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IllicitPopsicle
28th November 2009, 20:51
By AgentOrange


If Jesus did in fact exist and he will in fact be reincarnated, his re-arrival to Earth is gonna be fucked by the very religion he created. Due to the rise of the ultra-capitalist, ultra-conservative, fundamentalist televangelist scam-junkies, his rebirth will be called a farce on television (right after the call for donations so that the 150,000 sq.ft mega-ultra-superchurch can be expanded, gentrifying/eminent-domaining hundreds of poor households in the process) and his credibility will be shot upon exiting the womb (and, by the way, this time it won’t be an immaculate conception).

He’ll be birthed in Atlanta or Birmingham - or fuck, even L.A. - by a latina/black single mom, and there will be nothing special about his birth. No Jedi shit, no “I knew he was special, even as I had him,” just a birth. Hell, it might even be a C-section. She’ll take him home to her dive - a crappy one-room apartment in the bad part of town - and try to raise him the best she can on her slew of poverty-wage, part-time jobs. She will rarely, if ever, have time to nurture him or even raise him.

He learns to be self-sufficient by age 12, finding edible food in dumpsters and from sympathetic small-business owners. He excels in school, despite not having an incentive, because he knows there’s something more for him past the shit he’s forced to live in. All the little pious rich white kids mock him, because their big pious rich white parents told them that the little poor black/latino kid who doesn’t even go to a good church - if at all - is supposed to be Jesus, and that’s a sacrilege. So kick his ass, little Johnny. He deserves it.

As a result, Jesus learns how to fight. He also learns to hate religion as a result of his torment at the hands of people who are supposed to be following his every footstep, and becomes an atheist (yeah, that’s right, Jesus is an atheist). By the time he turns 16, he’s developed a taste in political music - rap, punk rock, even some metal - and has already found anarchism on some subconscious level. His grades in high school remain high, but scholarships are scarce. He doesn’t like sports, despite being physically fit, and he gains a strong sense of feminism and environmentalism from watching his mother support him and from the experiences he had as a youth. There’s even a possibility he might be gay.

He receives his first true anarchist pamphlet at the first punk show he goes to. It’s being held at a little place called an Infoshop, and the front of the building is stocked full of stimulating literature for the young adult, updated version of the Savior to pore through. He becomes a disciple of Noam Chomsky, Emma Goldman, Hakim Bey and others, and starts his own Zine, writing, drawing on, printing and distributing it in his high school and around his town. He even sends copies of it - a 5.5X8.5 folded and stapled rag called “RAD GOSPEL,” filled with music, photos and radical politics, and with the headline “Fuck The System, Cause I’m Back, *****” - to some other underground music and culture magazines, where his masterpiece gets rave reviews.

Eventually, the small-time evangelists get wind that lil’ Jesus is reppin and steppin in their Holy territory, and they like it not one bit. Their weekly sermons turn from calls for more profit to hate-filled diatribes against him, saying his message of “DIY OR DIE!” is one direct from “SATAN HIMSELF,” that the kid who is really the Christian Savior is the Antichrist instead, and on and on. And so it happens that the angry and ignorant adults run him outta town.

He hitches up to Seattle and makes it just in time for the 15th anniversary of the 1999 WTO protests, where he finds an under-the-surface makeshift city alive with the comings and goings of real-life anarchists. Finally, a chance for Jesus to make a difference!

For days, Jesus walks around the camp, learning how to make barricades, lockboxes, how to patch up small wounds gotten from rubber bullets and other useful trades of the revolution; when the big day of protest comes, he mops the place up with his awesomeness. No cop can take him down with any of their weapons or by brute force.

Jesus becomes the most wanted - and subsequently the favorite - anarchist in the country, committing hundreds, if not thousands, of crimes against the police state, corporate interests and other tools of oppression. He continues his zine distribution, gathering more and more friends, pen pals and “disciples.”

When he’s in his thirties, he launches a massive firebombing campaign against the modern Christian church system, destroying the televangelists who tried to destroy him, ending the illusion his religion caused. He takes out the final block to a truly free society, and the country ascends into anarchy.

The end.

greymatter
28th November 2009, 21:48
I just hope that Jesus reads some of the anti-terror legislation the fundamentalists wrote back during the Bush administration. They were probably anticipating his arrival.

ComradeMan
28th November 2009, 21:56
Very good points. I believe under US law, Jesus would not be allowed to appear on TV as it is illegal to proclaim yourself messiah on national television or something. So there you go, 2000 years and nothing has changed other than a bit of technology.

But remember, Jesus didn't create any religion. Man created a religion around Jesus.

Jesus was in a sense an anarcho-communist.

I find it saddening how his truths and philosophies have been so perverted and manipulated and also how many in leftwing circles find it "cool" to attack Jesus and spirituality- making no distinction between clericalism, religion and spirituality.

I don't care what ideology it is--- leave me my soul to me.

gorillafuck
29th November 2009, 03:57
Jesus seems like he would be anti-capitalist, but he would also be socially conservative.

RedSonRising
29th November 2009, 10:17
Jesus seems like he would be anti-capitalist, but he would also be socially conservative.

I agree with that, however the implementation of socially conservative values would seem more of a social non-law related method of influence in society, at least to me. While coercion was a large part of the Old Testament, it is lacking in the faith-based/love-based arguments that the New testament provides in validating the religion's foundations.

Comrade Gwydion
29th November 2009, 10:54
Jesus seems like he would be anti-capitalist, but he would also be socially conservative.

I think he would be Buddhist.
He wouldn't be socially conservatives on points like women rights, gay rights, tolerance etc.
Where he would be 'socially conservative' is on his condemnation of wild parties, drug/alcohol abuse, and consumerism.
Even according the official church version, Jesus saved a hooker!

(Who, most likely, was not just a hooker but actually a priestess of an older religion:rolleyes: (pagan fundamentalism ftw: your religion is ours! ;))

ComradeMan
29th November 2009, 11:30
Jesus seems like he would be anti-capitalist, but he would also be socially conservative.


I don't think Jesus would be socially conservative at all. At the end of the day Jesus' message was that of forgiveness anyway and not judging lest you be judged.

The problem with all of this is separating Jesus from the established religion and dogma built around him- as with all "religions".

9
29th November 2009, 11:32
He’ll be birthed in Atlanta or Birmingham - or fuck, even L.A. - by a latina/black single mom, and there will be nothing special about his birth.
Ignoring (out of sheer necessity) the rest of your... lofty... claims, on what basis would you assume that when Jesus.... comes back to life.......he will be born in the US? It is a big world, you know. After all, in the myth, Jesus is born in Bethlehem. Bethlehem is, as I'm sure you're aware, in the West Bank (i.e. Palestine).


Very good points. I believe under US law, Jesus would not be allowed to appear on TV as it is illegal to proclaim yourself messiah on national television or something.

No wonder I've had so much trouble! :lol:



So there you go, 2000 years and nothing has changed other than a bit of technology.Indeed, what better indication of the sorry state of this world does one need than the alleged existence of a law prohibiting proclamations of grand divinity.....
Granted, Sabbatai Zevi didn't seem to have any problem. Well, except toward the end there, I guess..



But remember, Jesus did create any religion. Man created a religion around Jesus.
So who, according to you, created Judaism? You do know that Jesus was an adherent of Judaism, I hope?



Jesus was in a sense an anarcho-communist.

I find it saddening how his truths and philosophies have been so perverted and manipulated and also how many in leftwing circles find it "cool" to attack Jesus and spirituality- making no distinction between clericalism, religion and spirituality.

I don't care what ideology it is--- leave me my soul to me.Of course, responsible Marxists don't think it's "cool" to attack Jesus. It is, however, necessary for materialists to dismiss irrational ideas, especially when they constitute entire reactionary doctrines in the way the Abrahamic religions do. Anyway, you are an anarchist; doesn't that mean you reject absolute rulers and authoritarian canons which dictate rules to you? If so, you might want to try reading the Bible, particularly the Tanakh/Old Testament, which - correct me if I'm wrong - is what Jesus adhered to.

Revy
29th November 2009, 12:04
No credible evidence suggests that Jesus even existed.

9
29th November 2009, 12:10
^Nor is there any record of his existence until (if I'm remembering correctly) around thirty years after he supposedly died. Which, let's face it, is a little curious, right? The Son of God is born and executed and resurrected and nobody records a word of it the whole time until thirty years later... :D

ComradeMan
29th November 2009, 13:11
You see this is the problem. People confuse Jesus the man, with Jesus the creation of later theology and the Roman Church. There were sects of early Christianity that did not hold a divine view of Jesus at all. Islam teaches a similar doctrine in that he is held to be a prophet.

There is no material evidence to suggest that Buddha existed nor Mohammed.

As for the point about who created Judaism... it's seems to be a non sequitur, Jesus did not create Christianity... Christianity was created around a Jew called Jesus. On that basis you could argue that Buddha was a Hindu and Mohammed a pagan... originally for that was their cultural background.

Holden Caulfield
29th November 2009, 13:17
No credible evidence suggests that Jesus even existed.

None of the people who wrote about him could agree on any facts, such as his parentage...

9
29th November 2009, 16:31
You see this is the problem. People confuse Jesus the man, with Jesus the creation of later theology and the Roman Church. There were sects of early Christianity that did not hold a divine view of Jesus at all. Islam teaches a similar doctrine in that he is held to be a prophet.

Wait, what? But in this thread you're all talking about Jesus coming back to life or whatever... so clearly you think he was "divine".



As for the point about who created Judaism... it's seems to be a non sequitur, Jesus did not create Christianity... Christianity was created around a Jew called Jesus. On that basis you could argue that Buddha was a Hindu and Mohammed a pagan... originally for that was their cultural background.I'm not talking about cultural background, I'm talking about the religion to which Jesus (mythical or otherwise) adhered. He was supposedly a rabbi, no? So clearly, assuming he existed, he adhered to a (very dogmatic) religion.

ComradeMan
29th November 2009, 16:48
Wait, what? But in this thread you're all talking about Jesus coming back to life or whatever... so clearly you think he was "divine".

No, that wasn't my initial point- I was referring to the opening post of the thread- pointing out the irony that if a hypothetical Jesus were to come back to a very "Christian" right US he would not be allowed on TV. I would explain my spiritual view of Jesus but I don't think it's the time and the place and as each person's soul is individual then there is little point in arguing about what we believe at that level.

I'm not talking about cultural background, I'm talking about the religion to which Jesus (mythical or otherwise) adhered. He was supposedly a rabbi, no? So clearly, assuming he existed, he adhered to a (very dogmatic) religion.

Well rabbi's didn't really exist in the modern sense of the term. In fact, most of what we recognise as rabbinical Judaism might seem rather strange to a "Jew" of the time, pre-Diaspora that is. Remember, modern Judaism in its forms represents the remnants of what managed to survive the Exile and the Diaspora. It is well seen with the Nag Hammadi texts and the Qumran documents that "other" forms of "Isrealite" religion existed and were in conflict. Anyway, Jesus was neither a Pharisee nor a Saducee the term rabbi is rather loose and probably meant something more like "teacher", or had it been the 1960's "guru".

Jesus' religion according to the Gnostic texts seems to have been a radical departure from what we understand to have been Judaism at the time and might well exlpain why the established Temple religion had it in for him.

IllicitPopsicle
29th November 2009, 18:28
My original intention was, of course, satire. I find it would be hilarious to see Jesus (if he/she existed - something I made clear at the top of the "essay") as the total antithesis of what the fundamentalists fantasize about. I could have had him/her birthed anywhere in the world; I only wrote about what I know about, and that is US cities. Not to mention, it serves my purpose to have him/her reside in the US. That's where the majority of the right-wing neoconservative fundamentalists hang out.

I live in the bible belt, folks. Just having a bit of fun and letting off some steam.

IllicitPopsicle
29th November 2009, 18:35
Ignoring (out of sheer necessity) the rest of your... lofty... claims, on what basis would you assume that when Jesus.... comes back to life.......he will be born in the US? It is a big world, you know. After all, in the myth, Jesus is born in Bethlehem. Bethlehem is, as I'm sure you're aware, in the West Bank (i.e. Palestine).



No wonder I've had so much trouble! :lol:

Indeed, what better indication of the sorry state of this world does one need than the alleged existence of a law prohibiting proclamations of grand divinity.....
Granted, Sabbatai Zevi didn't seem to have any problem. Well, except toward the end there, I guess..

So who, according to you, created Judaism? You do know that Jesus was an adherent of Judaism, I hope?

Of course, responsible Marxists don't think it's "cool" to attack Jesus. It is, however, necessary for materialists to dismiss irrational ideas, especially when they constitute entire reactionary doctrines in the way the Abrahamic religions do. Anyway, you are an anarchist; doesn't that mean you reject absolute rulers and authoritarian canons which dictate rules to you? If so, you might want to try reading the Bible, particularly the Tanakh/Old Testament, which - correct me if I'm wrong - is what Jesus adhered to.

Your points are valid, of course - but then, you seem to be approaching my "essay" with a literal stance. I'm an atheist. I don't give a damn about christianity, judaism, islam or the others. The only reason I pay attention to them at all is because they seem to be the source of all the wars, death and destruction currently. (Other factors contribute to this, of course...)

ComradeOm
1st December 2009, 13:48
He receives his first true anarchist pamphlet at the first punk show he goes to:lol:


Jesus was in a sense an anarcho-communistYou have perhaps not read Matthew 22:21