildly political at its inception, have grown into something almost foreign compared to the origins. Not that change is bad. Growth is great, but in the cases of metal skinhead,and punk i would say it hasn't been a progressive growth. A shame really. I listen to everything from red alert, to fall of efrafa, to Equilibrium, but i sure as hell arent going to any shows. Seems that everyone there not only embraces, but reinforces the stereotypical meat head that portrayed in the media.
so i guess i see the 'scenes' less of a place of ideas and unity and more of a place of conforming to what ever ideal antithesis their rebelling against(well, think their rebelling against:rolleyes:). But once theres a generalized fight back from the workingclass then I see music becoming a channel of expression. Substituted to the political parties and the trade unions of course.

[KarlMarx1989]

What in the world is the thread starter talking about? Black Metal is fine. Though there are a lot of Satanic bands within the genre, which makes it my not-favourite genre, it still has its gems in bands like; Cor Scorpii, Moonspell {Yes they = Black Metal}, Limbonic Art, and other such talents.


Their criticisms of Christianity, religion, authoritarianism, morality, etc. have potential to be insightful, but are nothing more than adolescent angst.

I don't necessarily know about that...It seems Punk Rock and Nu Metal are far worse with that. :/



The only thing keeping this art from being recognized is the immature, bad apple of BM.

I disagree. The popular stuff is narcississtic, pessimistic, and overall pointless.


Amon Amarth, Iced Earth, Dark Tranquility, Korpiklaani, etc

LOL. XD I'm sorry, I thought you just deemed those bands talented...

[Cyberwave]

Black metal is the only genre of metal I can truly orgasm to, to be honest.

In fact, I'd say black metal is the most varied metal genre of all. You have the really lo-fi and dark, depressive BM like Nyktalgia, the atmospheric BM like Negura Bunget, the folk BM like Kroda, etc. You even have a wide range of political ideas ranging from NS to Red/Anarchist metal bands like WITTR.

And further speaking of WITTR, they mentioned how its important to realize that its never a good thing to just stick with the same formula over and over. The early black metal was only a jumping off point, and now we should have the freedom to really explore the genre and be more varied. And you can clearly see evidence of this.

Drudkh, Kroda, Negura Bunget, Peste Noire, Deathspell Omega, Svarti Loghin, Brocken Moon, Black Lotus. They're some artists I've been more recently listening to and I'd recommend them. Just a note though, is that Drudkh and Kroda have been accused of being NS. Personally, I disbelieve it, but either way don't care. Can't understand them anyway, plus their music is just too damn good.

... amon amarth talented lolwat? SWORD BY MY SIDEEEE. o okies.

[Canadian Red]

all metal is an infantile disorder innit
Punk is the music of revolution! :D

[ZeroNowhere]

Punk is the music of revolution! :DPunk is actually the opposite of progressive.

[Mike Russell]

Punk is actually the opposite of progressive.

that was unnecessarily confrontational. and you dont think that punk turned thousands of kids into anti-capitalist? although, i tend to agree with you. but generally, its anti-thatcher, anti-reagan, anti-bush, anti-war, anti-capitalist(sometimes). i see punk a generally progressive. for the most part its more left then social-democrats, and Stalinist.

[ZeroNowhere]

Um, it was actually just a fairly lame pun.

[Andrei Kuznetsov]

*sits on gigantic stone throne, covered in gargoyles, ankhs, and inverted crosses*

*scoff* Hmmmph, punk rock... such drivel... *rolls eyes dramatically* we dark aristocrats of zee night have no time for such... childish rantings filled with impotent and undirected anger. *swishes glass full of red wine, puffs on clove*

["Red Scum"]

Metal = Shit
[/Debate]

Fuck you.

Fascist masquerading of opinions as fact of some of the people in this thread is revolting.

As a black metal musician myself, I can dispel your misconception that black metal is intrinsically tied to an ideology. Ever heard of Unblack metal for example?

[Andrei Kuznetsov]

Behold: Red & Anarchist Black Metal (RABM)

http://r-a-b-m.blogspot.com/

[bcbm]

Behold: Red & Anarchist Black Metal (RABM)

http://r-a-b-m.blogspot.com/

i linked that a month ago, on the first page of the thread

[ReggaeCat]

i was a blackster till i was tired of every band i liked turned out to be and super duper ultra evil antichrist jew hater ancestor lover pagan harted kvlt and trve but its a great music...check out ravencult or jarost marksa...

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

that was unnecessarily confrontational. and you dont think that punk turned thousands of kids into anti-capitalist? although, i tend to agree with you. but generally, its anti-thatcher, anti-reagan, anti-bush, anti-war, anti-capitalist(sometimes). i see punk a generally progressive. for the most part its more left then social-democrats, and Stalinist.


I love the fact that you have no idea what's going on

[Woyzeck]

Don't forget the worst of them all.....Dream Theater :bored:

Blasphemy! May the shredtastic Petrucci melt your face!

[Woyzeck]

If you don't like Enslaved - go die.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNUJ0l32YQw
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNUJ0l32YQw)

[The Ben G]

that was unnecessarily confrontational. and you dont think that punk turned thousands of kids into anti-capitalist? although, i tend to agree with you. but generally, its anti-thatcher, anti-reagan, anti-bush, anti-war, anti-capitalist(sometimes). i see punk a generally progressive. for the most part its more left then social-democrats, and Stalinist.

Punk rock is not Stalinist. True punk rock is anarcho socialist/communist.

["Red Scum"]

Punk rock is not Stalinist. True punk rock is anarcho socialist/communist.

He didn't say that. He said punks are more left than stalinists, which is a fair statement.

[The Ben G]

He didn't say that. He said punks are more left than stalinists, which is a fair statement.

Guess I miss read it. Sorry Mike Russell :blushing:

[TheFutureOfThePublic]

Black Metal wasnt mindlesness.It was saying no to religion

[cmdrdeathguts]

Scandinavia and Europe are really pioneering the Heavy Metal (Death, Melodeath, Power, Prog, Doom, Thrash, Folk) scene to extremely new heights that really are ground shattering. But for every musical movement, there is a certain part of it that holds it down artistically. I am referring to the Black Metal scene.

Say goodbye to any relevance of your opinion to black metal! If you want widdly solos, go elsewhere. In our house, it's sheets of guitar noise recorded in the mop bucket of Cthulu. Hail!

[ZeroNowhere]

Back in the early 80s, probably the US and Netherlands were bringing heavy metal to extremely new heights, now it's more of a mix of bands from various places trying to reach them. And Hibria, who just play so that more or less the only good European Power Metal (as in the subgenre) comes from Brazil. And why anybody would listen to melodeath, I am still unsure. Though that's not quite as mystifying as giving a shit about the lyrics to black metal songs

[Black Sheep]

Opeth is my response.

[cmdrdeathguts]

If anyone doesn't get it, they should listen to Nachtmystium, Wolves in the Throne Room, Pyramids, Alcest and Blut Aus Nord (nice German grammar, Frenchie). If anyone still doesn't get it and is an indie kid, check our Wind's Poem by Mount Eerie (née Microphones), featuring a more organic version of BM he calls "black wooden". If you still don't get it, the umpteenth master of puppets special edition's that-a-way, dick.

[Anthraxinsoup]

Black metal is great, Specially mayhem, The guitarist(Euronymous) was a communist too.

[The Ben G]

Black metal is great, Specially mayhem, The guitarist(Euronymous) was a communist too.

Ugh. I hate mayhem. Old school bm is pretty awesome, though. I dont know why im about the only punky metalhead in the world that hates mayhem.

[Anthraxinsoup]

Ugh. I hate mayhem. Old school bm is pretty awesome, though. I dont know why im about the only punky metalhead in the world that hates mayhem.

I love mayhem, fucking awesome stuff.

[Crux]

I like Ulver. :D

[Omi]

Black metal is great, Specially mayhem, The guitarist(Euronymous) was a communist too.

Nah, he was never really a communist. He shortly flirted with it, but after recognising that the communist movement was not full of evil mass murdering fuckheads he left. He only tried it because he thought it would make him look brootal and shocking, like other BM bands singing about nazi germany.

Anyone here listens to Keep of Kalessin? Awesomely epic stuff. Their last album was a bit to overproduced, but Armada is great!
And another quite interesting band is Primordial. Their last album to the nameless dead is very very good, one of the best clean singers in the genre. :thumbup1:

[Elfcat]

Downloaded Jarost Marksa's stuff. Anyone have the lyrics?

[Black Sheep]

Downloaded Jarost Marksa's stuff. Anyone have the lyrics?
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Jarost+Marksa+lyrics

[A.R.Amistad]

I hate to revive old threads, but FWIW, I have completely changed my whole outlook on Black Metal. Thank you Carpathian Forest

ZeroNowhere

And why anybody would listen to melodeath, I am still unsure.

?! :mad:

[pcm]

Black metal is the only genre of metal I can truly orgasm to, to be honest.

In fact, I'd say black metal is the most varied metal genre of all. You have the really lo-fi and dark, depressive BM like Nyktalgia, the atmospheric BM like Negura Bunget, the folk BM like Kroda, etc. You even have a wide range of political ideas ranging from NS to Red/Anarchist metal bands like WITTR.

And further speaking of WITTR, they mentioned how its important to realize that its never a good thing to just stick with the same formula over and over. The early black metal was only a jumping off point, and now we should have the freedom to really explore the genre and be more varied. And you can clearly see evidence of this.

Drudkh, Kroda, Negura Bunget, Peste Noire, Deathspell Omega, Svarti Loghin, Brocken Moon, Black Lotus. They're some artists I've been more recently listening to and I'd recommend them. Just a note though, is that Drudkh and Kroda have been accused of being NS. Personally, I disbelieve it, but either way don't care. Can't understand them anyway, plus their music is just too damn good.

... amon amarth talented lolwat? SWORD BY MY SIDEEEE. o okies.

You're absolutely right about black metal being a varied genre. Some BM is very mature and there is a wide range of it to choose from musically. Of course, it is also true that much of it, like other metal genres is pretty juvenile, but that just means that people need to be careful what BM they listen to.

I'll be posting up some newly recorded music from my Marxist-Leninist black metal band, Proletarian, very soon if you want to check it out. It's no WITTR or DsO but it's not bad stuff.

[Azraelscross]

looks like i missed most of this thread. but going back to the beginning you just weren't looking hard enough. everyone else here pretty much mentioned some outstanding bands. but if you ignore the racist and political standing of NSBM bands some are not actually that bad. ABSURD being one of them in my mind

Black metal has always been a large part of my life. first metal song i listened to was by Old mans Child. and it just expanded from there. the song that hooked me was "where dead angels lie" by dissection. from that day forward i went full on into all kinds of metal. which led to me getting interested in and spending most of my late teenage years studying religion and politics.

i owe Dissection for starting me down the path. so much that when i get some money together again i'm having a memorial tattoo to Jon put under the troll on my arm

Vj8jLyb8x0w


and the organization he was a part of is actually quite an interesting mish-mash of a gnostic religion. little off. but a semi interesting read
http://www.templeoftheblacklight.net/main.html

[A.R.Amistad]

looks like i missed most of this thread. but going back to the beginning you just weren't looking hard enough. everyone else here pretty much mentioned some outstanding bands. but if you ignore the racist and political standing of NSBM bands some are not actually that bad. ABSURD being one of them in my mind

Black metal has always been a large part of my life. first metal song i listened to was by Old mans Child. and it just expanded from there. the song that hooked me was "where dead angels lie" by dissection. from that day forward i went full on into all kinds of metal. which led to me getting interested in and spending most of my late teenage years studying religion and politics.

i owe Dissection for starting me down the path. so much that when i get some money together again i'm having a memorial tattoo to Jon put under the troll on my arm

Vj8jLyb8x0w


and the organization he was a part of is actually quite an interesting mish-mash of a gnostic religion. little off. but a semi interesting read
http://www.templeoftheblacklight.net/main.html

learned my lesson the hard way about books and their covers

[TheFutureOfThePublic]

not all music needs to have a direct meaning.black metal was just a stance against christianity in norway so in a way it had a meaning but just not in the lyrics.also burzum is very unique in creating dark atmospheres especially with the work released while vikernes was in jail

[A.R.Amistad]

Mods,

Could someone change this thread to "A.R.Amistad thinks Black Metal is da shit" or something along those lines because I officially love black metal just as much as death metal. :thumbup1:

[Communist]

Mods,
Could someone change this thread to "A.R.Amistad thinks Black Metal is da shit" or something along those lines because I officially love black metal just as much as death metal. :thumbup1:


Done.

Now for some Black Metal I get into...Mayhem.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhVmpuwsRjU



.

[A.R.Amistad]

Opeth is my response.


Opeth isn't Black Metal at all. :confused:

[NoOneIsIllegal]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lvIER0Mr0o&feature=related

Your welcome :thumbup1:

[Meridian]

I am seeing Opeth in a few days, should be good. But yeah, Opeth is more of a progressive metal band with folk influences I think.

Of Black Metal, my favorite band is probably Wolves In the Throne Room.


I like Ulver. :D
Same here. I like most of their stuff, but the acoustic album called "Kveldssanger" is perhaps one of my favorite albums. Incredibly atmospheric.

[berlitz23]

I Love Wolves in The Throne Room and Mayhem, in fact I am listening to 'Cursed to Eternity' right now, wrath and darkness have been incurred!

[Lulznet]

You guys should check out Ossadogva. Its an Occult themed Black Metal group. :thumbup1: