Former Yugoslavian Teans Political Affiliations

[Holden Caulfield]

What are the political affiliations of teams like Partizan and Red Star?

[Sasha]

teams = capitalist
ultra's = mostly fascist, nationalist, nazi, nazbol i think

[Holden Caulfield]

I ment the fans not the teams, I should have worded my question differently

[Bandito]

No, they are not socialist, rednordman.
I would really like if you could explain that sentence.

In couple words, they are bastards of the Milosevic's reign. During the Yugoslavia period, they were a bastion of nationalism, along side with the churches. The claim that fans started the war(not caused, of course, but started) is actually true.
Red Star fans were lead at the time by Zeljko Raznatovic, a mobster and a millionaire, who later organized paramilitary troops and committed various actrocities against civilians. His gang of thugs, so-called "Tigers" were esentially members of the "Delije"(Heroes, Red Star fans). When they were led by him, they caused riots in Zagreb, Croatia's capital and repeated the nationalistic violence in the Belgrade rematch.
Here is the video about that event:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXr1Z-MiApo

Partizan fans, the "Grobari" are no different. Their hate and savagely behaviour is well-known, especially when they play against teams of other nations and religions. Their main group "Alcatraz" is nothing more than a group of drug dealers and they are known for their love for guns and knives. They are often used in political campaings for nationalistic political organizations.

Here's a photo that shows gloryfying of serbian war criminal Radovan Karadzic:
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/09uEgrH4zYbZL/610x.jpg

And one that says "Knife, wire, Srebrenica" that gloryfyies mass murder of Bosnia muslims:
http://www.e-novine.com/files.php?file=photo/region/BiH/srebrenica/noz_zica_srebrenica_320_a_141065438.jpg

Note that both groups work with openly fascist organizations like "Obraz" and that they together organized gay bashing on the first Gay Pride parade in Belgrade.
This year the Gay Pride is called off because of their threats of violence agains homosexuals.
http://www.gayecho.com/NewsImages/slideshow/grafiti-beograd.jpg

The grafitti says:
"Death to faggots!
Grobari"


The only fans in Serbia that are not driven by nationalistic feelings are Vojvodina from Novi Sad. They base their views on local patriotism and they copy the english stlye of suppoting. Their main group is called Red Firm.
The "Firm" part is bacause of the West Ham brotherhood, and the "Red" part is because it once consisted of working class, antifascist skinheads. ANTIFA is now a small fraction on the Vojvodina stand, but fascists were never allowed.
That surely cannot be said about Red Star and Partzan, no matter how much their names resemble our movement.


EDIT: rednordman explained, :)

[rednordman]

No, they are not socialist, rednordman.
I would really like if you could explain that sentence.

In couple words, they are bastards of the Milosevic's reign. During the Yugoslavia period, they were a bastion of nationalism, along side with the churches. The claim that fans started the war(not caused, of course, but started) is actually true.
Red Star fans were lead at the time by Zeljko Raznatovic, a mobster and a millionaire, who later organized paramilitary troops and committed various actrocities against civilians. His gang of thugs, so-called "Tigers" were esentially members of the "Delije"(Heroes, Red Star fans). When they were led by him, they caused riots in Zagreb, Croatia's capital and repeated the nationalistic violence in the Belgrade rematch.
Here is the video about that event:
uXr1Z-MiApo

Partizan fans, the "Grobari" are no different. Their hate and savagely behaviour is well-known, especially when they play against teams of other nations and religions. Their main group "Alcatraz" is nothing more than a group of drug dealers and they are known for their love for guns and knives. They are often used in political campaings for nationalistic political organizations.

Here's a photo that shows gloryfying of serbian war criminal Radovan Karadzic:
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/09uEgrH4zYbZL/610x.jpg

And one that says "Knife, wire, Srebrenica" that gloryfyies mass murder of Bosnia muslims:
http://www.e-novine.com/files.php?file=photo/region/BiH/srebrenica/noz_zica_srebrenica_320_a_141065438.jpg

Note that both groups work with openly fascist organizations like "Obraz" and that they together organized gay bashing on the first Gay Pride parade in Belgrade.
This year the Gay Pride is called off because of their threats of violence agains homosexuals.
http://www.gayecho.com/NewsImages/slideshow/grafiti-beograd.jpg

The grafitti says:
"Death to faggots!
Grobari"


The only fans in Serbia that are not driven by nationalistic feelings are Vojvodina from Novi Sad. They base their views on local patriotism and they copy the english stlye of suppoting. Their main group is called Red Firm.
The "Firm" part is bacause of the West Ham brotherhood, and the "Red" part is because it once consisted of working class, antifascist skinheads. ANTIFA is now a small fraction on the Vojvodina stand, but fascists were never allowed.
That surely cannot be said about Red Star and Partzan, no matter how much their names resemble our movement.


EDIT: rednordman explained, :)Thanks for the info. I always knew that there was a fascist tendancy within Redstar, just it suprises me exactly how prominent they are. After the history of the former Yugoslavia had with fascism, it shocks me how hardline nationalism has taken over. The same can be said all over eastern europe. Mabey I havent understood the situation (afterall i do not live in Croatia, Serbia, etc) but is there large amount of far-right supporters like is portrayed in the media?

[Sasha]

yup, in serbia they went from anti-imp-national-revisionist-bolshevik to plain hardcore nationalist-orthodox-christian to fascist.
croatia always had an big fascist potential (ustasche) thats why a lot of european nazi's volunteerd on their side in the war.
in bosnia you have an nasty mix of nationalist revanchism and moslim extremist influence

[Bandito]

@rednordman

Not what you can call a definition of a "far-right" supporter.
Those supporters are just a mirror image of what's happening outside the stadiums.
Orthodox christianity and nationalistic feelings, things that didn't exist on the stands before the war are now mixed with war memories and kids whose parents taught them to be xenophobic. Mix that with state propaganda during, after the civil war, and recently about Kosovo independency. So now you have an outbreak of a this horrible stuff.
Suddenly it became "trendy" to be proud of your heritage, be a proud Serb(or a Croat, it's not exclusive just for Serbs, same can be applied to most of ex-Yu countries) and other stuff.
Traditional fascists are a minority, but these types of "born again nationalists" are an even bigger threat than nazi-saluting morons. Because of this specific sentiment, national-socialist parties started emerging disguised as patriotic ones, and people are buying that shit. A good example is a paravan for nazi group- Novi Srpski Program. (http://www.nsprogram.org/)

[4 Leaf Clover]

well explained

all teams in serbia are right wing , and nationalist , no exceptions

Firm 1989 from Novi Sad is moderate , without expressive nationalism and similar , and some other groups like of the clubs Spartak Subotica , Radnicki Nis are moderate

but left is non-existant

acctually only left wing groups in entire balkan are Red Army , of FK Velez Mostar , and Robijasi of FK Zenica, from Bosnia

also Vojvodina fans are called red firm , not because it is their working class background , but red is their team colour

there are nationalist between Vojvodina too but it is not their ideology generaly