Was Stalin a Freemason?

[ComradeMan]

Quick Question:-


Is it true that Stalin was a freemason or is this some weird propaganda?

[Yazman]

I have always been led to believe that Freemasonry was strongly suppressed in the Soviet Union. Therefore it seems unlikely that Stalin would have been a freemason himself, although my knowledge on this suppression is admittedly limited. I will have to look into this issue some more.

It also seems even more unlikely as I believe Stalin was an atheist. In order to become Freemason one must believe in a deity ("god" usually).

[ComradeMan]

It also seemed very unlikely to me, but there are a hell of a lot of sites out there (albeit some a bit wacko) that claim he was a Martinist Freemason.

[Andropov]

There is also a hell of alot of sites out there that say sex with children is good.

[narcomprom]

what we know about young stalin is that he got literate in a theological semenary, wrote decent nationalist poetry, joined the outlawed social democrats and organised strikes in baku for what he was sent to siberia. in theory nothing held him back to join the masons if they weren't an anarchronism at the place and time. the only role they still played in russia outside of the high society in petersburg was one of a scarecrow in conservative press.

anarchists, socialists, liberals etc. were often proclaimed to be a part of an anti-christian conspiracy bent on world domination either of freemasons or of the jews (or, in case of the notorious 1905 "protocols of the elders of zion" of "judaeomasons"). during and immediately after the russian civil war white emigrées published quite a lot of pamphlets and newspaper articles exposing various bolsheviks eithers as masons or as jews or both. to me that seems a likely source about stalin's membership in that organisation.

[Forward Union]

He wouldn't have been allowed in as he was a known Atheist

[Honggweilo]

probably the same morons who called on the "judeo-bolshevik-freemason" conspiracy like Hitler and Franco


According to Michael Kellogg, the author of The Russian Roots of Nazism. White Émigrés and the Making of National Socialism, 1917–1945:

In his groundbreaking 1939 book, L’Apocalypse de notre temps: Les dessous de la propagande allemande d’après des documents inédits (The Apocalypse of Our Times: The Hidden Side of German Propaganda According to Unpublished Documents), Henri Rollin stressed that "Hitlerism" represented a form of "anti-Soviet counter-revolution" which employed the "myth of a mysterious Jewish-Masonic-Bolshevik plot." Rollin investigated the National Socialist belief, which was taken primarily from White émigré views, that a vast Jewish-Masonic conspiracy had provoked World War Ⅰ, toppled the Russian, German, and Austro-Hungarian Empires, and unleashed Bolshevism after undermining the existing order through the insidious spread of liberal ideas. German forces promptly destroyed Rollin’s work in 1940 after they occupied France, and the book has remained in obscurity ever since.[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Bolshevism#cite_note-5)

[narcomprom]

According to Michael Kellogg, the author of The Russian Roots of Nazism
I'm surprised to see this decidedly neoconservative book quoted here.
the author goes as far to claim that fascism was a product of people who personally witnessed the horrors of red terror. hitler, he claims there, was a communist during ww1 but discovered racist ideas having joined the organisation "Aufbau" set up by Mr.Rosenberg and other immigrants like him which proves how the progressives are to blame for fascism.

[New Tet]

Quick Question:-


Is it true that Stalin was a freemason or is this some weird propaganda?

Stalin was a notorious Republican teabagger and Birther. Look it up.

[ComradeMan]

Stalin was a notorious Republican teabagger and Birther. Look it up.


What is a Republican teabagger? :)

[New Tet]

What is a Republican teabagger? :)

An excuse to make lame jokes over silly questions.

[gorillafuck]

What is a Republican teabagger? :)
Someone who attends the "Tea Party" protests that were happening about a month ago in the USA. They were right wingers protesting having any changes (however small they are) in our healthcare system.

[ComradeMan]

Someone who attends the "Tea Party" protests that were happening about a month ago in the USA. They were right wingers protesting having any changes (however small they are) in our healthcare system.

I really don't get that. I know it's off topic, but what the hell is wrong with a public healthcare system? What is the problem in the US with Obama's plan?

[gorillafuck]

I really don't get that. I know it's off topic, but what the hell is wrong with a public healthcare system? What is the problem in the US with Obama's plan?
They think it's going to raise taxes and make healthcare worse. Or something.

[ComradeMan]

They think it's going to raise taxes and make healthcare worse. Or something.


Could it be any worse than it is for at least 20 million Americans if not more...?

[Manifesto]

I really don't get that. I know it's off topic, but what the hell is wrong with a public healthcare system? What is the problem in the US with Obama's plan?
Yes it is taxes but from what I have them say they do not want the rich to be taxed heavily since they believe the trickle-down theory works and that less people will want to be doctors because they will be payed less.

[Guest1]

Shouldn't this be moved to learning?

[gorillafuck]

Could it be any worse than it is for at least 20 million Americans if not more...?
They don't think that way.

It's not like I'm trying to defend them, I'm just saying what they think.

[Tatarin]

It could be possible that Stalin did join a group calling themselves masons. I mean, Freemasonry did begin amongs workers once upon a time. But as masonry today is only attracting richer folks, I doubt it. Besides, as far as I know, they are opposed to "all totalitarian societies" i.e. they are against communism. Unless there is a socialist lodge no one knows about.

Also, consider the application of any secret society. What would the purpose be of such a society in a socialist nation? And imagine the use of such organizations by the intelligence communities of various countries. Besides, I doubt many current de-facto socialist states would allow such societies.

[Honggweilo]

[/I]I'm surprised to see this decidedly neoconservative book quoted here.
the author goes as far to claim that fascism was a product of people who personally witnessed the horrors of red terror. hitler, he claims there, was a communist during ww1 but discovered racist ideas having joined the organisation "Aufbau" set up by Mr.Rosenberg and other immigrants like him which proves how the progressives are to blame for fascism.

rather unfortunate i had to copy-pasta that bit, but it was the only relevant part on wikipedia on the "judeo-bolshevik-freemason" conspiracy :rolleyes:

[Kayser_Soso]

Answer to the original question: No. This is most likely just another run-of-the-mill conspiracy theory. Others have tried to claim Stalin was Jewish, or that he was once married to Rosa Kaganovich(which somehow made him a tool of the Jews). It's all bullshit.

On the matter of healthcare, there IS something wrong with Obama's plan, in the sense that it isn't universal healthcare. And yet the Tea Party retards act as if his pathetic, pro-insurance company plan is going to mean executing gradma, possibly with a shotgun blast to the sternum.

[ZeroNowhere]

I really don't get that. I know it's off topic, but what the hell is wrong with a public healthcare system? What is the problem in the US with Obama's plan?
Nothing.

At least, for the insurance companies.

[ComradeMan]

Answer to the original question: No. This is most likely just another run-of-the-mill conspiracy theory. Others have tried to claim Stalin was Jewish, or that he was once married to Rosa Kaganovich(which somehow made him a tool of the Jews). It's all bullshit.



Thought it sounded like rubbish... although there's a hell of a lot of stuff out there.