Interview with Peter Joseph, the Zeitgeist film-maker

[Dimentio]

Not that I am a member of supporter of the Zeitgeist movement, but given the desinformation spread here about its perceived "far right" tenets, I have taken the liberty to post an interview with the brain behind the Zeitgeist Movement so that people could judge for themselves so that we could discuss it and criticise it maturely.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=810YM8Gcdl0&feature=related

[Led Zeppelin]

His astounding charisma has persuaded me.

Where can I sign up to do nothing besides waiting for "The Venus Project" to amount to anything, which will never happen?

[Dimentio]

Don't troll nu.

It is better to listen to the interview critically. I myself have some issues with Zeitgeist and with a lot of its members, but I think it is quite arrogant to dismiss it all without studying it.

[Kassad]

You accuse us of spreading disinformation, yet you do the same? Those of us who criticize the Zeitgeist Movement merely acknowledge that Peter Joseph and the Zeitgeist supporters went from opposing the income tax, supporting Ron Paul and believing the September 11th attacks were a government operation to supporting centrally planned technological development. It's quite a large jump and it shows that the conspiracy culture, as I call it, is very fickle and will never cease to be blown away by whatever new documentary surfaces. Zeitgeist III is expected in 2010 and for all we know, Joseph might come out in support of Rudy Giuliani.

Though the movement is progressive, it is not calling for proletarian revolution, nor is it calling for proletarian control of the means of production. The group also has no activist presence in the streets or in the struggle. To top the cake off, their means of attaining their utopia is by creating a 'model city' with all the Venus Project's innovative ideas to show that it can work and then they'll spread, grow and eventually become widespread enough to abolish the monetary system. Though it's an ideal scenario, it's not very likely. If these guys came up with some proposals on class struggle, imperialism and revolution, maybe I'd be willing to really give them a chance, but since they don't appear to be doing that, I can't see why anyone would waste their time with the Zeitgeist Movement, the Venus Project and all of its affiliates.

[Dimentio]

I am not spreading any desinformation just by linking a video and affirming that we should try to analyse the Zeitgeist Movement objectively and not just praise it mindlessly or pile buckets of shit on it. In what way am I spreading desinformation?

[Kassad]

I am not spreading any desinformation just by linking a video and affirming that we should try to analyse the Zeitgeist Movement objectively and not just praise it mindlessly or pile buckets of shit on it. In what way am I spreading desinformation?

You're spreading disinformation by summarizing criticism of the Movement as merely calling it 'far-right.' What I'm asking you to do is actually analyze the arguments against it and not make assertions that are untrue.

[Dimentio]

I am sorry.

I am a bit tired and summed up my post very briefly. What I am personally critical of in Zeitgeist is the early ingredients of 9/11 truth, but fortunately it seems to have waned in the higher echelons of that movement. Moreover, Zeitgeist cannot be analysed as one movement as it is an umbrella tendency.

The movements within it which I personally find intriguing are - of course - The Venus Project, TVP Design Team, and the RBEF.

But there are also new agers, conspiracy nutters and pyramid schemers on their communities. I would say that analysing the mechanics behind the Zeitgeist Movement is quite advanced.

But I would claim that it is a largely libertarian radical left-wing movement, with pieces of gold and pieces of shit.

So, there is my position.

[Led Zeppelin]

Don't troll nu.

It is better to listen to the interview critically. I myself have some issues with Zeitgeist and with a lot of its members, but I think it is quite arrogant to dismiss it all without studying it.

I've already responded in-depth to this Zeitgeist nonsense in some other thread you made on it several months ago. Nothing has changed since then, so neither has my reply.

As for arrogance in dismissing something without studying it:


How does The Venus Project compare with Communism?

Communism used money and labor, had social stratification, and elected officials to maintain the communists' traditions. Most importantly, Communism did not eliminate SCARCITY nor did they have a blueprint or the methods for the production of abundance. Machine production rather than labor will dominate the future. Perhaps through no fault of their own, they also had to maintain huge military expenditures to protect themselves from invasion of fascistic and capitalistic institutions.

Communism being similar to a resource-based economy or The Venus Project is an erroneous concept. Communism has money, banks, armies, police, prisons, charismatic personalities, social stratification, and is managed by appointed leaders.

Communism has no blueprint or methodology to carry out their ideals and along with capitalism, fascism, and socialism, will ultimately go down in history as failed social experiments.

Communism is a political system managed by a form of ideology, which does not necessarily relate to human or environmental needs. Communism uses money, banks, armies, police, prisons, charismatic personalities, social stratification, and is managed by appointed leaders and uses indoctrination.
Link (http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=28&Itemid=66#5)

And so on and so forth.

Direct your attitude at those buffoons instead of me, because they're the guilty party of your accusation of arrogance.

[Dimentio]

Given that media is often portraying communism as "what they have in China", most people in America probably associate communism with some sort of all-pervasive state. So I could see from where that ignorance is coming, though its tragic that these misconceptions are fostered.