im new a new bloke - any aussie revolutionaries?

[IHP]

hey everyone,

im obviously new. i joined because im sick of arguing with everyone at my school. 99% of the people are just material kids who dont know shit, fuck it makes me angry. its good to find a whole lot of other people who share similar beliefs to me.

also, it'll be good to meet some aussie revolutionaries, who live in the same environment, and share the same beliefs with.

im originally from belfast, but i now live in australia. a lot of people disagree with the likes of Dubya, but are stil a pack of cappie wankers.

duz anyone here have similar shit that pisses em off?

[Mazdak]

Welcoem to the site. I'd like to hear your opinion on Josef Stalin. If you have one that is. Have fun.

[canikickit]

Joseph.

[IHP]

canikickit, the translation from russian, if you wanna be technical would be DZHOSEF. so it can be spelt howver you want. and mazdak, Let me put it this way, id be happier having a beer with brezhnev. stalin is just, well.... i wont go into my thoughts on that. ok?

[hawarameen]

welcome!

[canikickit]

I'd go for spelling it with an "R", myself.

[Mazdak]

Canikickit, you idiot. I am going to do it on purpose from now on. I never knew you were an English Teacher AND a stoner too.

[canikickit]

Who writes your jokes, Mazdak?

[IHP]

oh, one word mazdak

COLLECTIVISATION.

Theres my thoughts, ;)

[Mazdak]

YEah, i support collectivization 100% too.

[boadicea88]

Quote: from canikickit on 4:09 pm on Sep. 19, 2002
Who writes your jokes, Mazdak?


I thought you did...
but- wait a minute- no, they were too good, stupid me...

No, Mazdak, this is in no way a dig at you, do not be hurt/offended.

[IHP]

ummm, mazdak maybe you misunderstood......

im not too keen on the old collectivisation...

hmmmm.....stalin definitely a charismatic leader. industry in the thirites went through the roof. oil supply was 3 times greater in '37 than in '32, industry production was up 4 times in the same perod. did you ever hear about sikhanov? the guy that apparently produced in one shift, about 16 times what a normal worker produced. more people were educated than ever beofre, and the former SU was quickly catching the western powers.

but collectivisation ruined countless kulaks lives, they rebelled and grain production dropped from 80B tonnes to 69B tonnes. and about 20M people were killed. yeah, not so sure bout it....dont you think that the way things were headed that it would have better than to put harsh laws on rich peasant farmers?

i reckon that production was un its way up and up and up, and collectivisation kinda ruined it.

soz, a bit long winded ay?

[Mazdak]

The KULAKS!!! the kulaks were filthy terrorists. They were wealthy and did not want to lose their fortunes. So they sabotaged things. they deserved what they got.

[IHP]

yeah, maybe your right on the kulaks, but what about the other 20M, did they deserve to perish?

[IHP]

o contraire, mazdak (dont worry, im not french) why dont you tell me why i should convert to your authoritarian ways?

--IHP

[Mazdak]

Oh yes, 20 million? LMAO!! This is a greatly exagerrated number. If he had this many killed, where are all the bodies? There are none. You are counting the numbers of people who died from 1918-1945 in war. Sure 20 million russians died. They died fighting against the Third Reich. Not against Stalin's NKVD. Collectivization has its toll.

Why be authoritarian? Because it is realistic. In today's world, everyone is basically greedy and out for personal gain. They are also ignorant. The anarchists and liberetarians are convinced that idiots like the common people should be able to vote and believe in a multiple party system. Since for the most part the masses are ignorant sheep, they will almost never vote for the right person.

This is obvious, look at the US and Bush. Should he be in power? No. But the ignorant masses voted him in(gore wouldnt have been much better.)

Authoritarianism is realistic.... the only way to makle changes is to force them. You think anyone would be willing to give up so much of their lives for posterity. So much of their work for the betterment of mankind. Of course not. Asking doesnt work. Commanding does.


That is all

BTW- it appears Western Sun from another forum is here, yet he hasnt posted. Welcome. Surprised to see you here.

[canikickit]

the ignorant masses voted him in(gore wouldnt have been much better.)

He wasn't voted in.

[IHP]

but that sounds rather dictatorial. taking aways someones rights goes against every thing i believe in. humans might be stupid, and misinformed, but they also must have freedom. what you suggest takes away that right. read up on some chilean history, from say 1973 onwards....if you dont have the right to vote, you have a system whereby the masses have no say, thus cannot object to what the ruling body does.

--IHP

[IHP]

ok, about the 20M...my source was incorrect. but i am now reaing a book, and it says within that Stalin admitted to Churchill that 10M died as a result of poverty and starvation. this was the ripple effect of collectivisation.

are you aware of such an exchange between these leaders?

--IHP

[Ian]

Hey, I hate pinochet, I am also from Australia (Western Sydney).
Good to have a comrade here thats from the same region :)
Are you in resistance? If you are do you reckon it would be alright for a communist to join?

[IHP]

hey ian rocks,

do you mean the resistence as in the protests at pine gap?
well i'd love to be up there but i have to be at uni.
at uni we have a socialist party that im a member of, im not entirely sure which resistence you're referring to. but hey a commie would be welcome in most resistences im sure.

do you know of any other ockers on this site?

--IHP

[Ian]

Resistance is the socialist youth group that is attached to the Democratic Socialist Party, I'm thinking about joining...

[IHP]

hey IR,

could you email me some info on resistence? thatd be awesome mate. is it aus wide?

also, did you see that young lady greens senator at pine gap? whats her name? coz i was arguing with a bloke from uni about it...long story.

--IHP

[Dan Majerle]

i'm from melbourne, australia.