thats so gay...

[Sasha]

http://thefbomb.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/11432_1213404059401_1357770001_31126858_1725600_n. jpg

very cool story here:
http://thefbomb.org/2009/11/corduroy-skirts-are-a-sin/

[Bilan]

Gold

[NecroCommie]

I like corduroy skirts on women. :crying: In addition, if that woman is a homophobe, I also like a rope around her neck!

[Luisrah]

Lol, rep to that guy.

[Invincible Summer]

I also like a rope around her neck!

Misogynist.

[Il Medico]

Fantastic.

[NecroCommie]

Misogynist.
Serious person. :P

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

cool story bro

but his rationale that he pays to study there, ergo he should not have to be subject to homophobia is very questionable

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

I wouldn't expect much better from white bourgie American kids, tho

[Nwoye]

brilliant

[Prairie Fire]

Hey! Don't be dissing courduroy skirts!... Not that I have any.

Seriously though, that was pretty good.





I also like a rope around her neck!


Misogynist.



Indeed.


but his rationale that he pays to study there, ergo he should not have to be subject to homophobia is very questionable


I wouldn't expect much better from white bourgie American kids, tho

Well, cut him a bit of slack.

This is a young persyn taking a stand against reactionaries. In the absence of the leadership of a working class political party and a coherent political line,
he defaulted to the dominant notions of the society. This is to be expected.

It's like when I was at an anti-Nazi protest earlier this year, and some of the anti-nazi protesters were calling the nazis "faggots".

Individual expressions of even the most progressive politics are usually carried out through the existing intellectual forms of the society, and subject to the notions of the ruling ideas in that society. Hence the reason for a vanguard party.

[Искра]

I have a "nun" fetish. :(

[Glenn Beck]

I have a "nun" fetish. :(

*Wistful sigh* Me too, man.

Me too.

[Rusty Shackleford]

I have a "nun" fetish. :(

*Wistful sigh* Me too, man.

Me too.

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

Hey! Don't be dissing courduroy skirts!... Not that I have any.

Seriously though, that was pretty good.


Indeed.





Well, cut him a bit of slack.

This is a young persyn taking a stand against reactionaries. In the absence of the leadership of a working class political party and a coherent political line,
he defaulted to the dominant notions of the society. This is to be expected.

It's like when I was at an anti-Nazi protest earlier this year, and some of the anti-nazi protesters were calling the nazis "faggots".

Individual expressions of even the most progressive politics are usually carried out through the existing intellectual forms of the society, and subject to the notions of the ruling ideas in that society. Hence the reason for a vanguard party.


Cuz workers need to be lead in order not to hate gays amiright

[Искра]

Thx for pic.

[An archist]

Thx for pic.
indeed:cool:

[ls]

When you put in such easy to understand terms that even anarkiddies can understand, I cannot see how this can be true!! ANARKEEEE!!!
http://members.chello.cz/rs2/graphic/bomb2.gif

Technically you could say that's blowing up anarchism, I doubt many anarchists would blow up anarchism.

[Prairie Fire]

Cuz workers need to be lead in order not to hate gays amiright



Okay, number 1, I was initially responding to this:


but his rationale that he pays to study there, ergo he should not have to be subject to homophobia is very questionable

I was pointing out that he was acting in a progressive way, but unfortunately, as is the case for most individuals who take action by themselves, he was unable to make a decisive break with the dominant narrative that he was accustomed to.

His intentions were genuine, but all that he knew was the ideas that had been presented to him all his life, so he framed his affirmation of homosexual rights in terms of a commodity exchange: He is paying to study there, so in return he expects not only an education but a certain level of dignity and respect to be generally present on the campus.

As I said, he commodifies the affirmation of rights and the suppression of chauvenism; affirmation of rights takes place on the basis of him and his fellow students parting with cash.

So basically, he is approaching the situation as a consumer who feels that the homophobia of this other persyn violates the terms of his purchase.

Again, this is to be expected.

It is like I said before: Individual expressions of even the most progressive politics are usually carried out through the existing intellectual forms of the society, and subject to the notions of the ruling ideas in that society.

Even some of the most brilliant minds of past eras tried to make their very progressive actions and discoveries conform to the dominant narrative of the times.

Charles Darwin was a devout Christian. Even though he put forward his theory of evolution in "On the origin of the species", he was unable to make a break with the dominant narrative of the society that he lived in. Even though he discovered something that later became integral to the rationalization of Athiesm, he still clinged to faith himself, and framed his discoveries within this context.

Get it?

Now let us address you're strawmyn:

You ask if the workers need "to be lead" in order to "not hate gays".

A better starting point for that discussion is "Why do people hate gays?"

Among young people, why is "gay" a synonym for "bad" ?

Why are homosexual slurs like "faggot" used as general pejoratives?

All of these things don't take place inside a vaccum.

You are asking if workers need leadership in order to not be homophic; on the contrary, if is because of "leadership", of the dominant ideological superstructure of the bourgeoisie, that homophobia is generally adopted.

Remember that homophobia, like racism, generally originates at the bourgeois state level and trickles down from there, as examplified by all of the state legislation taken against homosexuality in the United States (ie. Sodomy laws, defintion of marriage, etc).

If it is ideological hegemony of one class that leads to the general proliferation of homophobia in the first place, so it is the organized forms and institutions of the bourgeois state that dissiminate it... logically, it follows that it would take a similarly organized force to combat these notions, don't you think?

That organized force is generally the most advanced, the most concious elements of the working class, working in unison to bring about social consciousness to the rest of their class, and opposing all of the ideology of the bourgeois superstructure.

Maybe you think that my previous tone was condescending, but it makes sense doesn't it?

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

(Apologisies for not matching your hench bastard of a post with a counter henchity)

My point being simply this , yes it will require a shift of power from one class to another smply due to taking matters such as benefiting from spreading vile crap that divides the class as well as having the practical means (media , education system and just in general being more able to influance culture etc). This rubbish can only be ended once the working class dictated culture becomes predominant (although it is likely a few basement losers will continue to spout shit on the internet or some half wit will mouth off down the pub - if we do things proplerly the second will get bottled).

No I do not thing we should start pesudo religious punishing of the sinners against leftism (I do not jump in on every little thing because not only is it pointless coming from a hetro bloke its also a first class ticket to aleination). However it is mostly your tone I took issue with , saying that the working class needs leadership for this to work impies it is the all knowing all teaching grand leaders that will stop this , a common view amongst those who see proles as uncultured barbarains that need educating which is tragically too common.

[Искра]

Authority of anarchism do not exist. Saying that authoritarian anarchism exists is stupid as saying that there's realistic utopia or homophobic homosexual. :rolleyes:

[ls]

Authority of anarchism do not exist. Saying that authoritarian anarchism exists is stupid as saying that there's realistic utopia or homophobic homosexual. :rolleyes:

Well, there are national-anarchists and yes, there are homophobic (mostly closet) homosexuals. :p


Ultimately even the authority of anarchism has to be fought in order to create a truly anti-authoritarian space.

If that's the case, your unwavering uselessness must be fought in the struggle for you to make yourself useful for something as a human, I don't think you'll ever wage such a struggle though.

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

Stop flaming. Will a moderator take some action on this please? This is clearly an unprovoked personal attack.

Stop whining.

[Nwoye]

prairie fire is actually completely right for once.

[Искра]

Nonsense. Your "network of anarcho-syndicalists" sets itself apart from the workers and therefore imposes your authority on them.
Read our statute.
We are not "above from workers".

[Jimmie Higgins]

Well, cut him a bit of slack.

This is a young persyn taking a stand against reactionaries. In the absence of the leadership of a working class political party and a coherent political line, he defaulted to the dominant notions of the society. This is to be expected.

Right and the thing that liberal college professors and the mainstream liberal organizations stress is always "freedom of speech" in the abstract. I remember organizing anti-military recruitment activities in Oakland and being yelled at by old hippies who claimed to be against the war but also claimed that our actions were "anti-free speech".

So the fact that this kid who obviously is coming from that view and that sort of consciousness is emboldened by the rekindling of a gay rights movement and just pain fed up with bigots is a nice sign of people beginning to question status quo common sense.

[RedAnarchist]

Can people stop flaming, please? ANother more will get a verbal warning.

[Искра]

It doesn't matter what your propaganda says. In reality, workers as their natural selves are not born anarcho-syndicalists. You're basically imposing your ideology on them.
Ok, assuming you are not a complete idiot I'll explain you what's statute. Statute has nothing to do with propaganda. It's foundational act/document of organisation which explains what's this organisation about, who are members, what are their rights and duties etc. Also it explains structure of organisation.
Where's propaganda here?
Also, there's big difference between agitating and leading and agitating and authority. You see, we don't force people to be anarcho-syndicalists. Majority of people we worked with are actually right wing workers. Did we forced them into something? We haven't. We helped them in their situation, we worked together on this one etc. we introduced them with our ideas etc. and that's over. Where's here authority?
Also, assuming that you are not complete idiot I would like to ask you one thing. Since, you don't know Croatian and since you don't know a shit about my organisation etc. why do you think that you are capable of judging it?

[Искра]

The word "Authority" is derived from the Latin word auctoritas meaning invention, advice, opinion, influence or commands which originate from an auctor indicating that authority originates from a master, leader or author (from wiki). Here, instead of respecting the rights of the workers to live their lives, you "helped" them and "advised" them. So, you effectually used your authority to help these workers. I'm not saying you did wrong in doing this, but in effect, you used authority to take leadership and benefit the workers, which was beneficial to them.
There was no leadership. We don't function in that way. We said what can we do, and they said what they need. Who's leading who?


I was just taking the example of your organization. It could be any other anarchist organization, for that matter.
You can't take for example organisation if you don't know anything about it. Like you can't say that Anarchist Federation and Solidarity Federation are same, even they are both anarchist.

[Искра]

You may deny this. But the workers do see you as guiding them in some way. We can argue about whether leadership was the correct term to describe anarchists' actions in providing help and support for workers, but that would be a semantic debate, no?

Of course, but this discussion was based on the concept of anti-authoritarianism and most anarchist organizations I know are anti-authoritarian.

No this is discussion because you claimed that there are Authoritarian anarchists.

And that's not semantic debate. Lidership = when you lead someone, when you are in charge etc. We are not leaders.

[Bilan]

Would you two shut up.

"Socialist", read the fucking statutes and stop making presumptuous judgments.

[Bilan]

Bollocks you were.

[bcbm]

fight fight fight fight!

[Prairie Fire]

prairie fire is actually completely right for once.


I love when people "compliment" me, because it always has a disclaimer or a qualifier.

Thanks, I think. :rolleyes:

[Jazzratt]

I love when people "compliment" me, because it always has a disclaimer or a qualifier.

Thanks, I think. :rolleyes:

Oh come one. Just next to his username and all that shite it says


Tendency: Left Communists (http://www.revleft.com/vb/group.php?groupid=9)

it is probably the case he usually thinks you are talking bollocks a lot of the time. If I saw you or any of the other HU acolytes agreeing with me I wouldn't be at all surprised if you said "for once Jazzratt isn't talking out of his fucking arse" except, perhaps, not in so many words.