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Kléber
24th November 2009, 21:36
http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1909/may/13.htm


Marxism has always regarded all modern religions and churches, and each and every religious organisation, as instruments of bourgeois reaction that serve to defend exploitation and to befuddle the working class. At the same time Engels frequently condemned the efforts of people who desired to be “more left” or “more revolutionary” than the Social-Democrats, to introduce into the programme of the workers’ party an explicit proclamation of atheism, in the sense of declaring war on religion. Commenting in 1874 on the famous manifesto of the Blanquist fugitive Communards who were living in exile in London, Engels called their vociferous proclamation of war on religion a piece of stupidity, and stated that such a declaration of war was the best way to revive interest in religion and to prevent it from really dying out. Engels blamed the Blanquists for being unable to understand that only the class struggle of the working masses could, by comprehensively drawing the widest strata of the proletariat into conscious and revolutionary social practice, really free the oppressed masses from the yoke of religion, whereas to proclaim that war on religion was a political task of the workers’ party was just anarchistic phrase-mongering.Don't antagonize the faithful, kick the foundation out from under the church. Sounds good to me. Discuss.

greymatter
26th November 2009, 00:15
Well, what's the foundation of the church? Desire to belong, to network, to partake in an attractive fantasy? Religion is a kind of human need - like sex - which has been perverted by greed and stupidity into the kind of pop religion you see in the megachurches. You'll see that the same has happened to sex if you pay attention to pop culture. I don't think sex is going to go the way of the dinosaur unless science do something about it - and neither will the big R.

Bud Struggle
26th November 2009, 00:27
Well, what's the foundation of the church? Desire to belong, to network, to partake in an attractive fantasy? Religion is a kind of human need - like sex - which has been perverted by greed and stupidity into the kind of pop religion you see in the megachurches. You'll see that the same has happened to sex if you pay attention to pop culture. I don't think sex is going to go the way of the dinosaur unless science do something about it - and neither will the big R.


The same that can be said about Socialism. Do I actually NEED someone elses help for anything? Am I obliged to help the less fortunate? Wouldn't doing thing like that be "perversions" of me as a person? All I need to do is what I want.

Who's to say that's wrong. As a matter of fact--it seems like a pretty good way to live.

Am I wrong? Hey, if the fact that God exists or doesn't exist doesn't matter, but BELIEF in him gives me the strenth to conquer others and live the way I want--what's wrong with that?

Greymatter, you may be the best Bourgeoise apologist yet!

greymatter
26th November 2009, 02:38
Hey, if the fact that God exists or doesn't exist doesn't matter, but BELIEF in him gives me the strenth to conquer others and live the way I want--what's wrong with that?

I'm not sure exactly what to make of this. If you want to rape and pillage your way to the holy land, I hear they got some crazy ass motherfuckers with scimitars down there so bring some American military hardware with you.


Greymatter, you may be the best Bourgeoise apologist yet!

:blushing: Aww shucks.