HU turns 2

[Prairie Fire]

Comrades,

Okay, for those who wonder (and I have seen recent threads with mentions to our organization), The Hoxhaist Union turned two years old recently.

We don't have statement yet, but it'll come out pretty soon.

For those interested in what we are up to lately, check out:

http://theredphoenix.wordpress.com/

http://www.americanpartyoflabor.org (http://go2.wordpress.com/?id=725X1342&site=theredphoenix.wordpress.com&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.americanpartyoflabor.org%2F)

This is the HU's practical work in the United States. There are contact numbers available on on both.

So, another year, another struggle.

Red salute!

http://www.revleft.com/vb/picture.php?albumid=29&pictureid=4263

[Il Medico]

Wow. Talk about ironic timing.

[khad]

Wow. Talk about ironic timing.
Refer to George Carlin's explanation:

http://www.sense.net/~blaine/funstuff/carlin.html (http://www.sense.net/%7Eblaine/funstuff/carlin.html)


If I were in charge of the networks
excerpt from George Carlin's book, Brain Droppings

Irony deals with opposites; it has nothing to do with coincidence. If two baseball palyers from the same hometown, on different teams, receive the same uniform number, it is not ironic. It is a coincidence. If Barry Bonds attains lifetime statistics identical to his father’s it will not be ironic. It will be a coincidence. Irony is "a state of affairs that is the reverse of what was to be expected; a result opposite to and in mockery of the appropriate result." For instance:

* If a diabetic, on his way to buy insulin, is killed by a runaway truck, he is the victim of an accident. If the truck was delivering sugar, he is the victim of an oddly poetic coincidence. But if the truck was delivering insulin, ah! Then he is the victim of an irony.

* If a Kurd, after surviving bloody battle with Saddam Hussein’s army and a long, difficult escape through the mountains, is crushed and killed by a parachute drop of humanitarian aid, that, my friend, is irony writ large.

* Darryl Stingley, the pro football player, was paralyzed after a brutal hit by Jack Tatum. Now Darryl Stingley’s son plays football, and if the son should become paralyzed while playing, it will not be ironic. It will be coincidental. If Darryl Stingley’s son paralyzes someone else, that will be closer to ironic. If he paralyzes Jack Tatum’s son that will be precisely ironic.

[Prairie Fire]

Wow. Talk about ironic timing.


How so?

[khad]

How so?
It's just coincidentally concurrent with the debate over Panda Tse Tsung's infractions, one of which infamously involved the Hoxhaist Union.

[MarxSchmarx]

Happy birthday to you, happy birthday to you, happy birthday deee~ar Hoxhaist Union, happy birth day to you.

Now make a special wish.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Fire it up!

http://sigarchi.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/stalin_smoking.jpg

[Honggweilo]

http://radiofreepeterborough.ca/files/happy-second.jpg

[RedAnarchist]

How come you use the Albanian national symbol in the logo? I know Hoxha was Albanian, but wouldn't that make people think that you had some sort of link to nationalists?

[Il Medico]

I point you to the dictionary. I would assume you are aware that words can be used in a variety of ways. I was using situational irony, as in things do not happen as one would expect.
It is the fifth definition in this particular online dictionary.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/irony

[Jazzratt]

I point you to the dictionary. I would assume you are aware that words can be used in a variety of ways. I was using situational irony, as in things do not happen as one would expect.
It is the fifth definition in this particular online dictionary.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/irony

Well the Oxford English dictionary I have here and which I use in preference of dictionary.com (because dictionary.com is bollocks) describes it thus:


1) the act of expressing one's true opinion or intention by saying the opposite of one's thoughts in order to make one's remarks forceful, esp by praising and not blaming 2) an event, situation etc which is itself desirable, but which, because of circumstances is of little or no value.

Also the online Oxford English dictionary gives us something closer to your definition:


irony

/irhttp://www.askoxford.com/images/phonetics/schwa.gifni/
• noun (pl. ironies) 1 the expression of meaning through the use of language which normally signifies the opposite, typically for humorous effect. 2 a state of affairs that appears perversely contrary to what one expects.


Looks like turning to "the" dictionary doesn't really work. Regardless I would hardly charchterise the other events occuring concurrently with the HU's birthday as rendering it of little or no value. Even by your defenition I'm sceptical of the "irony" because the events aren't exactly unexpected - or at least not in a way that would make it ironic (i.e being "perversely contrary" to expectation).

[Dimentio]

How is the relationship between the HU and the APL?

Is the HU an actual labour union?

[Pirate Utopian]

I'd like to congratule both members of HU.

[Sasha]

that must be one wild party!!!

sent in the strippers (m/f), break out the dope, hit another keg, this party will end up in the historybooks.....

[coda]

ha, funny to see Elijah Craig turn up after all these years. recycled "revolutionaries", i suppose.

[Comrade Gwydion]

Wasn't hoxha, like, I dunno, a dick?

[hugsandmarxism]

http://www.revleft.com/vb/picture.php?albumid=212&pictureid=2571

Throw an 's' on the end or something. ;)

[Panda Tse Tung]

congrats :).

[Holden Caulfield]

I'd like to congratule both members of HU.

:lol::lol::thumbup1:

[Honggweilo]

How come you use the Albanian national symbol in the logo? I know Hoxha was Albanian, but wouldn't that make people think that you had some sort of link to nationalists?
pretty much

http://www.mmurat-tasar.net/Kosova-UCK/uck_logo.gif

[Prairie Fire]

Red Anarchist:

How come you use the Albanian national symbol in the logo? I know Hoxha was Albanian, but wouldn't that make people think that you had some sort of link to nationalists?


Perhaps, and I think this has been brought up before internally.

I didn't design the logo, so I unless we vote to replace it, there is very little I can do.

Dimentio,

How is the relationship between the HU and the APL?

Similar to the relationship between RIM and RCP-USA.


Is the HU an actual labour union?

I've been asked this a few times.

No, we are not a labour union, but we work closely with organized labour.

Pirate Utopian:

I'd like to congratule both members of HU.


Cute. There are a minimum of twelve different names on the online newspaper (and those are only the ones who write and contribute), but whatever.

Make the easy joke, and get a cheap laugh.

Comrade Gwydion:

Wasn't hoxha, like, I dunno, a dick?


God, I love "bro" politics.

The political scale that stretchs from "That guy is pimp" to "that guys a dick".


Anyways, thanks to all the well wishers.

[Pirate Utopian]

Make the easy joke, and get a cheap laugh.
:cool: That's how I roll.

[Jazzratt]

God, I love "bro" politics.

The political scale that stretchs from "That guy is pimp" to "that guys a dick".

What was it that suggested that the other end of the scale when calling Hoxha a dick was calling him pimp? Using informal langauge doesn't immediatly mean someone subscribes to "bro" politics, that's just fucking asinine.

Well done on holding together another year and all that, though.

[Dimentio]

I am so sorry. What is the purpose of the Hoxhaist Union? Is it an international? A revolutionary party? A social network for hoxhaists?

And I do not understand the difference between hoxhaism and ordinary straightforward "anti-revisionism" (or stalinism) either. But I guess that lies beyond me.

[#FF0000]

Happy Birthday HU~

[Andres Marcos]

Thanks to all the well wishers.

[ls]

There is one simple question that remains unanswered: what is the Hoxhaist Union?

It appears to just be an elaborate way of saying "I'm a Hoxhaist", if not correct me.

[Comrade Gwydion]

Not really clear on what 'bro politics' are, but I quess there can be three explainations
a) 'brotherhood of men': pro-male, anti female
b) very informal politics
c) politics ad hominem.

At the first one, I can assure you, not intended.
On b&c, what the fuck do you expect, this is chit-chat. I just didn't feel like putting down a whole essay on why I fucking hate everybody here worshipping dictators. Seriously, it's just waiting on the first Ceausescu-group to be started.

And yes, 'Combat-Liberalism'-group, you can register this in your group if you like.

[Pogue]

What a crap organisation, doesn't even seem to have much point to it, especially seeing as Hoxha's regime collapsed.

Why even post about it on here. Sounds like shameless self promotion. Is the Albanian nationalist symbol suprising? Anti-Revisionists aren't even internationalist anyway, the whole ideology of Stalinism is pretty much based on defence of nations, regimes, especially in imperialist conflicts.

I guess we can just thank our lucky stars it probably is absolutely tiny, and being a fringe personality cult, unlikely to grow, because the politics stink and such groups really do more harm than good.

In short, outside of your own imagination, this group and thread are equally as pointless as each other.

[ls]

There's still no explanation as to what it actually is, perhaps it's just another name for the APL, at least linking the red phoenix and the APL website as "its online presence" lead me to conclude just that.

Anyone got any other suggestions about what it is? A Hoxha themed theme park in the making? Hoxhaists who joined the WWE/WWF's UNION ("Union of People You OUghta Respect, Son") of wrestlers? Answers on the back of a postcard please.

[Honggweilo]

worshipping dictators. Seriously, it's just waiting on the first Ceausescu-group to be started.

Actually a while back someone founded the "Ceausescuist Union" :rolleyes: on revleft

[Rjevan]

Well, congrats! :)

And speaking of the Albanian eagle, is this one I stumbled across (don't remember how) awesome or is it awesome?
http://www.travisjmorgan.com/blog/art/albanianeagle2z.jpg

[LeninBalls]

What a crap organisation, doesn't even seem to have much point to it, especially seeing as Hoxha's regime collapsed.

Why even post about it on here. Sounds like shameless self promotion. Is the Albanian nationalist symbol suprising? Anti-Revisionists aren't even internationalist anyway, the whole ideology of Stalinism is pretty much based on defence of nations, regimes, especially in imperialist conflicts.

I guess we can just thank our lucky stars it probably is absolutely tiny, and being a fringe personality cult, unlikely to grow, because the politics stink and such groups really do more harm than good.

In short, outside of your own imagination, this group and thread are equally as pointless as each other.

Anarcho-Syndicalism

Biggest communist ideology known to man

[Pogue]

Anarcho-Syndicalism

Biggest communist ideology known to man

(i'm not an anarcho-syndicalist)

[bcbm]

so what have those organizations actually done in the past year?

[The Ungovernable Farce]

Provided endless quantities of lol for needy proletarians?

[GracchusBabeuf]

(i'm not an anarcho-syndicalist)
So, you're a Maoist?

[Kayser_Soso]

What a crap organisation, doesn't even seem to have much point to it, especially seeing as Hoxha's regime collapsed.

Why even post about it on here. Sounds like shameless self promotion. Is the Albanian nationalist symbol suprising? Anti-Revisionists aren't even internationalist anyway, the whole ideology of Stalinism is pretty much based on defence of nations, regimes, especially in imperialist conflicts.

I guess we can just thank our lucky stars it probably is absolutely tiny, and being a fringe personality cult, unlikely to grow, because the politics stink and such groups really do more harm than good.

In short, outside of your own imagination, this group and thread are equally as pointless as each other.


Oh calm down there. Yeah, anarchist societies never collapsed...oh wait...

[Kayser_Soso]

There's still no explanation as to what it actually is, perhaps it's just another name for the APL, at least linking the red phoenix and the APL website as "its online presence" lead me to conclude just that.

Anyone got any other suggestions about what it is? A Hoxha themed theme park in the making? Hoxhaists who joined the WWE/WWF's UNION ("Union of People You OUghta Respect, Son") of wrestlers? Answers on the back of a postcard please.

How's that Left Communist revolution coming along?

[ls]

How's that Left Communist revolution coming along?

Someone seems to be trying diversionary tactics ;), there's still no answer to a simple question. Perhaps it is actually meant to be mysterious. Like a portal to another dimension, maybe saying 'Hoxhaist union' three times in a dark room in the mirror implants you in the shoes of the fox himself back in socialist albania, good stuff.

[Kayser_Soso]

Someone seems to be trying diversionary tactics ;), there's still no answer to a simple question. Perhaps it is actually meant to be mysterious. Like a portal to another dimension, maybe saying 'Hoxhaist union' three times in a dark room in the mirror implants you in the shoes of the fox himself back in socialist albania, good stuff.

It is indeed a simple question, but an ever simpler one is why do you want to know?

[Искра]

Anarcho-Syndicalism

Biggest communist ideology known to man

I'm glad that we agree. :thumbup1:

[Искра]

Btw. I always thought that 'Hoxhaist union' is revleft joke.... :confused:
Does it really exist? Why would some one form 'Hoxhaist union'.....?!
What's point of this organisation?

[Kayser_Soso]

Btw. I always thought that 'Hoxhaist union' is revleft joke.... :confused:
Does it really exist? Why would some one form 'Hoxhaist union'.....?!
What's point of this organisation?

To piss you off. Mission accomplished.

[Искра]

You think? I'm not pissed I just don't get what is HU.

[ls]

It is indeed a simple question, but an ever simpler one is why do you want to know?

The answer is obvious, I'm a crypto luddite-falangist-maoist-syndicalist who wants to practice entryism on the glorious Hoxhaist union.

[Niccolò Rossi]

How's that Left Communist revolution coming along?

What is a "Left Communist revolution"?

[hugsandmarxism]

What is a "Left Communist revolution"?

A contradiction in terms.

http://www.revleft.com/vb/picture.php?albumid=497&pictureid=4272

[GracchusBabeuf]

A contradiction in terms.

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[#FF0000]

hurf durf

[Bright Banana Beard]

Cheer for you comrades! :thumbup:

[Il Medico]

Well the Oxford English dictionary I have here and which I use in preference of dictionary.com (because dictionary.com is bollocks) describes it thus:



Also the online Oxford English dictionary gives us something closer to your definition:



Looks like turning to "the" dictionary doesn't really work. Regardless I would hardly charchterise the other events occuring concurrently with the HU's birthday as rendering it of little or no value. Even by your defenition I'm sceptical of the "irony" because the events aren't exactly unexpected - or at least not in a way that would make it ironic (i.e being "perversely contrary" to expectation).
I don't use online dictionaries, but since I couldn't quote my Random House College dictionary, I just mywebsearched "irony".(or basically I don't have any clue what online dictionaries are "good" or not). Irony is usually as synonymy for sarcasm or satire. To mean the opposite of what you say. That is Verbal irony. There is Situational irony (as in a situation is not what you would expect [ie PF making another thread about the HU while a debate is going on about a sexist statement made in the last thread] and what I used) . There is also Dramatic irony, which is used in writing and movies. Basically the audience knows more than the character does about the character's situation. (The hero of the story thinks he is safe, but the reader knows he is actually endanger. etc etc)

[Il Medico]

A contradiction in terms.

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[bcbm]

oh look, another thread full of idiots slinging shit at each other. booooring

[Chapter 24]

A contradiction in terms.

http://www.revleft.com/vb/picture.php?albumid=497&pictureid=4272

Why criticize anything for that matter? Criticism is useless. :rolleyes:

[RHIZOMES]

How come you use the Albanian national symbol in the logo? I know Hoxha was Albanian, but wouldn't that make people think that you had some sort of link to nationalists?

Yeah, I agree with this. I have some admirations for Hoxha, but I think clinging to such outdated and increasingly kitsch Cold War communist aesthetics will alienate workers and other potential supporters from the APL. It's something that needs to be changed ASAP imho. It is possible to uphold anti-revisionist, orthodox Marxism-Leninism and appear modern, to the contrary to images like this:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/c8/May_Day_in_London.jpg/800px-May_Day_in_London.jpg
Which exemplifies everything wrong with the anti-revisionist movement, imho (not that other leftist tendencies don't have their flaws).


A contradiction in terms.

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EDIT: Also I apologize for my flippant comments about the APL's lack of activity on Facebook, as Lenin II pointed out on there I actually have no idea wtf you guys are doing :lol:. It was more out of frustration at the dismissal of the WPNZ having a solid ideology by certain HU comrades just due to this dogmatic opposition to rogue/maverick Trotskyists (who share many of the same criticisms of the Trotskyist movement as the Hoxhaists do) and rogue/maverick Maoists merging on the basis of 99% agreement on the social conditions facing the world and New Zealand today (rather than historical disputes). If people actually take the time to browse some of the political documents on our site one would realize such dismissals are completely pulled out of their own ass due to certain dogmatic preconceptions. I actually think the WPNZ has the most solid politics out of any of the groups on the NZ left, with the anarchist/Trotskyist Green Party-voting wishy-washy "collective" Socialist Aotearoa, to the "evil bad banks", sending John Key e-mail spam and the organizational attention span of a goldfish (something like 15 failed broad front projects in 3 years) of Cliffite Socialist Worker, etc etc. On the other hand the WPNZ is the only party that seems to have a solid analysis of the capitalist Labour party (in contrast to the lesser evilism of other groups), the role NZ serves as a junior-partner in global imperialism (which other groups promoting the idea of NZ as some sort of exploited semi-colony against the big-bad foreign capitalists, not looking at NZ's own), the emphasis on orientating it's activists to the working class, etc etc.

[Andres Marcos]

Hey Pogue and ls you know what, IM SAVED, you have convinced me of the errors of my ways and I decided to be 200% anarchist, I even adopted a British accent and started listening to the Sex Pistols, By Durruti are they the shizznit. Lets have a meeting its gunna be at that burning garbage can outside your house, I organized other losers-I mean other revolutionary youth, come as we celebrate the burning of an effigy of Stalin. We will have a variety of foods to serve from tofu burgers, Celery with peanut butter and soy milk, all organic of course and 100% Environment friendly(we are using our own hot gas to fuel the fire so be sure to stock up on some bean burritos for lunch). We ask everyone to wear your best clothe, all black please, come join us on our march against Starbucks, its best to cover your face because we are going to smash a lot of windows and we don't want our identities to be known. If you are going to bring a flag its best to use one with this image:

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/5600/poster71896187.jpg

Remember we gotta be back by 11:00 pm our parents won't let us stay past our bedtime.

[Sasha]

they dont have much starbucks where pogue lives....... (imperialist)

[LeninBalls]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/c8/May_Day_in_London.jpg/800px-May_Day_in_London.jpg

Look at that ass with the Stalin t-shirt. LOOK.

[Andres Marcos]

they dont have much starbucks where pogue lives....... (imperialist)

Thats because all the anarchists scared them away of course!

Anarchism: 1
Starbucks: 0

[ls]

Hey Pogue and ls you know what, IM SAVED, you have convinced me of the errors of my ways and I decided to be 200% anarchist, I even adopted a British accent and started listening to the Sex Pistols, By Durruti are they the shizznit.

British people don't say shizznit, they are more likely to say "the dog's bollocks", furthermore, the best anarchists are probably French or Russian, finally, you can't be 200% anarchist, it is a faux pas to say anything past 110%


Lets have a meeting its gunna be at that burning garbage can outside your house, I organized other losers-I mean other revolutionary youth, come as we celebrate the burning of an effigy of Stalin. We will have a variety of foods to serve from tofu burgers, Celery with peanut butter and soy milk, all organic of course and 100% Environment friendly(we are using our own hot gas to fuel the fire so be sure to stock up on some bean burritos for lunch). We ask everyone to wear your best clothe, all black please, come join us on our march against Starbucks, its best to cover your face because we are going to smash a lot of windows and we don't want our identities to be known. If you are going to bring a flag its best to use one with this image:

Someone has a grudge. ;)



http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/5600/poster71896187.jpg

Those crude looking anarchy logos with the A extruding disproportionately to the circles are not something I am too keen on, you are more than welcome to change that to your avatar though.

[Andres Marcos]

British people don't say shizznit, they are more likely to say "the dog's bollocks", furthermore, the best anarchists are probably French or Russian, finally, you can't be 200% anarchist, it is a faux pas to say anything past 110%


you are more than welcome to change that to your avatar though.

I can do whatever I want you authoritarian bastard. STOP TELLING ME WHAT TO DO STALINIST!

[ls]

I can do whatever I want you authoritarian bastard. STOP TELLING ME WHAT TO DO STALINIST!

You can't lay claim to being British unless you promise to get drunk every night and randomly headbutt unsuspecting people while shouting FOOK YOU, then piss yourself.

[Andres Marcos]

You can't lay claim to being British unless you promise to get drunk every night and randomly headbutt unsuspecting people while shouting FOOK YOU, then piss yourself.

Now that I have emancipated my mind from Stalinist Slavery I am going to do exactly what you say.

[Os Cangaceiros]

http://www.meikathon.net/roflmao/facepalm.jpg

This thread is pathetic.

[ls]

Now that I have emancipated my mind from Stalinist Slavery I am going to do exactly what you say.

How can you do what I say if I don't give any instruction, my last post was not an instruction.

[bcbm]

Hey Pogue and ls you know what, IM SAVED, you have convinced me of the errors of my ways and I decided to be 200% anarchist, I even adopted a British accent and started listening to the Sex Pistols, By Durruti are they the shizznit. Lets have a meeting its gunna be at that burning garbage can outside your house, I organized other losers-I mean other revolutionary youth, come as we celebrate the burning of an effigy of Stalin. We will have a variety of foods to serve from tofu burgers, Celery with peanut butter and soy milk, all organic of course and 100% Environment friendly(we are using our own hot gas to fuel the fire so be sure to stock up on some bean burritos for lunch). We ask everyone to wear your best clothe, all black please, come join us on our march against Starbucks, its best to cover your face because we are going to smash a lot of windows and we don't want our identities to be known. If you are going to bring a flag its best to use one with this image:


when you're done making an ass of yourself, could you maybe get around to answering my question from a page or two ago?

[scarletghoul]

http://www.revleft.com/vb/picture.php?albumid=29&pictureid=4263
theres only room for 2 more great men D:

[bcbm]

great men

sexist.

[hugsandmarxism]

http://www.revleft.com/vb/picture.php?albumid=497&pictureid=4271

[scarletghoul]

sexist.
How did you win funniest user award >_>

[Pogue]

So before this thread is closed I think we can all summarise that the HU is a steaming pile of shite.

[Andres Marcos]

This thread is pathetic.

[CHORUS]
Blame it on the a-a-a-a-anarkids

[bcbm]

How did you win funniest user award >_>

conspiracy

[Il Medico]

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[bcbm]

so what have those organizations actually done in the past year?

i'm still curious

[ls]

Unfortunately that cookie will be cleared as soon as you log out.

Now this thread should be closed.

[hugsandmarxism]

[CHORUS]
Blame it on the a-a-a-a-anarkids

http://www.revleft.com/vb/picture.php?albumid=497&pictureid=4268

(this is meant to be endearing, btw ;) )

[Andres Marcos]

this thread should be closed.

http://roadkillrefugee.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/mission-accomplished.png

[hugsandmarxism]

http://www.revleft.com/vb/picture.php?albumid=212&pictureid=4250

[Honggweilo]

http://sherwoodchamber.org/images/red_onions.jpg

[Andres Marcos]

i'm still curious


so what have those organizations actually done in the past year?

Participated in Atlanta Carpenters' Union local 225 strike on October 16 this year, Atlanta UFPJ, May Day 2007 in Moscow, diplomatic trips to Albania, Tatarstan, Serbia and Turkey establishing contacts with different communist parties in those 4 areas, Peace Vigils, will be attending the Anti-Fascist Youth Camp sponsored by EMEP in Turkey next year.

[hugsandmarxism]

http://www.hongfire.com/cg/data/14/g330.gif

[Il Medico]

^Why for the love of pancakes did you post a monstrous picture of an onion???

[hugsandmarxism]

^Why for the love of pancakes did you post a monstrous picture of an onion???

It's three onions.

[Panda Tse Tung]

Hoxhaist onion >_<. Dude obvious reference is obvious.

[ls]

Participated in Atlanta Carpenters' Union local 225 strike on October 16 this year, Atlanta UFPJ, Peace Vigils, will be attending the Anti-Fascist Youth Camp sponsored by EMEP in Turkey next year.

EMEP even has its own TV channel amirite.

[Il Medico]

It's three onions.
No, it's three RED onions.

[hugsandmarxism]

EMEP even has its own TV channel amirite.

You, sir, have good taste in movies.

http://kaseydriscoll.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/evil-dead-2-hand.jpg

[Andres Marcos]

EMEP even has its own TV channel amirite.

Yeah its called Hayat TV

http://www.hayattv.net/

[ls]

Indeed, it was a rhetorical question though (and a loose reference). Great working-class party though, even has its own tv channel, should have its own castle too.

[Andres Marcos]

Indeed, it was a rhetorical question though (and a loose reference). Great working-class party though, even has its own tv channel, should have its own castle too.

They should get their own vacant building and squat on it, like real working class revolutionaries do.

[Jazzratt]

They should get their own vacant building and squat on it, like real working class revolutionaries do.

How dare those dirty scummers be unable to afford homes. Next you'll be telling me that they don't even eat caviar!

[Pirate Utopian]

started listening to the Sex Pistols, By Durruti are they the shizznit.
What? They are goddamnit. Not as good as PiL though.

[Andres Marcos]

How dare those dirty scummers be unable to afford homes. Next you'll be telling me that they don't even eat caviar!

most homeless people don't choose to be homeless except anarkids.

They are dirty scummers though that is true. A quote from a Revleft Anarkid on personal hygeine:



'theyre only unpleasant to the nose cuz uve grown up in a capitalist society that imposes things like deodorant and perfume and other borugeois cosmetics on us to cover our natural smells. there is nuthin offensive bout smellin like nature intended, only brainwashed pigs say that!'

[Искра]

I just realized the most entertaining thing on revleft.
When "Stalinists" criticize anarchists they can't make better critic than "you are just a bunch of punx smashing Starbucks" ...
I mean people that's pathetic...
Also, I'm thinking that I should stop posting on revleft so often and just post infos about actions of my organisation etc. because this looks like a kindergarten...

[Revy]

holy shit giant onion alert
I think I nearly got a heart attack so much onion
so little time to eat it and sneeze out swine flu
wait, what huh
I think you need to stop focusing on the luxuritisi of being a Marxis -leninist. but rathe r anachist is the way to thinkI n not sure if you could get it, but I think hoxhaism is a dad among some who only think it a way of being cool in their won way I see a new thing emerging with Luxemburgism a wayuu to democratic union of leftists who think that freedom and democracy in inseparable part of socialism and we know that it's true.

because bureacrats and varngardism is not the way
but rather we should focus on creaging a new society, not necessarily our own view of what a party should be in a sect-like way like some Trotskyisrt groups do.

because I know inside my very own soul that the freedom to think is the freedom to feel the music because we know that the heart inside pumps vigorously

I know this may not make much sense to the average believer but we should remember that Jesus was only a high aptitutde skier who fled on the moutnains to Jerussalem

ya hear me I know what's liekt obe free in the world today
we don't need leadeship of party we need unity of world masses
in workers' freedom for socialist revolution
to end racism, sexism homophobia and other forms of hatred
anarchist / hoxhaist / left communist / democratic socialist I don;t care even though I don't like the stalinism at all I feel like we need to find libertad in unity

as long as they recognize that stalin was couner-revolutionaty
as long as they recognizethat fredom only comes with true freedom
as long as they know that they can be free with socialism not state capitalism
they will be with me as comrade forever

[ls]

They should get their own vacant building and squat on it, like real working class revolutionaries do.

Yeah, all real working-class people are never homeless and can afford Turkish cable to watch a tv channel which as Devrim said, is only shown on the Turkish cable network which isn't free. How could one be so silly as to forget. :rolleyes:


'theyre only unpleasant to the nose cuz uve grown up in a capitalist society that imposes things like deodorant and perfume and other borugeois cosmetics on us to cover our natural smells. there is nuthin offensive bout smellin like nature intended, only brainwashed pigs say that!'

That was a joke by bcbm who later on said he showers once a day, so.. yeah. Actually, there are quite a few of those with your own tendency on here, in fact, more of them than anarchists that say they don't wash very often, so I think you just hit an own goal. :cool: :thumbup:

[Jazzratt]

most homeless people don't choose to be homeless except anarkids.

Ecxcept living in a squat is not actually being homeless. It's making a saving on housing costs which can be important if you don't actually have much money.


They are dirty scummers though that is true. A quote from a Revleft Anarkid on personal hygeine:

:lol: Oh god you're a fucking moron (http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/satire?view=uk). Are you being deliberately obtuse so that everyone who shares your politics seems like a beacon of rationality by comparison or do you actually have the same ability to reflect on written words as a metnally deficient slug?

[Andres Marcos]

I just realized the most entertaining thing on revleft.
When "Stalinists" criticize anarchists they can't make better critic than "you are just a bunch of punx smashing Starbucks" ...
I mean people that's pathetic...


Yeah, the most entertaining thing if you notice, the ones who started trolling this thread were anarchist assholes.

[Revy]

omg, I' m drunk, sorry....I can't believe I just posted that or should I be proud of myself for teh lulz ? I think so.

[Andres Marcos]

Yeah, all real working-class people are never homeless

Since when do working class people voluntarily become homeless dumbass?


Ecxcept living in a squat is not actually being homeless. It's making a saving on housing costs which can be important if you don't actually have much money.

Right, "its not homelessness when we do it"?
Funny, because I have never heard of anyone squatting except anarkids who almost always come from a priviledged background. Most working people don't want to live like lifestylist morons preach, which is why anarkids over here are composed of teenage white kids from Overland Park, Kansas...really oppressed right? How about really stupid.

[ls]

Since when do working class people voluntarily become homeless dumbass?

Are you braindead? Are you thick?

Obviously you've never engaged with homeless people, it's evidently clear to the whole board, congrats on your total and complete ignorance.

[Andres Marcos]

Are you braindead? Are you thick?

Obviously you've never engaged with homeless people, it's evidently clear to the whole board, congrats on your total and complete ignorance.

You know you are an Anarkid when you start off a sentence with "Obviously you've never..."(its usually followed by "read about anarchism"). I am talking about the fucking losers who squat in homes, not because they are mentally challenged veterans, not because they are the victims of capitalism, on the contrary they are White petty-bourgeois losers from suburban kansas with access to college who throw it away to VOLUNTARILY live in an abandoned buildings. The only idiots who do this are anarkids; when they grow up they will realize how stupid they were, but by that time it will be too late, but congrats for apologising for bone-head idiocy it fits you well

[Jazzratt]

Right, "its not homelessness when we do it"?
Funny, because I have never heard of anyone squatting except anarkids who almost always come from a priviledged background. Most working people don't want to live like lifestylist morons preach, which is why anarkids over here are composed of teenage white kids from Overland Park, Kansas...really oppressed right? How about really stupid.

I have no idea why the fuck I'm bothering, but here goes:

Look, shitwit. It's not homelessness because it involves living in a home. It is a roof over your head which can come in pretty bloody handy especially if there isn't much in the way of council housing or if nearby landlords are a shower of bastards (and what landlords aren't) who won't accept tenants on housing benefit. I've only squatted briefly a few years ago but I would not hesitate to do so again if I found myself faced with not having a home anymore. The squats I have been to though have actually been pretty mixed in terms of political oreintations, a number were "apolitical" and I myself was a marxist-leninist at the time. I have no idea what the fuck Overland Park is like but I've never been to a single squat which contains anyone from there. Funny that.

Regardless you're probably go on steamrollering the army of strawmen you've decided will make an apt replacement for actual anarchists and good luck to you. If you imagine that any of the brain-meltingly asinine crap you're posting is actually worth a damn though I'll have to chalk it up to the sad delusions you're bound to develop if you stay up all night with your history books and a tub of lube wanking yourself dry over inconsequential shite you like to pretend is relevent to the modern working class.


You know you are an Anarkid when you start off a sentence with "Obviously you've never..."(its usually followed by "read about anarchism").

Don't lie. When people direct a sentence starting "Obviously you've never..." toward you it's generally ended with "...read a book in your lamentably long life."

[bcbm]

Participated in Atlanta Carpenters' Union local 225 strike on October 16 this year, Atlanta UFPJ, May Day 2007 in Moscow, diplomatic trips to Albania, Tatarstan, Serbia and Turkey establishing contacts with different communist parties in those 4 areas, Peace Vigils, will be attending the Anti-Fascist Youth Camp sponsored by EMEP in Turkey next year.

thanks. why would you spend money on "diplomatic" trips to establish contacts with foreign parties instead of using that money to expand your organization locally or nationally? it'd be just as easy to make contacts with foreign parties through mail or the internet, and quite a bit cheaper.


A quote from a Revleft Anarkid on personal hygeine

wow.:rolleyes:


I have never heard of anyone squatting except anarkids

squatters existed long before anarchism and continue to exist. many shanty towns are squatted, and throughout the third world there are large squatted communities, as well as squatted housing within cities. even in the first world, there are certainly people squatting out of necessity and, since the foreclosure crisis, there has been an increase in political squatting movements that help families who have been evicted.

[Andres Marcos]

I have no idea why the fuck I'm bothering, but here goes:

Look, shitwit. It's not homelessness because it involves living in a home. It is a roof over your head which can come in pretty bloody handy especially if there isn't much in the way of council housing or if nearby landlords are a shower of bastards (and what landlords aren't) who won't accept tenants on housing benefit. I've only squatted briefly a few years ago but I would not hesitate to do so again if I found myself faced with not having a home anymore. The squats I have been to though have actually been pretty mixed in terms of political oreintations, a number were "apolitical" and I myself was a marxist-leninist at the time. I have no idea what the fuck Overland Park is like but I've never been to a single squat which contains anyone from there. Funny that.

Regardless you're probably go on steamrollering the army of strawmen you've decided will make an apt replacement for actual anarchists and good luck to you. If you imagine that any of the brain-meltingly asinine crap you're posting is actually worth a damn though I'll have to chalk it up to the sad delusions you're bound to develop if you stay up all night with your history books and a tub of lube wanking yourself dry over inconsequential shite you like to pretend is relevent to the modern working class.



Don't lie. When people direct a sentence starting "Obviously you've never..." toward you it's generally ended with "...read a book in your lamentably long life."

ts;dr


frankly i don't know why PF started this thread its been flamed and trolled from a bunch of shit-brained idiots from the start.

[gorillafuck]

It's hilarious that Andres Marcos thought that that quote on personal hygiene was serious.

[ls]

You know you are an Anarkid when you start off a sentence with "Obviously you've never..."(its usually followed by "read about anarchism").

Not really, that isn't usually how I form my sentences, then again I usually don't have t with your level of ignorant worthless fucktarded pratty condescending moronic pathetic degenerate wankery.


I am talking about the fucking losers who squat in homes, not because they are mentally challenged veterans, not because they are the victims of capitalism, on the contrary they are White petty-bourgeois losers from suburban kansas with access to college who throw it away to VOLUNTARILY live in an abandoned buildings.

It's not that common at all actually, the majority of anarchist squatters are workers. Interestingly (and tellingly), all of the people on this board I've seen who talked about squatting were workers, not petit-bourgeois.


The only idiots who do this are anarkids; when they grow up they will realize how stupid they were, but by that time it will be too late, but congrats for apologising for bone-head idiocy it fits you well

You're a funny guy really to be criticising when your beloved party runs its own TV channel :thumbup1::thumbup:. The petit-bourgeois fake-archist kids who do not form even a 1/4 of the world anarchist movement - who do that, are not exactly doing harm to anyone by doing that, whereas a party which says it's for the people but really stands for bourgeois nationalism kind of is indeed doing harm to the class-struggle.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Pointless Revleft sectarianism: It's as funny as it is original.

[Kayser_Soso]

Nobody can be TOLD what the HU is, you have to know it, and understand it for yourself, and if you DID understand what the HU is, then there wouldn't be an HU at all, so there.

[Il Medico]

Andre Marcos:

Perhaps you would like to contribute something to this Chit Chat discussion, which you demand be taken so seriously, instead of running around yelling anarchokiddie at everyone?

-The Doctor

PS: I await my denunciation as a stupid over privileged anarcho-kiddie.

[Os Cangaceiros]

You're worse than an anarchist, you goddamn left communist slacker!

[Wanted Man]

Just one thing: don't diss squatting. Maybe it's different in other countries, but there is actually such a thing as a squatters' movement. There are many landlords who leave buildings empty and neglected for ages, using them simply as bargaining chips in the real estate market, while many people can't get affordable housing. After all, that is a lot less lucrative than luxury apartments or a parking lot...

Squatters address this social problem by occupying buildings and doing something useful with it (providing living space, cultural activities, activist centres, etc.). It's largely considered an anarchist/autonomist thing, but other people squat as well. The (marxist-leninist) group that I'm in is also involved with a squat; maybe we're also smelly anarchopunx who don't wash? :rolleyes:

Seriously, anyone who feels this way, whether hoxhaist or otherwise, can fuck right off. It's not clever, it's not funny and it's not cool. You just come across as whiny pricks complaining about kids on their lawn, the kind of people who would throw a party if the riot police comes in to evict "smelly punk kids" or whatever. Basically, not the kind of people you usually see on the left.

[Jazzratt]

Just one thing: don't diss squatting. Maybe it's different in other countries, but there is actually such a thing as a squatters' movement. There are many landlords who leave buildings empty and neglected for ages, using them simply as bargaining chips in the real estate market, while many people can't get affordable housing. After all, that is a lot less lucrative than luxury apartments or a parking lot...

Squatters address this social problem by occupying buildings and doing something useful with it (providing living space, cultural activities, activist centres, etc.). It's largely considered an anarchist/autonomist thing, but other people squat as well. The (marxist-leninist) group that I'm in is also involved with a squat; maybe we're also smelly anarchopunx who don't wash? :rolleyes:

Seriously, anyone who feels this way, whether hoxhaist or otherwise, can fuck right off. It's not clever, it's not funny and it's not cool. You just come across as whiny pricks complaining about kids on their lawn, the kind of people who would throw a party if the riot police comes in to evict "smelly punk kids" or whatever. Basically, not the kind of people you usually see on the left.

This post deserves some manner of standing ovation :lol: Also that comment about riot police reminds me of that prick Topulli (didn't he change his name to Jorge Miguel, become an even bigger prick and get banned?) who thought anarchists on demos should get beaten up because some of them look weird.

Just to make it clear though I was just annoyed with that guy who was going on about squatting and not bathing (using a post made in jest to back his arguments, no less). I don't mind the HU turning two. I might disagree for the vast bulk of what they stand for and all that shit but it's a bit low attacking them in a thread made (presumably) in good faith by their leader in order to celebrate their second anniversery.

[F9]

I'd like to congratule both members of HU.

:lol::lol::lol::laugh::laugh::thumbup::thumbup:

[Wanted Man]

This post deserves some manner of standing ovation :lol: Also that comment about riot police reminds me of that prick Topulli (didn't he change his name to Jorge Miguel, become an even bigger prick and get banned?) who thought anarchists on demos should get beaten up because some of them look weird.

Just to make it clear though I was just annoyed with that guy who was going on about squatting and not bathing (using a post made in jest to back his arguments, no less). I don't mind the HU turning two. I might disagree for the vast bulk of what they stand for and all that shit but it's a bit low attacking them in a thread made (presumably) in good faith by their leader in order to celebrate their second anniversery.

I agree.

[RHIZOMES]

I just realized the most entertaining thing on revleft.
When "Stalinists" criticize anarchists they can't make better critic than "you are just a bunch of punx smashing Starbucks" ...

No only the completely idiotic Stalinists do that (ib4 an anarchist says that's redundant).

In my view there are serious criticisms of anarchism (including the lifestylism aspect among many anarchists) that can be made without resorting to complete and utter strawman arguments (as deployed here).


Participated in Atlanta Carpenters' Union local 225 strike on October 16 this year, Atlanta UFPJ, May Day 2007 in Moscow, diplomatic trips to Albania, Tatarstan, Serbia and Turkey establishing contacts with different communist parties in those 4 areas, Peace Vigils, will be attending the Anti-Fascist Youth Camp sponsored by EMEP in Turkey next year.

See this is why I apologize for accusing the APL/HU of no political activity on Facebook, you guys are getting there... although I agree with bcbm that you should spend that money on increasing the influence of your party and just establish contacts through the internet and mail imho.

[Honggweilo]

I have never heard of anyone squatting except anarkids

we squat

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OG95EaarW7Q&feature=player_embedded

quit being a stereotypical ass plz

[Pogue]

Pointless Revleft sectarianism: It's as funny as it is original.

Would you like to explain how its sectarianism for anarchists to oppose 'Hoxhaists'?

[ls]

but it's a bit low attacking them in a thread made (presumably) in good faith by their leader in order to celebrate their second anniversery.

All I did was ask what the HU was. When no answer was provided by HU members who still posted nonetheless it seemed appropriate to take guesses at what it is, there was no implicit or explicit attack on Hoxhaism as an ideology and I'm sorry if that was perceived by some slightly plankier posters. With sentences like this from Andres:


because I have never heard of anyone squatting except anarkids who almost always come from a priviledged background

It only follows that people are going to accuse him of being a braindead plank himself.

[bcbm]

In my view there are serious criticisms of anarchism (including the lifestylism aspect among many anarchists) that can be made without resorting to complete and utter strawman arguments (as deployed here).i think this would be a strange criticism to throw at anyone on revleft. as far as i can tell the anarchists here aren't of the "lifestylist" variety. of course, i think the idea of lifestylism is largely a strawman (even among anarchists) anyway.


See this is why I apologize for accusing the APL/HU of no political activity on Facebook, you guys are getting there...i don't think you should apologize. i don't think the examples listed stand up as very good examples of political activity for a supposedly working class party.

[Comrade Gwydion]

Would you like to explain how its sectarianism for anarchists to oppose 'Hoxhaists'?

It isn't, but isn't revleft on the whole quite pointless?

[GracchusBabeuf]

Would you like to explain how its sectarianism for anarchists to oppose 'Hoxhaists'?"Sectarianism is bigotry, discrimination or hatred arising from attaching importance to perceived differences between subdivisions within a group, such as between different denominations of a religion or the factions of a political movement." - wiki

[Jazzratt]

All I did was ask what the HU was. When no answer was provided by HU members who still posted nonetheless it seemed appropriate to take guesses at what it is, there was no implicit or explicit attack on Hoxhaism as an ideology and I'm sorry if that was perceived by some slightly plankier posters.

I wasn't saying that you did or that none of the bashing in this thread was justified. Just that I wasn't about to start anything, hwoever


With sentences like [that] from Andres:

I felt that we were all right in piling into the thick little dickhead.


It only follows that people are going to accuse him of being a braindead plank himself.

Or indeed imply that he has to have revleft read to him by someone because no one with the requisite intelligence to read what's written on a pack of pork scratchings could possibly post the moronic bullshit he does.

[hugsandmarxism]

"Sectarianism is bigotry, discrimination or hatred arising from attaching importance to perceived differences between subdivisions within a group, such as between different denominations of a religion or the factions of a political movement." - wiki

In b4 not sectarianism

http://www.revleft.com/vb/picture.php?albumid=497&pictureid=4281

[The Ungovernable Farce]

Hey Pogue and ls you know what, IM SAVED, you have convinced me of the errors of my ways and I decided to be 200% anarchist, I even adopted a British accent and started listening to the Sex Pistols, By Durruti are they the shizznit. Lets have a meeting its gunna be at that burning garbage can outside your house, I organized other losers-I mean other revolutionary youth, come as we celebrate the burning of an effigy of Stalin. We will have a variety of foods to serve from tofu burgers, Celery with peanut butter and soy milk, all organic of course and 100% Environment friendly(we are using our own hot gas to fuel the fire so be sure to stock up on some bean burritos for lunch). We ask everyone to wear your best clothe, all black please, come join us on our march against Starbucks, its best to cover your face because we are going to smash a lot of windows and we don't want our identities to be known. If you are going to bring a flag its best to use one with this image:
Remember we gotta be back by 11:00 pm our parents won't let us stay past our bedtime.
This is good satire. You are a witty writer who definitely knows how to use sarcasm effectively. I think the fart joke was my favourite part, but it's all strong material.

Right, "its not homelessness when we do it"?
Do you understand the distinction between homelessness and living in a house? Do you really need me to explain it to you?


"Sectarianism is bigotry, discrimination or hatred arising from attaching importance to perceived differences between subdivisions within a group, such as between different denominations of a religion or the factions of a political movement." - wiki
You bolded the wrong part of that sentence: "Sectarianism is bigotry, discrimination or hatred arising from attaching importance to perceived differences between subdivisions within a group, such as between different denominations of a religion or the factions of a political movement."
I don't think Pogue seems himself as being part of the same group as Hoxhaists.

[GracchusBabeuf]

I don't think Pogue seems himself as being part of the same group as Hoxhaists. In that case, what's the point of criticizing other groups?

[The Ungovernable Farce]

Um. Would you criticise conservatives? Are you part of the same group as them, or does criticising conservatives count as criticising other groups?

[Spawn of Stalin]

Congratulations Hoxhaist Union.

[GracchusBabeuf]

Um. Would you criticise conservatives? Are you part of the same group as them, or does criticising conservatives count as criticising other groups?Is there any point in showing bigotry, discrimination or hatred towards conservatives? I'm not sure there is.

[BobKKKindle$]

Is there any point in showing bigotry, discrimination or hatred towards conservatives? I'm not sure there is.

Well done, you've shown that you have no grasp of revolutionary politics once again. When used in the context of revolutionary leftism, sectarianism means putting the interests of your particular organization above the interests of the working class, organizations which do this being termed sects. It is distinct from the dictionary definitions that you've come out with, which are primarily concerned with religious sects, and conflict between them, as in the expression "sectarian violence in northern Ireland".

Talking of which, I'm closing this thread, because it's crap.