Letter by the imprisoned comrade P. Masouras

[Sasha]

Letter by the imprisoned comrade P. Masouras
(accused for participation in the Conspiracy of Cells of Fire.)
(Greece)

On Wednesday September 23 and at 8.15 as I was leaving my house in Galatsi on my way to the gym, I was arrested by 25 persons of the anti-terrorist squad.


In a matter of seconds I found myself on the sidewalk, hands cuffed behind my back, while at the same time they were informing their senior officers that “everything went well” and that they “have me”. I was taken to the 12th floor of Police Headquarters (note: anti-terrorist division). The next day I am informed that at the same time with me another two friends of mine have also been arrested.


In the meantime the show has already started. Without any sleep for 48 hours and physically exhausted, with my face to the wall and then a long questionnaire following, while at the same time some police officer goes from office to office announcing in a delirium of pleasure that what is happening is called war.


After that comes the interest for my career, the friendly chat, the bravado and the humane approach to the misguided youth that followed the wrong path in his life while they self appointed themselves to straighten me out and to make me see reason, not for them as they said but for my own good, to help myself, speaking to them about situations and persons that I know nothing about. Later I was informed from an officer that I was the stupid asshole of the 12th floor because the others as he said had “snitched on me” and “cleared themselves” and that if I didn’t speak I would go down for things other people have done, so I was yet again called upon to answer about situations unknown to me.


The guard shifts started: “good” cops with a sensitive touch and childhood traumas, as they said, that recognized injustice and wanted to help. On the other hand the “tough” commandos wearing full-face masks, “stern” appliers of the law and representatives of morality, acting in an absolute way leading to physical and mental exhaustion, as a means of revenge as they said because “I kept my mouth shut”.


That I refuse the charges against me does not mean that I would ever refuse my political “identity” and “origin”. I would never hide my dignity under the carpet of incarceration, overlooking the fact that I am a political entity which also takes its position against the values and institutions of this society by the means of critical revolutionary thought and practice. I am an anarchist and I am on the side of revolution and at the same time of myself.


The reason why at the present my two friends and I find ourselves in prison is crystal clear. Even the most naïve mind can perceive that fixed situations due to the elections play a role in the present condition, situations moving in the service of political and communication interests.


The hyperbole surrounding the situation, the armed to the teeth EKAM escorts (note: Special Forces Police) and the role of those despicable snitches the journalists in combination with the political condition of these days was enough to create a feeling of order and safety to the average Greek in face of the elections, so he can move sleepwalking in the role of the active citizen towards the voting poll in order to deposit yet again in someone else’s hands his share of responsibilities for his being. It is well known nowadays that public opinion has no opinion, so someone has to take on the role of shaping it. The tone of these days was mostly set by the lowlifes of the media and their all-devouring thirst for “maniacs in Galatsi” and “monsters in Chalandri”, for serial bombers who have ties with “renown” revolutionary organizations from which they take orders to accomplish missions. About guns and bullets found at my house until money that was suddenly a product of robberies because it was well hidden-next time I’ ll leave it outside the front door.

Society is not divided into classes but only into choices and consciousnesses. So let as learn from pain and pleasure, from blood and the street. We were born to exist as a whole in our inapprehensible uniqueness, inapprehensible because we can stand the pain, unpredictable because we were taught on the streets, ruthless because we will move against everyone, because we will learn to meticulously tie steel on our skin and paint the cement with revolutionary blood.

We execute morality as a prologue for destruction, we whisper with rage biting the words: WAR ATTACK because there is only beauty and strength, but some cowards in order to balance came up with justice.

Wherever there are barbed wires, let there be bloodied hands that rip them apart, wherever there is cement let there be cries full of rage that tears it down, wherever there are bars let there be souls like corrosives that destroy them, wherever we are buried alive let us bury with us morality.


We owe it to ourselves to bite on our shackles even if it is that we die biting. Because we are nothing more then our own choices.


For honour, dignity, revolution.


FREEDOM FOR THE COMRADES: V. PALLIS- Y. DIMITRAKIS- Y. VOUTSIS-VOGIATZIS- P. GEORGIADIS- I. NIKOLAOU


IMMEDIATE RELEASE OF MY FELLOW ACCUSED H. HATZIMICHELAKIS- M. YIOSPAS

Panayiotis Masouras

Avlona Prisons

21/10/2009



Website: http://athens.indymedia.org/front.php3?lang=el&article_id=1107547

[FSL]

We execute morality as a prologue for destruction, we whisper with rage biting the words: WAR ATTACK because there is only beauty and strength, but some cowards in order to balance came up with justice.

Wherever there are barbed wires, let there be bloodied hands that rip them apart, wherever there is cement let there be cries full of rage that tears it down, wherever there are bars let there be souls like corrosives that destroy them, wherever we are buried alive let us bury with us morality.


We owe it to ourselves to bite on our shackles even if it is that we die biting. Because we are nothing more then our own choices.


For honour, dignity, revolution.



Oddly enough, others who allegedly are members of that terrorist(!!!) organization have come up with even more emo responses.

Probably what you should expect when lifestylism meets fireworks meets "urban guerilla"

[nuisance]

Oddly enough, others who allegedly are members of that terrorist(!!!) organization have come up with even more emo responses.

Probably what you should expect when lifestylism meets fireworks meets "urban guerilla"
'Emo' responses? These guys could potenially go to prison because of these allegations, and you call them 'emo'? Who the fuck do you think you are?

[The Douche]

Oddly enough, others who allegedly are members of that terrorist(!!!) organization have come up with even more emo responses.

Probably what you should expect when lifestylism meets fireworks meets "urban guerilla"

So are you in AK or the KKE, you piece of shit?

When other people involved in the struggle get locked up, its not time for secterianism.

[bcbm]

terrorist(!!!)

who has been terrorized by the actions of this group?

[Pogue]

So was he done in a stitch up then?

[Dr. Fish]

What are the anarchist black cross or bail trusts like in Greece? Do they compensate for the Greek insurrectionary bravery?

[FSL]

who has been terrorized by the actions of this group?


Noone, they 're more of a parody of the terrorist groups we used to have (some actual ones still exist but smaller in importance and not achieving the "legitimacy" November 17 had at least in its beginnings among some people).



So are you in AK or the KKE, you piece of shit?

When other people involved in the struggle get locked up, its not time for secterianism.


Ehm, KKE, and I'd say we define struggle in a slightly different manner.



'Emo' responses? These guys could potenially go to prison because of these allegations, and you call them 'emo'? Who the fuck do you think you are?


Who need I be to have an opinion on the matter? You honestly didn't find it "colourful"? I think he'd be sad to know you didn't like it.

[ls]

Oddly enough, others who allegedly are members of that terrorist(!!!) organization have come up with even more emo responses.

Probably what you should expect when lifestylism meets fireworks meets "urban guerilla"

Noone, they 're more of a parody of the terrorist groups we used to have (some actual ones still exist but smaller in importance and not achieving the "legitimacy" November 17 had at least in its beginnings among some people).

Ehm, KKE, and I'd say we define struggle in a slightly different manner.

Who need I be to have an opinion on the matter? You honestly didn't find it "colourful"? I think he'd be sad to know you didn't like it.

So what group are you part of and how do you justify your disgusting pro-reactionary propaganda sectarian bollocks views?

[FSL]

So what group are you part of and how do you justify your disgusting pro-reactionary propaganda sectarian bollocks views?


Please, do elaborate so that I may defend myself.

[ls]

Please, do elaborate so that I may defend myself.

You support reactionary state suppression of other far-left activists.

Now answer the questions please, if you don't, we will assume it's because you're just another baseless slandering moron who has no idea what he's talking about.

[The Douche]

You support reactionary state suppression of other far-left activists.

Now answer the questions please, if you don't, we will assume it's because you're just another baseless slandering moron who has no idea what he's talking about.

He's in the KKE, the Greek Communist Party, they opposed the latest round of working class demonstrations against the state. They are reactionary to the core.

[ls]

He's in the KKE, the Greek Communist Party, they opposed the latest round of working class demonstrations against the state. They are reactionary to the core.

Actually, that's not necessarily true. He has never stated that he's in KKE but has talked about it, let's wait until he answers and then we will see what he thinks.

By the way, what do you have against AK? You don't consider them anarchist?

[bcbm]

Actually, that's not necessarily true. He has never stated that he's in KKE but has talked about it, let's wait until he answers and then we will see what he thinks.

just to clarify, when cmoney asked them if they were in ak or kke, they responded:


Ehm, KKE

[ls]

just to clarify, when cmoney asked him if he was in ak or kke, he responded:

Oops, ok my bad.

[Ravachol]

Oddly enough, others who allegedly are members of that terrorist(!!!) organization have come up with even more emo responses.

Probably what you should expect when lifestylism meets fireworks meets "urban guerilla"

Who do you think you are to judge comrades like that. Calling genuine acts of class warfare 'lifestylism'. One might disagree with the actions, seeing them as ineffective perhaps, but rejecting them as lifestylism and smearing their statements is so far below the belt it is downright reactionary.

You might disagree with their actions, which is your right.
You might disagree with their politics, not being an Anarchist yourself, which is your right.
But such a cynical and disrespectfull comment towards a Comrade, albeit from a different tendency, is unacceptable.


So are you in AK or the KKE, you piece of shit?

When other people involved in the struggle get locked up, its not time for secterianism.

It doesn't matter if he's in the KKE or whatever, I know KKE(-supporters) who are good Comrades and although they might have different points of view at times, they are respectfull comrades.
This cannot be said of FSL however.

[Das war einmal]

He's in the KKE, the Greek Communist Party, they opposed the latest round of working class demonstrations against the state. They are reactionary to the core.

Screw you. They are just as dedicated to the struggle as any other revolutionary leftist movement. Talking about secterianism...

[ls]

Screw you, they were against rioting is not the same as a working class demonstration

While Ravachol is correct and there are genuine revolutionaries in KKE, the KKE mistakenly condemned much of the genuine working-class revolt as "petit-bourgeois youth". In fact, I haven't seen KKE once - not even once - commend the decent workers' element of the uprising which constituted the clear majority of both "rioting" and "protesting" and all other "direct actions".

Even generally anti-anarchist Trotskyists such as the IMT agree that this is simply distortion of the truth of the situation in Greece: http://www.marxist.com/greek-december-short-balance-sheet.htm and although I think their use of words like "Stalinist" might be excessive, you cannot deny that the truth has been whitewashed in a pretty disgusting manner.

[The Douche]

By the way, what do you have against AK? You don't consider them anarchist?

Nah, its not like that, I don't really know much about AK, I probably don't have any particular problem with their politics that I wouldn't have with any other social anarchist group. I just am aware of the confrontations between them and the insurrectionary movement, so I assumed the poster was either KKE or AK.


It doesn't matter if he's in the KKE or whatever, I know KKE(-supporters) who are good Comrades and although they might have different points of view at times, they are respectfull comrades.


That may be so, but the party's politics are rotten.


Screw you. They are just as dedicated to the struggle as any other revolutionary leftist movement. Talking about secterianism...

About as dedicated to the struggle as any other euro-communist party... Regardless of my opinion of sold out and washed up M-L groups, I would not post in a thread about one of their members being arrested and talk shit on said individual.

[FSL]

You support reactionary state suppression of other far-left activists.

Now answer the questions please, if you don't, we will assume it's because you're just another baseless slandering moron who has no idea what he's talking about.



You know, I try to be very careful with what I say to avoid things like this but it is just not enough sometimes.
Where am I expressing even the slightest enjoyment on him being in prison? I 'm even mindful enough enough to say he's only accused and not found guilty of anything yet. Later, I add that the organization has done no real harm to anyone, so It's obvious that even if he was indeed in it, a prison sentence would be out of the question.

You somehow interpret this as a show of support for reactionary state supression, either as a result of miscommunication or as a lie. You had no reason to lie so now that this is proved to not be so I 'll be expecting your apologies, certain you won't hesitate to admit your mistake.




About as dedicated to the struggle as any other euro-communist party


You obviously know what you're talking about. I 'd advise a stop to the library before going to paint the avenues of opression with revolutionary blood next time.



Who do you think you are to judge comrades like that. Calling genuine acts of class warfare 'lifestylism'. One might disagree with the actions, seeing them as ineffective perhaps, but rejecting them as lifestylism and smearing their statements is so far below the belt it is downright reactionary.

You might disagree with their actions, which is your right.
You might disagree with their politics, not being an Anarchist yourself, which is your right.
But such a cynical and disrespectfull comment towards a Comrade, albeit from a different tendency, is unacceptable.

Yes, I consider individual terrorism to be ineffective in the best case.
I don't consider them terrorists though. They don't look to me as the reincarnation of RAF or the red brigades but instead they seem more like lifestylists.
The organization's name is "Conspiracy of Cells of Fire". Shorten it a bit and it might be good for a rock band. Their genuine acts of class warfare were limited to burning cars and breaking bank windows as they started and lately using kiddie bombs on high-profile targets (better on their doors as they 're so far the only ones to have taken some amount of damage).

If this is considered sectarian coming from me (though I didn't take into account them belonging in another tendency in the slightest degree), can it still be considered sectarian coming from these guys http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_Struggle?

Their latest statement wasn't meant to take responsiblity of an action but instead to deny responsibility for actions and distance themselves from the latest urban guerilla groups that have been emerging.

But maybe this is just my idea and these actions are genuine acts of class warfare as you suggest. Feel free to support this position as I feel free to not do so.

[rebelmouse]

I support their actions. and I hope there will be more and more such actions. and I hope there will be more and more burning of capitalist system. for now, at least, foreigners burned france, denmark and uppsala in sweden.

I don't support those who spread words constantly against armed actions. I smell secret agency cooperator when someone constantly spread opinion against armed actions. secret agency wants to control way of thinking, their job is not just to arrest people.
of course, if someone is just against armed actions, it is his/her right, autonomy, but I spoke about individuals in our movements who constantly (everywhere) spread words against armed actions. they are surely rats.

I would like new RAF even I am anarchist, I would help them when they hide themselves, etc.
In any case, here are ways to liberate people from prison, just it is necessary to know his family in order to be in contact with him so he can be liberated.
here are videos, first video show liberation of prisoners with machine (I think english word is bulldozer), it was done in Denmark before many years.
second video shows liberation of vassilis paleokostas from korydallos prison.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiuleHxajAo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1T6QM-A-Cc

[ls]

You know, I try to be very careful with what I say to avoid things like this but it is just not enough sometimes.

So you think it's ok to call fellow far-left revolutionaries 'terrorists'? And what other regimes do you support I guess, I'm sure many of them are also considered 'terrorists', but sure when it's anarchists they are 'terrorists' just like the state wants you to believe. :rolleyes: Full thumbs up for not believing the capitalist propaganda.


Where am I expressing even the slightest enjoyment on him being in prison? I 'm even mindful enough enough to say he's only accused and not found guilty of anything yet. Later, I add that the organization has done no real harm to anyone, so It's obvious that even if he was indeed in it, a prison sentence would be out of the question.

So you think the Greek authorities who want to see people fry for dissent are probably going to let him off?


You somehow interpret this as a show of support for reactionary state supression, either as a result of miscommunication or as a lie. You had no reason to lie so now that this is proved to not be so I 'll be expecting your apologies, certain you won't hesitate to admit your mistake.

?You call them 'terrorists' what am I supposed to think? What should I apologise for as well? You have lied in slandering much of the Greek workers' revolt as "petty-bourgeois youth" except for the elements involved with your party which is disgusting and nots something that I nor most others on this thread would ever lie about - no matter what left current it manifested itself in.

By saying utterly disgusting shite like that and totally following the imperialist-capitalist popular line against the spontaneous revolts yourself, you are aiding capitalism and denigrating your own movement.. so well done. And I wouldn't mind if this was isolated, but KKE has done this to the extent it has damaged the Greek movement massively, it's disgusting and you should work to stop it from happening in your party.

[Delenda Carthago]

The members of Communist Party of Greece are NOT famous for their solidarity to anyone outside the party,as you very well might know Is.

Freedom to Panayotis,Manos,Haris.

[Honggweilo]

About as dedicated to the struggle as any other euro-communist party Lol, the old KKE was a eurocommunist party in the early 80's.. but all those reformist fucks got purged eventually formed Synaspismos. The solid ML'ist structure of the KKE is nowhere comparable to withering eurocommunist parties like the PCF

Also the KKE never denounced the riots as just acts of "hooliganism" and just criticized questionable targets like small shops and housing by insurrectionist youth and even said that these actions could have been caused by police provocateurs and hired fascist thugs . However the idiotic acusation of the KKE being a party of "law and order" is plain bullshit, when during the riots cadres in their student and trade union have been specifically attacked various times by police forces.


Yesterday, December 18, thousands of students from high schools and universities demonstrated towards the parliament despite the heavy rain, protesting the anti-peoples policy and the state repression, and denouncing the murderous attack against a student syndicalist. The demonstration was organized by the Athens Coordination of Secondary School Students, students’ unions and PAME. Similar rallies were held in several cities of Greece.
As we have already informed you, on Wednesday December 17, “unknown” shot against a group of students that participate in the students’ mobilizations in Peristeri. As a result Giorgos Paplomatas, member of KNE and of the 15-member students’ council of his school and son of a cadre of KKE, trade-unionist of PAME and member of the direction of the Teachers’ Federation, was wounded at his hand. The incident took place at 11.15 pm when a group of 12 students met in order to prepare the yesterdays’ demonstration.

The student was taken to the hospital, operated, and does not undergo any danger. The examination of the bullet shows that the shot came either from a “38 Special” or 357 MAGNUM pistols, contrary to the initial claims of the police that spoke of an air-gun. Costas Paplomatas, father of the student and trade-unionist of PAME, speaking to the press after the operation said that the fact is that “a gun aimed at a company of 12 children, at the time that they were discussing their participation in the mobilization of students. These children were members of the 15-member students’ school council of the 1st Lyceum of Peristeri”, he noted that this was “an attempt at assassination set up by obscure circles” and concluded that the only way out lies in the mass struggle of the people.

Yesterday evening the Athens’ organizations of KKE and KNE held a massive demonstration at the center of Peristeri, calling for an immediate militant response to the murderous attack as well as for vigilance and intensification of the struggle against the anti-people’s policy. The secretary of KNE Giannis Protoulis, speaking to the rally denounced the plans aiming to provoke, to intimidate and undermine the mass people’s movement and called for intensification of the organized struggle. “The way out lies in people’s organization and struggle” he underlined.

The press bureau of the KKE commenting on the murderous attack, as well as on the scenery of riots that once more created the “unknown” hooded groups yesterday in the center of Athens noted that “the continuous provocative action of “hooded persons” in the center of Athens affirms the statement of KKE that the repression mechanisms do not lurk only at the official mechanisms and apparatus but also at the hidden structures of the state.”
Today, Friday 19th of December, a new rally took place in the morning in Peristery, organized by the Athens Coordination of Secondary School Students and parents’ associations.

This article is exposing the fascist hired thugs who provocated, infiltrated and attacked demonstrators and bystanders, armed by the police.


Also, this next piece never denounced the uprising, only the tactics, for obvious reasons



On the assassination of the 15-year old boy in Greece
We condemn the cold-blooded assassination of the 15-year old Andreas Grigoropoulos from a police officer in Exarcheia-Athens .
The responsibilities of the police leadership and of the government are grave.
This incident is a result of the orientation and the formation of the security forces against the “enemy-people”, against the movement of the working people, against the struggling youth.
The state repression moves along with the attack against the life and the rights of the youth for work, for education, against the working hours with the flexible labor relations. Its objective is to intimidate the workers, the employees, the school and university students, the youth as a whole.
The acts of arson, the destructions have nothing to do with the mass movement of the people. This scenery legalizes the arbitrary and intimidating climate. It is an alibi to the politics of Nea Dimokratia government party, as it was an alibi to the politics of the previous governments like the socialdemokrats of PASOK, to hide that the objective of the repression is the movement of the workers, the peoples movement . Moreover, they are an alibi used to hurt the labor movement.
The only response can be given through the organized peoples movement, the militant, organized and self-guarded mobilization of the youth. So that the real responsibilities and the real causes will not be concealed, as it has been in other cases (f.e. immigrant torturers in police departments, the case of the Cypriot student in Salonica etc.). We appeal to the youth to demonstrate the frustration, the protests, the denouncement of the event, to demand with its organized struggle that the political and penal responsibilities are attributed. We call upon the youth to close down schools and institutions, Universities and Technological Institutions, Institutions of Professional Education, the training schools. The mass organizations must support resolutions of denouncement of the event, they must organize demonstrations and mobilizations. The youth, alongside the working and the people’s movement, must participate massively and in a self-guarded way :


I have sympathy with all those victimized by repression on the left in the wake of the december 2008 uprising, general strikes and university occupations. As i do with the writers report. But the last paragraph is a bit disturbing, as FSL justfully pointed out;


Society is not divided into classes but only into choices and consciousnesses. So let as learn from pain and pleasure, from blood and the street. We were born to exist as a whole in our inapprehensible uniqueness, inapprehensible because we can stand the pain, unpredictable because we were taught on the streets, ruthless because we will move against everyone, because we will learn to meticulously tie steel on our skin and paint the cement with revolutionary blood.

We execute morality as a prologue for destruction, we whisper with rage biting the words: WAR ATTACK because there is only beauty and strength, but some cowards in order to balance came up with justice.
.This just sounds like post-left nihilistic "anarchy without adjectives", denouncing class struggle, using extremely conservative moralistic jargon (no offence but it looks like some nazbol wrote it; beauty, honor, strength, blood)... So you cant really blame FSL for denouncing that. Calling them terrorist though is something i have no knowledge of, i dont know what he is accusing the writer of this piece of, but he seems to be denying terrorist/insurrectionist actions so... But then again i dont know the situation.

[Wanted Man]

Society is not divided into classes but only into choices and consciousnesses. So let as learn from pain and pleasure, from blood and the street. We were born to exist as a whole in our inapprehensible uniqueness, inapprehensible because we can stand the pain, unpredictable because we were taught on the streets, ruthless because we will move against everyone, because we will learn to meticulously tie steel on our skin and paint the cement with revolutionary blood.

We execute morality as a prologue for destruction, we whisper with rage biting the words: WAR ATTACK because there is only beauty and strength, but some cowards in order to balance came up with justice.

This kind of stuff could have been written by a nazi party, or (more probably) by a fantasy author or a power metal band.

I hope he will be freed, because every victim of state repression is one too many. That kind of solidarity is a basic matter that we can all agree on, but that does not include solidarity with his actions or ideas.

[Delenda Carthago]

Panayotis is a nihilist,very much influenced by Nechaev.And like him or not,he is a true revolutionary.If y all where as close to give it all for the revolution as he is,you may be able to understand why he talks a language that your insolvent slants dont get.He loves,he hates,he breathes as a young,strong and healthy revolutionary should.

PS.Political views is a different matter.

[FSL]

Lol, the old KKE was a eurocommunist party in the early 80's.. but all those reformist fucks got purged eventually formed Synaspismos. The solid ML'ist structure of the KKE is nowhere comparable to withering eurocommunist parties like the PCF


KKE itself never was eurocommunist. There was a split in 1968 and those that left formed the eurocommunist "KKE interior" (to show they're not agents of Moscow...). This party was the main predecessor to Synaspismos.


So you think it's ok to call fellow far-left revolutionaries 'terrorists'? And what other regimes do you support I guess, I'm sure many of them are also considered 'terrorists', but sure when it's anarchists they are 'terrorists' just like the state wants you to believe. http://www.revleft.com/vb/letter-imprisoned-comrade-p1606898/revleft/smilies/001_rolleyes.gif Full thumbs up for not believing the capitalist propaganda.


And you keep on going. Saying "terrorist (!!!)" was demonstrating sarcasm since not by any stretch of the imagination would I consider them terrorists. The image of 20 cops each trying to grab some 20year-old that's never hurt a fly (and from what I think never will) was rather amusing.

As of my (personal) opinion of them, I see them and most of the wave of which they're a part of not as working class revolutionaries but as lifestylists gone a bit too far, an alternative trend in parts of the greek suburbia. Feel free to think opposite but them trying to come up with 92 different metaphors for revolution while failing to mention the words: worker, capitalism, property etc won't help in changing my view.



He loves,he hates,he breathes as a young,strong and healthy revolutionary should.




Edit: Just saw that, ok if that's not emo talk then what is? Warrior poets are on the loose!

[Delenda Carthago]

In 21st century,a revolution would be a romantic one,or it would be nothing.

[FSL]

In 21st century,a revolution would be a romantic one,or it would be nothing.


May the winds of tomorrow blow strong on your sails comrade as we ride the inevitable tide that will drown our enemies.


(Can people outside of Greece understand what I mean now or you 'll keep on insisting you know everything better?)

[bcbm]

This article is exposing the fascist hired thugs who provocated, infiltrated and attacked demonstrators and bystanders, armed by the police.

i got the impression that when they speak of "hooded persons," they're talking about the anarchist groups that physically engage the police and basically calling them police agents, which is pretty despicable. it could be a misunderstanding, but i know there's no love lost between anarchists and the kke.

[ls]

And you keep on going. Saying "terrorist (!!!)" was demonstrating sarcasm since not by any stretch of the imagination would I consider them terrorists. The image of 20 cops each trying to grab some 20year-old that's never hurt a fly (and from what I think never will) was rather amusing.

As of my (personal) opinion of them, I see them and most of the wave of which they're a part of not as working class revolutionaries but as lifestylists gone a bit too far, an alternative trend in parts of the greek suburbia. Feel free to think opposite but them trying to come up with 92 different metaphors for revolution while failing to mention the words: worker, capitalism, property etc won't help in changing my view.

Generally you would think they've caused some kind of trouble for the state, if 25 anti-terror cops arrest them.

As for suburbia, I wouldn't be surprised if you held some weird view that the suburban working-class isn't actually working-class. Most lifestylists I've met (this is purely just my experience, I know it can't just be applied to Greece) are actually completely working-class, like to the point where you couldn't mistake them for being anything else, so yeah I don't know.

[FSL]

Generally you would think they've caused some kind of trouble for the state, if 25 anti-terror cops arrest them.

As for suburbia, I wouldn't be surprised if you held some weird view that the suburban working-class isn't actually working-class. Most lifestylists I've met (this is purely just my experience, I know it can't just be applied to Greece) are actually completely working-class, like to the point where you couldn't mistake them for being anything else, so yeah I don't know.


You'd think that, people would know they aren't as much as an annoyance (now they 've moved away from car burning at least -before that they must have been quite annoying for many). The only ones arguing differently are angry TV pundits complaining about lack of order.And you. The capture was a staged show, so the minister could go out and brag about how much he looks after everyone.
And I also hold the weird view that suburban middle class is middle class. For example, their hideout was in one of the priciest suburbs of Athens.

[Honggweilo]

KKE itself never was eurocommunist. There was a split in 1968 and those that left formed the eurocommunist "KKE interior" (to show they're not agents of Moscow...). This party was the main predecessor to Synaspismos.


well former general secretary Grigoris Frakos had eurocommunist leanings, which became obvious when he decided to join Synaspismos.

[bcbm]

You'd think that, people would know they aren't as much as an annoyance (now they 've moved away from car burning at least -before that they must have been quite annoying for many). The only ones arguing differently are angry TV pundits complaining about lack of order.And you. The capture was a staged show, so the minister could go out and brag about how much he looks after everyone.
And I also hold the weird view that suburban middle class is middle class. For example, their hideout was in one of the priciest suburbs of Athens.

middle class is a sociological term based on income, not relationship to the means of production.

[ls]

You'd think that, people would know they aren't as much as an annoyance (now they 've moved away from car burning at least -before that they must have been quite annoying for many).

And your idea on disaffected youth is that they should what? Stay inside instead?


The only ones arguing differently are angry TV pundits complaining about lack of order.And you. The capture was a staged show, so the minister could go out and brag about how much he looks after everyone.

I'm not saying that isn't what happened, but obviously the revolt must be doing something if repression is that hardcore, we all know the Greek state/police etc don't mess around, but they don't go around just doing that everyday, or they didn't anyway.


And I also hold the weird view that suburban middle class is middle class. For example, their hideout was in one of the priciest suburbs of Athens.

That proves nothing at all, do you think working-class people don't live in "pricy suburbs". Even here in London, in the most expensive part (West Kensington) you can find council estates filled with only working-class people and there's a surprisingly high amount of them, they are just policed 24/7, have a lot of internal conflict between people and yeah, working-class consciousness there is very weak, even though the people are undeniably working-class.

[FSL]

And your idea on disaffected youth is that they should what? Stay inside instead?

I'm not saying that isn't what happened, but obviously the revolt must be doing something if repression is that hardcore, we all know the Greek state/police etc don't mess around, but they don't go around just doing that everyday, or they didn't anyway



You know,yesterday as we were talking about this, a worker who participates in PAME (the kke affiliated union) got sentenced to 10 months in prison for attacking a scab. There wasn't much -any actually- talk of it on the news. No stories on the bourgeois press. He didn't feel the need to release a personal statement but if he did it would be something boring like "Workers need to organise and fight back against capital and the government that represents it" so no one would publish it anyway.

So, no, youth shouldn't stay inside. But if youth is to be mindless and stupid, then they might as well. The greek police is chasing the scarecrows created by the media and the far right and this chase we get to see broadcasted live for our pleasure and reassurance. At the same time it tries its best to turn workers into slaves and this gets much less coverage.

There is a lot of bragging, a lot of arrogant talk here that is directed to people who everytime they go on strike or support the wrong union risk losing their lousy salary , in quite a few cases more. People in their 20s who've never worked, who are supported by their parents, who just downplay and criticize and proceed to burn or break or loot. Does it increase concience? 'Who cares'. Does it bring more workers closer to changing their minds? 'Ah, fuck'em, we bring tomorrow with us!' It does create tension and no I won't be showing sympathy any time soon. They can wake up and smell the coffee or they can end up as the living, breathing trophies of the anti-terrorist department. I'm no one's nanny.

[Delenda Carthago]

And I also hold the weird view that suburban middle class is middle class. For example, their hideout was in one of the priciest suburbs of Athens.

Typical stalinist KKE liar.

First of all,that wasnt a hideout.It was one of the guyw house.And if you check the video,you ll see that it wasnt luxurious at all.
watch?v=FRP-nFiHqkM

Secondly,one of the arrested guys(P.Masouras) lived in a typical working class area-Peristeri.And as his mother told the press,he was working 3 jobs.

Last but not least at all,all you do is spread the propaganda of the media.Just what your clown party did during the uprise of December or the revolt of Polytechnic School in 1973.Since Varkiza treaty,everything that KKE cant control and manipulate,is false/provokative/lie etc.And if you beg the diffrent,I ll upload videos from greek media to prove what I m saying so that everyone here will learn what is known in Greece decades now.

[FSL]

Typical stalinist KKE liar.


Hi there.


First of all,that wasnt a hideout.It was one of the guyw house.


Kinda my point.



Secondly,one of the arrested guys(P.Masouras) lived in a typical working class area-Peristeri.And as his mother told the press,he was working 3 jobs.



His mother's statement.
«Οχι βέβαια, ο γιος μου δεν ήταν ξυλουργός. Ο γιος μου έκανε τρεις δουλειές, ασχολούταν με την επιχείρηση του συζύγου μου, δηλαδή με τις οικοδομικές επιχειρήσεις που έχουμε, αλλά έκανε και ντελίβερι ή άλλες δουλειές που έβρισκε μόνος του»


And you can confirm that it translates roughly to:

Of course not, my son wasn't a carpenter. (he had made that claim to his landlord). My son had 3 jobs, occupied in my husband's bussiness, that is the construction companies we own, but also delivering food or other jobs he could find.


This family's drama brings tears to my eyes. Holiday in Cambodia lyrics come to mind.

[The Essence Of Flame Is The Essence Of Change]

To clear some things up:

- FSL is in the KKE, he has admitted it many times and he speaks like a typical KKE member in every post I have seen him talk till now.To his defense, he never tried to hide it or anything.

- The cores of fire, as any other individual team have a certain way of action you might not agree with.Personally, I too believe that individual acts of violence serve nothing and only distance themselves from the struggle to a classless society.However, calling them ''terrorists'', a name used by the ruling class against anyone who actively battles their profits is absurd and trolling at best.I see as terrorists the people who rule us.

- As for the alleged accuse of lifestylism, come on.The tone of that letter saddens me too, speaking about personal choice and free will something that goes against the materialistic truths that define our society.If you leave that outside I see nothing wrong with adding a more poetic tone to a struggle if it remains focused, since we as humans have also an emotional side that defines part of our needs as well.There has not been one revolution that has not been romanticized and not one group of people who have not risen up to their masters without some kind of emotion empowering them to give them courage.*cough cough* revolution hymns and songs *cough cough*

- Whatever your opinion on the discussed group is, it is one thing critisizing their actions and a whole other rejecting them and branding them us petit- bourgeioise hooligans, justifying the state's stance, something that just shows lack of solidarity and hypocrisy.While I, and most anarchists would never agree with you orthodox marxist-leninist folk and we wouldn't support a dictatorship of the proletariat, we would always show solidarity and recognition for state-oppressed protesters and prisoners of your side.

- KKE's stance against protest and it's whole existence can be described at best as reactionary.I do not doubt there are certain individuals inside KKE that do not apply to this statement and are genuine leftists but when speaking of organisations you speak about the whole.KKE has rejected any greek movement not coming from their party with lies that even the media dare not use.They radiate nationalism, conservatism, sectarianism, stupidity and a mix of soviet nostalgia along with a mind stuck in 1980's reality, wherever they speak.Last year on the episodes of December, the KKE tried to portray the uprising as some kind of petit bourgeioise and hooligan rich kids having fun on the expense of the working's class possesions, allying politically with the State.Every other political party of the broader left, (with the exception of Sunaspismos which is a vortex of different tendencies and changed it's statement twice) even the damn Trotsykists, showed solidarity and support for that movement.

PS.No, unfortunately we have no serious Black Cross action, at least from my experiences.Oh, and Holiday in Cambodia is one of the most insightful punk songs of that era so you just shut it. :)

[Andropov]

When other people involved in the struggle get locked up, its not time for secterianism.
Utter hypocricy.
Ive lost count of the amount of posters here who have labelled INLA POW's gangsterist thugs and general drivel like that.
So please dismount yourself from that pedastel.

[NecroCommie]

who has been terrorized by the actions of this group?
The ruling class...

[nuisance]

Utter hypocricy.
Ive lost count of the amount of posters here who have labelled INLA POW's gangsterist thugs and general drivel like that.
So please dismount yourself from that pedastel.
Because other posters do it, cmoneys opinion on the subject is irrelevant? What? :confused:

[The Douche]

Utter hypocricy.
Ive lost count of the amount of posters here who have labelled INLA POW's gangsterist thugs and general drivel like that.
So please dismount yourself from that pedastel.

For me to be a hypocrite, I would've had to talk shit on INLA POWs. Perhaps you have me confused with somebody else, as I ever never done that. My whole issue in the thread was that it is inappropriate to shit all over people involved in the struggle who are locked up, despite your ideological differences.

[Andropov]

For me to be a hypocrite, I would've had to talk shit on INLA POWs. Perhaps you have me confused with somebody else, as I ever never done that. My whole issue in the thread was that it is inappropriate to shit all over people involved in the struggle who are locked up, despite your ideological differences.
Aye fair enough.
Hopefully ill see you defending any INLA POW's the same way you defend these Anarchists.
BTW I share your sentiments about political prisoners.
Regaurdless of their tendency I would still fully support these men.

[ls]

Aye fair enough.
Hopefully ill see you defending any INLA POW's the same way you defend these Anarchists.
BTW I share your sentiments about political prisoners.
Regaurdless of their tendency I would still fully support these men.

We all know INLA prisoners are taken in on ridiculously trumped up charges whether we support INLA as an organisation or not, in that respect (and others that I currently can't elaborate well) they don't deserve to be locked away. I don't think many leftists would disagree with that.