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ComradeMan
30th November 2009, 11:54
In light of recent controversies I found this on the net:-


Islam Versus Marxism
Being an Essay Written for the
Muslim-Christian Convention
held in Lebanon in 1954
By
Hujja-tul-Islam


Prof. Dr. Fazl-ur-Rahman Ansari Al-Qaderi
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THE PREAMBLE
The Marxist menace has been growing in the Muslim world, the political measures lately adopted by certain Muslim states notwithstanding. It has been growing and it must continue to grow so long as the social and political conditions remain what they are—so long as poverty, ignorance disease, exploitation and tyranny hold their sway in Muslim lands and die-hard imperialists like the French continue to keep large Muslim populations under their heels.
That is, however, the political aspect of the menace, with which persons of academic sphere can hardly interfere with any tangible result. But the academic aspect also has suffered considerably. For instance, there has been no organized international move on behalf of the Muslim world which could pool all its intellectual resources and give it a specialised lead in this regard. Certain religious organizations have been doing some valuable literary work, for which every Muslim should feel grateful. But nothing substantial has been done to build up a genuine international movement which could undertake to fight the Marxist menace at least academically.
The present essay was written for the World Convention sponsored by the "American Friends of the Middle East" and held in Lebanon in 1954. The following four fundamental problems were laid down for exposition:

The spiritual assets in Islam and their significance for the individual, the family and society;
Social work based on religious concepts like Zakat;
The social challenge of Communism and Islam's answer to it;
How can Islam transmit its spiritual values to the younger generation? Hence the following line of discussion.
THE BASIC POINT OF DIFFERENCE:
It is a truism, as the Holy Prophet Jesus (Allah's blessings be upon him!) is reported to have said: "Man does not live by bread alone". It is this fact which is vital to every religion,—in fact, to Religion as such,— and it is this which distinguishes and separates Religion from Marxism for all time.
Marxism negates the belief in the existence of God, denies all the higher values of life and challenges the dignity of man. Grounded as it is in a Mechanistic Philosophy and a Behaviouristic Psychology, it refuses to regard Man as anything more than an automaton, — a vanishing speck on the firmament of matter, or a mere plaything on the social chessboard. It refuses to recognise Man's higher yearnings—his yearnings for communion with God, his yearnings for Truth, Love and Beauty, his yearnings for spiritual perfection, moral earnestness and social refinement—except as aberrations and sublimations of his economic wants, thus raising Psychological Perversion to the dignity of a Moral Principle. It recognises only the validity of the economic value and of naked Materialism; and its Dialectic, though it appears to be endowed with what might only paradoxically be called self-consciousness, is, in the final analysis, actually a blind process. Thus Marxism stands poles apart from Islam. In fact, it is it’s very anti-thesis.
THE SPIRITUAL ASSETS OF ISLAM:
As regards the spiritual assets of Islam, they can be particularised only academically, because, practically speaking, the entire super-structure of Islam is spiritual in the sense of being God-conscious. The word "Islam" means "submission to the Will of God", or in other words, living a life for the sake of God. Thus a Muslim is he every aspect of whose behaviour and every cross-section of whose activity—without any such distinction as that of "secular" and "religious"—is for the sake of God and in obedience to His Will and Commands. This is what we read in the Holy Qur’an:
"Say (O Muhammad!) : Truly, my prayer and my sacrifice, my life and my death are (all) for Allah, the Cherisher of the Worlds: no partner hath He: This I am commanded and I am the first of those who bow to Allah's Will". (VI: 162, 163).
However, from the point of view of the problems before us, certain spiritual assets of Islam might be stressed: —

(a) In the first instance Islam regards the basis of all life as spiritual, and, though its approach to the problem of Mind and Matter is non-dualistic, i.e., unitary, in the realm of values it gives primacy to the spiritual, thus standing in violent opposition to Marxist Dialectical Materialism.
(b) While Marxism conceives life only in respect of its un-folding from the lower to the higher forms—just as, in the case of the individual, it gives primacy to Hunger and Sex and makes the entire life revolve round them— Islam stresses the fundamental diffusion of life from the higher to the lower values. Thus, it regards God not only the Ultimate Reality but the Really Real and orientates entire life in the concept of Love for Him. In the realm of human values, Islam conceives the economic value emerging from the moral and the moral from the spiritual.
(c) This necessitates a belief in the Universe as a Moral Order, which Islam affirms with all the emphasis possible. According to Islam, the contradictions which exist on the material plane of existence harmonise themselves on the spiritual plane; and in its teachings concerning life-after-death and moral retribution in the form of Heaven and Hell, it proclaims that Virtue must ultimately triumph.
(d) The universe being a Moral Order, Man cannot but be a Moral Being primarily and essentially,— and that he is in Islam. Far from being a blind atom whirling in the storm of cosmic confusion or an impersonal mark on the unfolding tape of the cruel Dialectic, he is the possessor of an Individuality and a Personality, basically built up on the elements of Goodness, Truth and
Beauty, as the Holy Qur'an says:
"We have indeed created man in the best make" (XCV: 4).
Essentially, he is not the slave of the instincts of Hunger and Sex but a being to whom the angels were ordered by God Almighty to pay homage, as we are told in the Holy Qur’an:
"And behold, We said to the angels: 'Bow to Adam', and they bowed down". (II :34).
He is the apex of Creation and the master of all around him. So says thy Holy Qur’an:
"Do you not see that Allah has subjected to your (use) all things in the heavens and on earth, and has made His bounties flow to you in exceeding measure, (both) seen and unseen? Yet there are men who dispute Allah, without knowledge and without Guidance, and without a Book to enlighten them!" (XXXI : 20).
And, again:
"And certainly We have honoured the children of Adam; provided them with transport on land and sea; given them for sustenance things good and pure: and conferred on them special favours above a great part of Our Creation." (XVII : 70).
Islam has indeed raised Man to the highest pinnacle of greatness in Creation by calling him the Vicegerent of God on earth, to which the Holy Qur'an refers in these words:
"Behold, thy Lord said to the angels: 'I will creat a vicegerent on earth'." (11:30).
(e) This being the dignity of Man, Islam gives him the ideal of harmonising himself with the Divine Life. Thus we have been told by the Holy Prophet Muhammad (God's choicest blessings be upon him!): —
"Imbue yourselves with Divine Attributes."
(f) Islam is the religion of Balance, Proportion and Harmony, to which numerous verses of the Holy Qur'an bear testimony, as for instance:
"Glorify the name of thy Lord Most High, Who hath created and, further, given order and proportion; Who hath ordained laws and granted guidance". (LXXXVII:1-3).
And, again:
"God Most Gracious! It is He Who has taught the Qur'an. He has created man: He has taught him speech (with intelligence). The sun and the moon follow courses (exactly) computed and the herbs and the trees do adore (Him). And the Firmament has He raised high, and He has set up the Balance, in order that ye may not transgress the Balance." (LV: 1-8).
Thus Islam commands Man to affirm all the values of life—Spiritual, Moral, Intellectual, Aesthetic and Physical— and to pursue them in a balanced way, aiding finally at Harmonious Development.
(g) The principle of Harmony at the highest social level transforms itself into the well-known Islamic doctrine of Human Brotherhood, which, in its turn, throws into broad relief the principle of Co-operation in contradistinction to the Marxist ideology of Class-War.
These, in brief, are the spiritual assets of Islam from the point of view of the present discussion, and they reveal the utter incompatibility which exists between Islam and Marxism.
INDIVIDUAL AND SOCIETY:
As regards the relations of the Individual and the Society, Islam gives to the Individual what belongs to the Individual and to the Society what belongs to the Society. The Individual and the Society have been conceived in it not as antithetic but as complimentary, the former realising himself through the latter and the latter through the former. Indeed, in its unique system, Islam has steered clear of the shortcomings of both, cruel Individualism and brutal Collectivism, giving us a synthesis which is natural and rational.
Marxism is Collectivism in its brute form, with an iron regimentation bordering on slavery. As a theory of Social Atomism, it regards the Individual as the primary unit of the Social Whole. But very soon it absorbs him in the concept of class-war and filially drowns his identity in the whirlpool of Social Expediency where the loyalty to the Politbureau over-rides all other loyalties, including that to the family-ties.
In Islam, the Individual is the spiritual unit of the Society, while the family forms the social unit. Thus the Individual has been regarded as basically a free being with a permanent identity and his moral struggle has been conceived as directed to the enrichment of his own Personality as well as that of other individuals, contributing, in the final analysis, to the enrichment of the human Society as a whole. As regards the Family, it occupies, in the elaborate code of Islamic ethics, a priviledged position above all challenge, and Marriage, which forms the corner-stone in the superstructure of family life, has been declared to be a vital means, not only as regards the individual's social self-realisation but also in connection with his spiritual perfection. Thus, for instance, the Holy Prophet Muhammad (Allah bless him!) says:
"Marriage is of my ways, and whoever turns away from my ways is not from me, i.e., is not a Muslim!"
Also:
"Marriage is half the Faith."
The teachings of Islam concerning the Individual and the Family are directly and logically related to the principles stated in connection with spiritual assets. Islam stresses the principle of Co-operation in contrast to the Marxist philosophy of Conflict, and genuine Co-operation cannot be possible except between free beings. Again, there can be no better training ground and no better nucleus for Cooperation than the Family. Hence the assurance of the basic freedom of the Individual and the sanctity of the institution of the Family in Islam.
SOCIAL SERVICE BASED ON RELIGIOUS CONCEPTS:
As already stressed, Islam is not merely a Religion but an elaborate Social Order, a self-contained Culture and a full-fledged Civilisation. Consequently, the entire Islamic system of faith and practice ensures "Social Service based on Religious Concepts" by assimilating all the three basic concepts, namely, Man, Society, God into a harmonious Whole, in contradistinction to Marxism which confines itself purely to the problem of "Man and Society" and also in sharp contrast to the general religious thought which confines itself to the problem of "Man and God." Indeed, even the' purely devotional practices in Islam, like Prayers and Fasting and the Pilgrimage to Mecca, are social institutions and serve social ends.
Besides this basic characteristic of Islam, there is also a specific Social Code in which social service has been raised to the dignity of the highest form of virtue, just as the Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace be on him!) says:
"The best of you is he who is best to God's family, i.e., mankind."
Thus, while, besides the "Duties to God," "Duties to Self," "Duties to the Creation in General," we find a magnificent elaboration of "Duties to Others" (Individual as well as Collective) in the Islamic Moral Code, we also come across among the basic "Five Pillars" themselves an institution like the "Zakat," enthroned there as the very essence of Islam.
Zakat is the obligatory "Social Betterment Tax"— obligatory to the extent that its denial turns a person out of the fold of Islam—and it gives to Islam the distinction of giving to the world a system of "Organised Well-doing" in contrast to the haphazard form of Charity found generally in the practice of religious people. Comprising 2½% on all hoarded and productive wealth, it is essentially a state-institution and is meant solely for the benefit of the poor and for the general weal, as the Holy Prophet Muhammad (may his memory be ever green!) says:
"(It is) taken from their well-to-do persons and given to their poor people."
Unfortunately, during the present age of Muslim disorganisation (due to various causes which may not be recounted at the present occasion), the institution of Zakat has become a private affair and is being practised by very few Muslims. But, during the glorious period of Muslim history, it existed with all the splendour of its revolutionary glory. Indeed, as all students of Islamic history know, it succeeded even in the earliest stages of its establishment in transforming a veritable desert of poverty, destitution and suffering into a paradise of plenty for all. And it can be said without the least shadow of doubt that it can perform the same miracle even today if it is organised properly by the Muslim governments.
Zakat is not, however, the sole institution which Islam has given to us for the eradication of social evils. Rather, there is a whole set of laws which aim at the establishment of a healthy economic adjustment in society.

ISLAM’S ANSWER TO THE SOCIAL
CHALLENGE OF COMMUNISM
And this brings us to "Islam's answer to the Social Challenge of Communism." Let it be said at the very outset that the challenge of Communism was born and has maintained itself upto this day solely because of the existence of the maladjustment of economic relations. The situation has been rife with unlimited exploitation and unbridled oppression of man by man, leading to wide-spread misery and helplessness and frustration, and finally giving birth to the fire of vengeance and revolt. The more fortunate among us have worshipped wealth, instead of worshipping God and serving the higher values, until the science of Economics itself has become virtually divorced from morals and other higher considerations. This is what indeed the majority of Economists of the modem world (excluding, of course, the protagonists of Welfare Economics) themselves admit. For instance, according to Marshall: "Economics is neutral between ends: the ends may be noble or ignoble, an economist is not concerned with it."
Islam's answer to the challenge of Communism may be conceived in a two-fold perspective. Firstly, Islam stands for linking up economics with the moral and spiritual values. It does not believe that economic maladjustment can be genuinely resolved without taming the brute in man, namely, without bringing about a general moral and spiritual reformation. It holds that economics must be guided by such moral principles which are grounded in the highest Spiritual Truths.
Secondly, Islam regards 'Destitution' as a positive vice, and this is what the Holy Prophet Muhammad (Allah bless him) says:
"Destitution is conducive to infidelity (i.e., the suppression of higher values").
This being the case, Islam directs its entire spiritual and moral force into the economic sphere with a view to eradicate the economic miseries of man through the widest possible distribution of wealth. The Holy Qur'an lays down the principle:
"Wealth should not be permitted to circulate among the wealthy only." (LIX: 7).
It is this principle, and the economic structure built upon it, which alone can be regarded capable of providing the answer to the challenge of Communism on the social plane,—of course practised in the light of Islam's spiritual and moral outlook.
ISLAM, CAPITALISM AND SOCIALISM:
The unfortunate conditions obtaining in the Muslim world today have misguided some to regard the Islamic economic system as a form of "Capitalism." Nothing can be farther from truth. Exactly speaking, Islam is a class by itself. But if it can be likened to any of the modern ideologies, that is Socialism. A brief analysis of the economic teachings of Islam in the light of this fact may, therefore, be given, in order to bring into broad relief the role which Islam can play in defeating the challenge of Communism.

(1) Islam is not "Capitalism" because, although it allows private property and gives the scope for personal initiative, it is definitely opposed to the concentration of wealth in the hands of a few. Islam achieves that end by different means, the most important among which are:—

(a) Islam stands for the state-ownership of such "means of production" as the mineral wealth, thus eliminating from its society the steel-barons and the oil-magnates.
(b) Islam prohibits usury and interest in all forms. All students of economics know that the greatest impetus which Capitalism receives today is from the modern system of Banking which functions on the basis of interest. Islam does not permit the rate of interest to rise above zero and conceives the Bank primarily as the medium of commercial transactions.
(c) In the field of Agriculture, Islam does not favour feudal absentee landlordism. Its ideal is the creation of a society of peasant-proprietors.
(d) Among all the systems of Law, the Islamic law of inheritance is the most anti-capitalistic. It stands for the distribution of inherited wealth among the largest number of persons on the basis of the widest margin of relationship.
(e) Islam condemns the hoarding of capital in very strong terms. It imposes a fairly heavy tax on all capital, above a certain minimum standard, for the benefit of the less fortunates.
(2) The Islamic economic system is "socialistic" because:—

(a) From the ultimate point of view, Islam regards the interest of the society above the interest of the individual.
(b) Islam makes it an obligation of the Islamic state to provide for the basic necessities of life, including such 'modem necessities' as health services and free education, for all of its citizens. With that end in view Islam levies a Social Insurance Tax on all persons possessing more than a certain minimum of wealth.
(c) Islam stands for free trade. It is averse to monopolies and favours the participation of the largest number of people in commerce, for which it advocates the creation of Mutual Alliance Societies—Islam's substitute for Capitalistic Banking.
(d) In the field of industry, Islam's ideal is the creation of the "Co-operative Guilds of Workers" where all forms of exploitation as well as unrest and bad blood are eliminated.
(e) Islam, however, does allow private enterprise in industry even as it allows private trade. But then it propounds a socialistic principle of wages. In that connection: (i) It gives freedom to the wage-earner to fix his wages at whatever reasonable level he desires. Simultaneously with this prerogative it safeguards the wage-earner against all possible harm which the 'capitalist' might do to him by closing the doors of livelihood, and for that purpose it creates a fund for the maintenance by the state of all unemployed wage-earners; (ii) The standard of wages which Islam has ordered all the Muslim employers to adhere to is that in which the employee gets the "same to eat" which the employer eats and the "same to wear" which the employer wears. That means equalisation of economic status between the employer and the employee in the basic necessities of life.
(f) Islam does not only demarcate clearly the legitimate (socially good) and the illegitimate (socially evil) means and methods of income but it also limits the legitimate items of expenditure in such a way that in a. truly Islamic society it must become (and it did become in actual fact in the glorious period of Muslim history) impossible to find glaring inequalities in the basic manifestations of economic life. It is in the field of luxuries that most of the social heart-burning is to be found, and Islam sets healthy limits to them. For instance, household articles made of gold and silver have always formed an integral part of aristocratic life. Islam prohibits them definitely. Similarly, Islam prohibits the use of certain types of aristocratic clothes by men. Islam has permitted the Muslims to spend only on such things which have some real utility for the development of human life and it lays down the comprehensive principle that all spare money which one has, after spending on the basic and healthy necessities of life, is a trust of God meant for the improvement of the social health.
(g) As all students of Islam know, Islam establishes "spiritual democracy," "social democracy" and "political democracy" of the most perfect type. The teachings of Islam relating to these three aspects of human life, combined with its economic teachings, if followed in letter and spirit, guarantee the establishment of a classless society where all social conflicts must remain in abeyance.
Only one question pertaining to the present discussion now remains to be answered: How can Islam transmit its spiritual values to the younger generation?

PROBLEM OF THE TRANSMISSION
OF ISLAM'S SPIRITUALVALUES
TO THE YOUNGER GENERATION
Practically speaking, there can be only two media for transmission besides the home, the pulpit and the press, namely: the State and the Educational Institutions. Therefore, on the one hand, the entire system of popular education prevalent in the Muslim countries should be reformed and reconstituted in such a way as to make every Muslim educational institution a vehicle for the transmission of, mainly, the theoretical aspect, and partially, the practical aspect of the Islamic Philosophy of Life; while, on the other hand, every Muslim State should reform itself and its Constitution in such a manner as to become capable of fulfilling all the obligations which Islam places on its shoulders and of establishing the practical model of Islamic political, economic and social teachings. Unless these two media are reformed, the obstacles in the way of the transmission of Islamic values shall continue to remain so overwhelming as to render virtually futile all the influence that might be engendered from the home, the pulpit and the press. This is a truism which hardly needs any proof beyond the examination of the present sad state of affairs obtaining in the Muslim world, where the plant 6f Islamic values is drying up for want of organic nourishment from the educational and political side.
http://www.muslims.ws/library/marxium.htm

ComradeMan
30th November 2009, 11:55
This is also interesting...

MARXISM AND ISLAM: FAILURE AND SUCCESS
by Dr. Manzoor-ul-Haque


MARXISM AND ISLAM: FAILURE AND SUCCESS
Ernest Gellner
1925-1995
For understanding the real merit of this lecture, a gist of what Ernest Gellner wrote is summarized below:
There are two big events of this century: one is the failure of Marxism; the other is the success of Islam. I (Gellner) am an outsider to both. The terms I (Gellner) use are analytical or sociological and do not imply endorsement or condemnation from an absolute viewpoint; they express the judgments of an observer of society concerned sympathetically with the fate of the people involved in these systems.
Success of Islam: A Striking Event of Our Century
A very surprising major striking event is the tremendous success of Islam in maintaining and strengthening itself. Most social scientists accepted the secularization thesis: in modern or industrial societies the hold of religion over society and over the hearts and minds of men declines. This seems more or less true with one striking exception: the world of Islam, where the hold of religion over society and men in the past hundred years has certainly increased.
A Total Collapse of Marxism: Another Event
The other equally surprising event of the century was the unexpected and total collapse of Marxism. It (Marxism) did lack one prominent feature of religion. When religions are established, they retain a hold on the hearts and minds of men, and do not collapse easily. When they do collapse, there is some resistance and struggle; some people remain loyal to their religion. Marxism succeeded in retaining the loyalty of a remarkably small number of its followers.
Strength of Nationalism: A Less Surprising Event
Another somewhat less surprising but not properly anticipated facet of this century was the strength of nationalism. However, for a long time the decline of nationalism was confidently predicted. The syllogism that entails the demise of nationalism has two features: firstly, Marxists and liberals share it, and secondly, it is absolutely cogent. The argument is very simple: Nationalism depends on ethnic, cultural, national differences which it turns into principles of political membership and loyalty. This is unquestionably true. Secondly, the conditions of the industrial world, with the tendency towards mobility, dissolution of local communities, instability, and standardization of communication, erode cultural, linguistic, and ethnic difference. Thus one can conclude that nationalism ultimately collapses in the modern world because the foundations upon which it is built are gradually eroded. Unfortunately, this conclusion does not correspond to the facts.
Islam and Marxism: Reasons
Why has Islam been so astonishingly successful? To put it simply, Islam was divided between a high culture and a low culture. High culture Islam encourages a direct relationship between a unique deity and individual believer; it is not attached to ritual; it contains little magic and supernatural belief, and is heavily moralistic, scripturalist, puritan, monotheistic, and individualistic. It is the Islam of the scholars. My (Gellner's) theory of why Muslim fundamentalism has the astonishing strength is: modern conditions unhinged the pendulum of this unstable oscillation and permanently and definitively shifted the center of gravity away from low Islam and toward high Islam. The reason of this happening is that the process of modernization destroyed those communities that provided the basis for the low culture style of Islam. By turning clansmen, lineage members, villagers, and tribesmen into labor migrants and shantytown dwellers, it atomized the population and prompted them to find their identity in a high culture (based on Islam) that provides an identity shared by all Muslims, uniting them against the outsiders.
Islam's Ratification: A Transition of People
Islam ratified the transition of these people from a rural to an urban world, and it provided an idiom for expressing their change of status from that of rustic ignoramuses to people aspiring to urban sophistication. It also provided a means of criticizing their current rulers. It provided an idiom for those non-Westernized people who take their Islam seriously, as against the technocratic rulers who govern them in virtue of their access to Western technology. On the contrary, what undid Marxism is not its secularism; it was its pantheism that it inherited. The basic messianic ideal of Marxism was to abolish the separation of the sacred from the profane in human life. The idea was that the world is bound to be soiled and miserable, while fulfillment was to be found in another realm; it was merely a reflection of a divided society.
As far as I (Gellner) can see, the difference between the success of Islam and the failure of Marxism is that Marxism was precisely Unitarian and pantheist and wanted a total consummation in this world. It made the real world sacred and spurned the old habit of finding consolation in the sky. Marx's vision of the world was a generalization: the essence of man is work - not aggressiveness, not virility, or status; fulfillment is through work and work is its own reward. This was in opposition to an aristocrat or a working man: the aristocrat does not work at all and the working man works in order to get his salary. The proponents always hoped that there would be a world, in which the rule of thugs and humbugs, of the red and the black, would be replaced by the rule of the people who really work. The essence of Marxism was that it provided a secular counter-answer to the earlier theological absolutism meant to be an implementation of an absolute morality. But it remained a figment of imagination.
Islam has its merits. It is acceptable to the modern world because of its Unitarian, puritanical denial of magic. At the same time it regulates life. It does provide for a zone, which makes it a workable modern religion. It combines firm guidance in an idiom compatible with modern backgrounds, with a respect for the type of social division that is essential for a viable society.
Hungry for Material Improvement

Large parts of the world are still very hungry for material improvement, and the differences between the have and the have-not are still powerful. I (Gellner) do not think this can go on indefinitely." Dr. Manzoor-ul-Haque PAKISTAN http://www.tolueislam.com/Bazm/Manzoor/LT_004.htm

Kayser_Soso
30th November 2009, 13:36
Islamists condemning Marxists? Behold, the hail of rocks flying from the glass house!

mikelepore
30th November 2009, 15:26
This claim is interesting:


....... Jesus ........... said: "Man does not live by bread alone".......... Marxism ........recognises only the validity of the economic value and of naked Materialism.........

Of the five pillars of Islam, one is Zakat, the principle that people who have enough money are required to give charity to the poor. This shows that Islam formally acknowledges the importance of economic production and distribution. However, Marxism, instead of retaining the existence of poverty and then periodically giving its victims partial relief in the form of charity, would plan the affairs of the community so reasonably that no one would be poor in the first place. Therefore, Marxism performs one of the pillars of Islam better than Islam itself does.

It wasn't enough for the author to criticize Marxism for failing to believe in an invisible magical monarch and his choir of angels. The author was also compelled to borrow the Western conservatives' poor scholarship that claims that Marxism values "only" economic measures. I conclude that this author is best understood to be a Barry Goldwater conservative who happened to live in another country.

Kayser_Soso
30th November 2009, 19:33
This claim is interesting:



Of the five pillars of Islam, one is Zakat, the principle that people who have enough money are required to give charity to the poor. This shows that Islam formally acknowledges the importance of economic production and distribution. However, Marxism, instead of retaining the existence of poverty and then periodically giving its victims partial relief in the form of charity, would plan the affairs of the community so reasonably that no one would be poor in the first place. Therefore, Marxism performs one of the pillars of Islam better than Islam itself does.

It wasn't enough for the author to criticize Marxism for failing to believe in an invisible magical monarch and his choir of angels. The author was also compelled to borrow the Western conservatives' poor scholarship that claims that Marxism values "only" economic measures. I conclude that this author is best understood to be a Barry Goldwater conservative who happened to live in another country.

That's not all....here's some knowledge straight from the Quran.

Men shall have the benefit of what
they earn, and women shall have the
benefit of what they earn. Holy Qur’an
4:32

" . . . do not deprive people of what is rightfully theirs by diminishing the value of their things (such as their labor, merchandise, property etc)." (Qur'an, al-'Araf, 7:85; Hud, 11:85; al-Shu'ara, 26:183)

Hmm...That might not be Marxism-Leninism, but it sure tells us that capitalism is haram.

ComradeMan
1st December 2009, 20:55
It is erroneous to quote the Qu'ran as being the sole basis for Muslim thought--- most Islamic thinking derives from the Sunna and Hadith.

synthesis
2nd December 2009, 11:53
Consider the time and place in which this essay was written - 1954, Lebanon. Marxism was still quite prevalent in the Islamic world, and "Islamists" were competing with them for social and political power. The author wanted to draw the line in the sand, so to speak - remind the left-leaning Muslims where their loyalties laid.

Kayser_Soso
2nd December 2009, 11:55
It is erroneous to quote the Qu'ran as being the sole basis for Muslim thought--- most Islamic thinking derives from the Sunna and Hadith.

"Sunnah" means the way of the prophet, which is derived from the Quran and Hadith. The Quran usually trumps the Hadith, because the latter are often the source of disagreement. The Quran definitely is against stealing(capitalism is theft), and from the verses above we may conclude that Allah hates capitalists.

RedAnarchist
2nd December 2009, 12:07
"Sunnah" means the way of the prophet, which is derived from the Quran and Hadith. The Quran usually trumps the Hadith, because the latter are often the source of disagreement. The Quran definitely is against stealing(capitalism is theft), and from the verses above we may conclude that Allah hates capitalists.

Capitalists didn't exist when the Quran was written, though.

Kayser_Soso
2nd December 2009, 19:44
Capitalists didn't exist when the Quran was written, though.

I know, I'm just making the point that like other religions, the texts of Islam are inherently anti-capitalist. The problem is that religions are of course institutions led by men, and thus hypocritical. You may notice for example, that many Islamic websites will claim that some unpleasant verses from the Quran should be looked at in the context of the time, while on the other hand they will state that the Quran is just as applicable today as it always was.

ComradeMan
2nd December 2009, 20:17
"Sunnah" means the way of the prophet, which is derived from the Quran and Hadith. The Quran usually trumps the Hadith, because the latter are often the source of disagreement. The Quran definitely is against stealing(capitalism is theft), and from the verses above we may conclude that Allah hates capitalists.

Hang on a minute...

The Sunnah is not derived from the Qu'ran. The Sunnah is based on the words and deeds of the prophet according to those who new him as validated by his followers/contemporary companions or according to Shi'a the 12 imams. A rough analogy to the Gospels would render the idea.

The Hadith is likewise a kind of commentary based on the words and deeds of the prophet.

Both have been compiled, studied and worked as a kind of "islamology" (cf. christology) by Muslim scholars and as such do not directly represent the divine revelation as the Qu'ran is supposed to do.

As for Allah hating capitalists, seeing as the concept of capitalism as such did not exist in the 7th century I am not sure how you can make that assumption. The God of the Old Testament surely hates capitalists then with the prohibitions against stealing and usury etc.... Although it is certainly interesting to show that some sentiments seem to run through all belief systems I don't think you can really claim that either Allah or HaShem are declaredly anti-capitalists either.

Kayser_Soso
2nd December 2009, 20:21
Hang on a minute...

The Sunnah is not derived from the Qu'ran. The Sunnah is based on the words and deeds of the prophet according to those who new him as validated by his followers/contemporary companions or according to Shi'a the 12 imams. A rough analogy to the Gospels would render the idea.

The Hadith is likewise a kind of commentary based on the words and deeds of the prophet.

Both have been compiled, studied and worked as a kind of "islamology" (cf. christology) by Muslim scholars and as such do not directly represent the divine revelation as the Qu'ran is supposed to do.


The Quran reveals rules and methodology of prayer, ablution, etc., which could be associated with the Sunnah. After all Mohammed was supposed to be doing these things based on what was revealed to him. IIRC, Mohammed once said "pray as I do", for example, meaning during prayer follow my movements. As you probably already know, there are many different ideas about how one should move and what one should say during daily prayers.



As for Allah hating capitalists, seeing as the concept of capitalism as such did not exist in the 7th century I am not sure how you can make that assumption. The God of the Old Testament surely hates capitalists then with the prohibitions against stealing and usury etc.... Although it is certainly interesting to show that some sentiments seem to run through all belief systems I don't think you can really claim that either Allah or HaShem are declaredly anti-capitalists either.


Clearly the irony is lost through the medium of internet forums. I was making a joke. But it matters little since advocates of these religions tell us that their teachings are timeless.

ComradeMan
3rd December 2009, 19:41
Clearly the irony is lost through the medium of internet forums. I was making a joke. But it matters little since advocates of these religions tell us that their teachings are timeless.

Fair play, and you are right with your other points too.

As for jokes on a foum- I agree that messages may come over the wrong way as we lose gesture, tone and expressions of irony easily- even with emoticons!!!
:cool:

Kayser_Soso
4th December 2009, 11:25
Fair play, and you are right with your other points too.

As for jokes on a foum- I agree that messages may come over the wrong way as we lose gesture, tone and expressions of irony easily- even with emoticons!!!
:cool:

It's my fault, I don't usually use them.

Red Icepick
4th December 2009, 18:20
Yeah, Islam is real revolutionary, dudes! I say this only because it's chauvinistic(in this dump anyhow) to say otherwise. "Why don't the Muslims understand that we Marxists are totally cool with them?" It's because you idiots don't get it. A Communist and a Muslim fundamentalist are diametrically opposed. Just because the Great Capitalist Empire the USA is fighting Muslims doesn't mean that Muslims are revolutionary, working-class freedom fighters. Quit being retarded. Obviously, not all Muslims are bad or counter-revolutionary, but the hard-line elements need to be dealt with, and the Soviet Union was well aware of this.

Kayser_Soso
5th December 2009, 07:34
Yeah, Islam is real revolutionary, dudes! I say this only because it's chauvinistic(in this dump anyhow) to say otherwise. "Why don't the Muslims understand that we Marxists are totally cool with them?" It's because you idiots don't get it. A Communist and a Muslim fundamentalist are diametrically opposed. Just because the Great Capitalist Empire the USA is fighting Muslims doesn't mean that Muslims are revolutionary, working-class freedom fighters. Quit being retarded. Obviously, not all Muslims are bad or counter-revolutionary, but the hard-line elements need to be dealt with, and the Soviet Union was well aware of this.

Actually I am well aware that Islamic fundamentalists are opposed to Marxism, and that Islam is philosophically in contradiction with Marxist dialectical materialism.

ComradeMan
5th December 2009, 11:21
Chaps, chaps, let's not single out people/groups here and look at the philosophies rather. We have to accept nutters exist in all groups and with all ideologies I was rather looking more at the essence of the core beliefs- to avoid being shot down as a bigot I tried to find two articles by Muslim scholars that discussed the issue.

Kayser_Soso
5th December 2009, 16:00
I would say that the ruling class shot themselves in the foot when they supported Islamic fundamentalism to fight Communism, and then later declared Communism dead. Before that point, many Arab and Muslim countries had healthy, large socialist movements. Now for many of these oppressed people, the choices seem to be bend over and take whatever humiliation capitalism wishes to inflict on your nation, or forsake all progressive knowledge in favor of a radically backward, fundamentalist interpretation of Islam and becoming a martyr.

ComradeMan
5th December 2009, 16:03
I would say that the ruling class shot themselves in the foot when they supported Islamic fundamentalism to fight Communism, and then later declared Communism dead. Before that point, many Arab and Muslim countries had healthy, large socialist movements. Now for many of these oppressed people, the choices seem to be bend over and take whatever humiliation capitalism wishes to inflict on your nation, or forsake all progressive knowledge in favor of a radically backward, fundamentalist interpretation of Islam and becoming a martyr.

I think you've hit the nail on the head with that one. The problem is that Islam is becoming very radicalised too as an inevitable result and thus we have a nasty vicious circle going on here.

Red Icepick
5th December 2009, 18:45
Actually I am well aware that Islamic fundamentalists are opposed to Marxism, and that Islam is philosophically in contradiction with Marxist dialectical materialism.

Whoa, buddy. Careful you don't get restricted for being a chauvinist.

Lord Testicles
5th December 2009, 18:51
Whoa, buddy. Careful you don't get restricted for being a chauvinist.

I'm pretty sure what he/she said are not grounds for restriction.