19 year old jailed for having sex while catholic church gets off the hook.

[Coggeh]

Ireland:

A 19 year old man has been jailed for having consensual sex with his 16 year old girlfriend . Something which is so idiotic I had to read it 5 times to find out if their was anything I missed: I didn't. They jailed a person for having sex with his girlfriend.

This is all on the backdrop of the reports of the abuse and cover ups that took place in the catholic church with regards to the abuse of children. Many bishops and cardinals have known about ongoing abuse but never spoke out and let those responsible for abuse continue in their positions with children.

The government have supported bishops and cardinals who won't resign as are many groups.

In ireland you can be jailed legally if your 17 and your girlfriend is 16 for having sex. But if you cover up decades of child abuse you get support from the governments themselves.

Bishops and cardinals should not resign in my view. They should be jailed for fucking life. They are as guilty as those who committed the act and deserve the exact same punishment.

[Guevaraist Insurgent]

this is why i want all priests killed

[Coggeh]

Don't troll my thread.

I'm sorry but the whole priest touching kids is irrevivant it is an idiotic reason to hate the church seeing as priests commit pedophilic acts as much as firemen/women do , should we kill all firemen/women?

The whole point is that the church covered and should be held responsible .

[Guevaraist Insurgent]

or be exterminated as a vile and corrupt entity

[Robocommie]

Don't troll my thread.

I'm sorry but the whole priest touching kids is irrevivant it is an idiotic reason to hate the church seeing as priests commit pedophilic acts as much as firemen/women do , should we kill all firemen/women?

The whole point is that the church covered and should be held responsible .

From what I've been told, the Church has been facing a crunch owing to the dropoff in priests, and so they've been trying to keep as many priests as they can. Needless to say, it's inexcusable what they've been doing and it doesn't do Catholics or the Church any favor to protect those Bishops responsible for the cover ups.

[Che a chara]

I don't know what other people's views are on the age of consent etc, but I think the age worldwide should be set at 18.

Though I am a catholic, I wouldn't really call myself a practicing one, but the things them disgusting perverts who wear the white collars done is an embarrassment to Ireland and to catholicism around the world. Those responsible and those who covered this tragedy up within the hierarchy should be punished and punished badly.

[The Count]

I don't know what other people's views are on the age of consent etc, but I think the age worldwide should be set at 18.
It's incredibly difficult to set reasonable laws dependent on age. For example, under your rule, what would happen to an 18-year-old who slept with a 17-year-old? Rape charges? Come on, now. This is why the idea of an "Age of Consent" is pretty much feckless. People (judges or juries, in this case) must exercise judgement and discretion, with "statutory rape" being dealt with on a case-by-case basis.

[The Red Next Door]

where have all the good prist gone.

[Che a chara]

It's incredibly difficult to set reasonable laws dependent on age. For example, under your rule, what would happen to an 18-year-old who slept with a 17-year-old? Rape charges? Come on, now. This is why the idea of an "Age of Consent" is pretty much feckless. People (judges or juries, in this case) must exercise judgement and discretion, with "statutory rape" being dealt with on a case-by-case basis.

Well of course each case should be judged on case-by-case merits, especially as you say in instances like this. But what i'm getting at is that at 18 you are usually fully developed and would/should have been educated on the subject.

Again, its just my opinion, but i see everyone under the age of 18 as a 'child'. They might act mature and all but the majority of those (imo) aren't emotionally and physically mature enough and would be easily taken advantage off.

It could set a precident.... I mean what's the youngest age could two people have sex ?

[Scary Monster]

I never get how the legal age to have sex isnt until 18. People get the natural urge to get it on during their teen years, and isnt sexual development usually completed way before then, before 15 or 16 years of age for girls? Its more complcated for a guy's physical development, as it can continue into their 20s. I think the legal age should be set based on scientific data, instead of whatever crazy reasons they use for the current age. And many teens have sex anyways, regardless of what the law says and how their parent(s) feels about it. Although i think its pretty gross for 13 year olds or younger to have sex. So Id say the legal age should be set at 16 since thats the age most girls are developed sexually. The arguement for not being "mentally mature" enough to have sex before 18 is pretty dumb, since the brain isnt fully developed until around the early or mid 20s.

[The Count]

Well of course each case should be judged on case-by-case merits, especially as you say in instances like this. But what i'm getting at is that at 18 you are usually fully developed and would/should have been educated on the subject.

Again, its just my opinion, but i see everyone under the age of 18 as a 'child'. They might act mature and all but the majority of those (imo) aren't emotionally and physically mature enough and would be easily taken advantage off.
Why 18 though? What makes this the magic number? The progression of mental and sexual maturity in individuals varies to quite a strong degree. Ageism is BS, unless there's a malicious act being perpetrated (as in the case of child molestation). I mean, why can you only drink once you're 21, vote once you're 18, and drive once you're 16? Obviously these numbers vary depending on where you are, but the same concept applies.


It could set a precident.... I mean what's the youngest age could two people have sex ?You'd be surprised...


Although i think its pretty gross for 13 year olds or younger to have sex. So Id say the legal age should be set at 16 since thats the age most girls are developed sexually.Do you honestly think any laws would stop these 'gross kids' from having sex? Finding a 16-year-old virgin these days could prove quite a challenge.

[The Deepest Red]

There should be no "Age of Consent" law. People who are capable of having sexual relations should be allowed to do so without any interference by the state. Rape is still rape, however, and so I believe it should be up to a judge, judges or a jury to decide whether an individual had been taken advantage of or was forced to have sex with another person. Their age shouldn't be a factor.

[The Deepest Red]

Ireland:

A 19 year old man has been jailed for having consensual sex with his 16 year old girlfriend . Something which is so idiotic I had to read it 5 times to find out if their was anything I missed: I didn't. They jailed a person for having sex with his girlfriend.

This is all on the backdrop of the reports of the abuse and cover ups that took place in the catholic church with regards to the abuse of children. Many bishops and cardinals have known about ongoing abuse but never spoke out and let those responsible for abuse continue in their positions with children.

The government have supported bishops and cardinals who won't resign as are many groups.

In ireland you can be jailed legally if your 17 and your girlfriend is 16 for having sex. But if you cover up decades of child abuse you get support from the governments themselves.

Bishops and cardinals should not resign in my view. They should be jailed for fucking life. They are as guilty as those who committed the act and deserve the exact same punishment.

I bet if they were married (I think 16 is the legal age for marriage in the south?) he wouldn't have been convicted.

[Soldier of life]

There should be no "Age of Consent" law. People who are capable of having sexual relations should be allowed to do so without any interference by the state. Rape is still rape, however, and so I believe it should be up to a judge, judges or a jury to decide whether an individual had been taken advantage of or was forced to have sex with another person. Their age shouldn't be a factor.


So you would be ok with a 9 year old who has gone through puberty having sexual relations with a 60 year old?

A persons mind and personal development has to be taken into account, as well as many other mitigating factors, not just their physical ability to actually have sex. Their age can be a helpful barometer when deciding this.

[Pogue]

Don't troll my thread.

I'm sorry but the whole priest touching kids is irrevivant it is an idiotic reason to hate the church seeing as priests commit pedophilic acts as much as firemen/women do , should we kill all firemen/women?

The whole point is that the church covered and should be held responsible .

huh?

[The Deepest Red]

So you would be ok with a 9 year old who has gone through puberty having sexual relations with a 60 year old?

A persons mind and personal development has to be taken into account, as well as many other mitigating factors, not just their physical ability to actually have sex. Their age can be a helpful barometer when deciding this.

Perhaps it wasn't clear, but I implied that there are also psychological factors to be considered. No I wouldn't be okay with a 9 year old having relations with an adult. Out of interest; why a 60 year old? Does a particularly large age gap make it worse?

[gorillafuck]

I don't know what other people's views are on the age of consent etc, but I think the age worldwide should be set at 18.
I'm sorry, but you want to RAISE it? 16 year olds shouldn't be allowed to have sex?

This jailing is ridiculous.

[RedRise]

Sixteen is actually a reasonable age for a person to legally be able to have sex considering that both genders would have more or less finished puberty by that stage but is different for every individual.
On the other hand, being legally to young to have sex often doesn't stop people (I've heard of twelve-year-olds getting abortions) and being allowed to have sex doesn't mean people choose to do so. In my opinion people should wait until they are in a moderately serious relationship before they start having sex. I just don't see the point in sleeping with some person at a party and not seeing them again or having sex with someone you only go out with for a short time.
I still don't think that someone should be jailed for having sex unless the other party confirms that it was rape.