Is opposition islam right wing?

[Frank Little]

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[rebelmouse]

you give lack of information. the same I can ask: is opposing of globalization automatically left wing? of course, it is not, right wing also don't like globalization.
right wing standpoint is serving to capital and authorities, so if they opposite Islam, they do it as part of imperialist and war politics.
therefore it is better to opposite all religions, not only one. all religions create hierarchy and beliefs in leadership ("Jesus will care about us, we should believe in him instead to fight against riches with aim to take our life in our hands") and all religious leaders make money and power from religion.

[KarlMarx1989]

Do you mean opposition to Islam or some kind of group of Muslims?

[KarlMarx1989]

Then, no. An opposition to one religion is no different than the opposition to another. Religion kills people. It takes common sense to figure that out; even if it means you don't pick a side.

Although, it is natural for an American Muslism to be left. Naturally because there is a major support and bias for christians. It still doesn't put one on the other side for opposing it.

[pastradamus]

I've been over this a whole heap of times, in various threads on this site and indeed in discussions with other leftists. Its always a good question and the OP did well to ask it.

Islam, like any other religion is complete drivel. It rivals Christianity as one of the two major reactionary doctrines in the modern world. Socialism, on the other hand is a philosophy that has evolved out of questioning the various forms of hierarchy of civilization. It asks questions as to why one group is oppressed and as to why one group thrives from the exploitation of the oppressed. Christianity, like Islam tells one not to worry and to simply subject to this oppression using the promise of an afterlife as an escape from reality - Religion is an opiate and opiate's kill pain. What opiates do no do is cure a disease. That's where us leftist come in.

Islam is a sexist, homophobic, oppressing, anti-leftist doctrine full of hate and is a complete nonsensical piece of antiquated feces. Muslim Clerics, Reactionaries and neo-liberals have coined this new phrase known as "Islamophobia" in a vain effort to couple a dislike for Islam with real Concepts such as Racism, Sexism and homophobia. There is nothing wrong with questioning a religion. So yes, Go tell Ismalmic people that their religion is bullshit, go tell christians that theirs is akin.

Leftism demands that you stand up and fight on your feet - Religion Demands that you Kneel down and obey.

Nobody that uses their Religion in a political way can ever be considered left-wing in my own opinion.

[Tjong]

Islam is a sexist, homophobic, oppressing, anti-leftist doctrine full of hate and is a complete nonsensical piece of antiquated feces

Are you implying that every muslim is a sexist homophobic oppressing anti-leftist? I have some muslim friends and they are some of the brightest leftists there are. Not every muslim is a radical, following the Qur'an isn't the same thing as taking everything that it says literally. You don't see every christian stone their wife too right? The Qur'an really has some progressive elements. Do you consider Malcolm X and Mumia abu Jamal to not be left wing either?

[pastradamus]

Are you implying that every muslim is a sexist homophobic oppressing anti-leftist?

This is exactly what im talking about. Let me make this clear... ISLAM is a fucking Joke. Religion in general is a fucking joke. Stop taking things out of context, read what I said. I personally dont discriminate against people on the basis of their religion, However if they use it against me politically I'll defend myself and go on the offensive. Im simply say that religion and Socialism dont mix very well in theory.


I have some muslim friends and they are some of the brightest leftists there are.

Im not disputing that. Fair play to them.


following the Qur'an isn't the same thing as taking everything that it says literally.

I know that. But what about those that do? What im talking about is that the basic fundamentals of religion are an absurdity. Its a process of Non-Thinking and simply relying on blind faith with no clear evidence. Radical Leftist political theory studies society scientifically on the basis of how things work and operate within a system - Fundamentally in huge opposition to religion.


You don't see every christian stone their wife too right? The Qur'an really has some progressive elements. Do you consider Malcolm X and Mumia abu Jamal to not be left wing either?

Well I've seen some of them do it! Its a practice in parts of Africa amongst both muslims and christians and is protected by law. Whilst I do consider Malcom x and Mumia to be left-wing I certainly do not accept their and Politically Religious views. Basically I believe in secular societies comrade.

[Wanted Man]

So yes, Go tell Ismalmic people that their religion is bullshit, go tell christians that theirs is akin.

You regularly do this?

[Revy]

We've had this discussion plenty of times. There tend to be idiots on both sides of the debate, one, that think that the left spends too much time apologizing for Islam and therefore must criticize it in some special way, and the other, which believes that any criticism of Islamism is "Islamophobic". There was even one poster who shrilly declared RevLeft to be ridden with Islamophobia because we didn't entertain their delusional acceptance of the concept of "Shari'a socialism".

Extremist religion is a cancer on the earth, which must be combated ideologically not coddled.

However, freedom of religion is part and parcel of socialism, along with secularism. Everyone will be free to be religious, because unlike religious conceptions of law, socialist jurisprudence is just and fair. Churches, mosques, synagogues, temples will all continue to exist, religious communities will continue to exist.

Although I believe atheism (in my own broad definition, the lack of belief in a personal God) to be far more rational, who am I to force that on anyone? Most people who are religious aren't permanently rigid in their thinking about certain topics religion is known to be conservative on (abortion, homosexuality, etc).

Islam, will not be treated any differently than any other religion, to suggest as much, is Islamophobic.

[pastradamus]

You regularly do this?
Haha :lol: No man, I simply meant to demonstrate that religion is something that should be questioned.

[RadioRaheem84]

I have to be honest, the socialist concept seems to mix far better with Christianity than it does with Islam but even then not so much as no religion really does.Yet, I think that Islam is the religion that is least compatible with socialism. I don't even know why or how Muslims can believe both in this left-over feudal religion and socialism. I find it very strange that an Imperialist like Muhammad can be viewed as a left winger. It also irks me whenever women in those countries believe that their subjugation is actually liberation. OK, I will say no more because I know that there are great socialists out there who are also Muslim. But in answer to the OPs question, no it's not right wing to be against Islam. The right is against Islam because they're racist and bigoted. Yes, they can see the obvious flaws in it and the oppression it exhumes but they use it for the benefit of pushing out the elements that they hate in their own country.

[Nwoye]

On the contrary there are entire nations who follow/followed Islamic socialism. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_socialism)
do you seriously just support anyone who calls themselves a socialist?

[RadioRaheem84]

How many Chrisitian socialists have come to power of late?


Don't know what your opinion is of Clement Atlee but he was preferable to Muammar Abu Minyar al-Gaddafi.

[RadioRaheem84]

Its your preference, but Britain was never a Christian socialist nation.

Nor is Libya a socialist country.

[Manifesto]

Then, no. An opposition to one religion is no different than the opposition to another. Religion kills people. It takes common sense to figure that out; even if it means you don't pick a side.

Thats like saying Darwinism kills people.

[Revy]

To reiterate, as long as religion does not take an oppressive role who cares. Religion has been used as an excuse to oppress people, on the basis of their gender, their sexual orientation, their religion and even ethnicity.

It is naive to pin all the world's problems on religion, though. It certainly plays a role but so does capitalism and imperialism.

[Red_Xan]

Not really. Even though right-wingers usually oppose islam, usually someone opposes a certain religion is only doing so to promote their own religion, or to condemn a certain ethnic group.

[pastradamus]

Not really. Even though right-wingers usually oppose islam, usually someone opposes a certain religion is only doing so to promote their own religion, or to condemn a certain ethnic group.

When I question a religion than what religion am I promoting or what ethnic group am I condeming?