what is your opinion on Liberatarian communism

[The Red Next Door]

Are you a Liberatarian Communist and what is your basic opinion liberatarian communism?

[Искра]

Yes I'm and I think its great :)

Serous: I think that this is only model by which people can live in egalitarian society.

[Muzk]

Revolution has to be done by the people and for the people, not by any organization existing to take over the old government. This results in a state-beaurocracy where the beaurocracy exists as the only element.

Freedom is always the freedom of the dissenter, therefore everyone has to hold tight on to each others hands, in times of need, because workers stay workers, how ridiculous their beliefs ever are.

The revolution has to come from within, not from an outside organisation. The people have to do what is right on their own, not lay their fate into the hands of yet another leader.

Spontaneity! Anarchy! Socialism!

[Pogue]

Revolution has to be done by the people and for the people, not by any organization existing to take over the old government. This results in a state-beaurocracy where the beaurocracy exists as the only element.

Freedom is always the freedom of the dissenter, therefore everyone has to hold tight on to each others hands, in times of need, because workers stay workers, how ridiculous their beliefs ever are.

The revolution has to come from within, not from an outside organisation. The people have to do what is right on their own, not lay their fate into the hands of yet another leader.

Spontaneity! Anarchy! Socialism!

No offense but it gets really embarassing when you talk in slogans

[Kléber]

I agree with the principles about individual rights, egalitarianism etc. but I also think the ideology is a bit hypocritical, especially on the question of the state. If you advocate an armed revolution, you advocate a revolutionary state, plain and simple. A state is nothing more than a group of people with guns, and vice versa. Look at all the summary executions that the anarchists carried out in Spain and Ukraine - looks like a state to me.

Also I think spontaneity is a kind of BS theory like dark matter.

[gorillafuck]

Down with slogans!
Fixed.

I think that libertarian socialism (purely communist or not) is a generally good idea, though Kropotkins idea of an immediate transition to communism is pretty bad idea since it doesn't take what might be going on into account. And his criticism of collectivist "wages" system is pretty silly because it's based on the idea that since collectivist wages system isn't 100% perfectly fair, we should adopt a complete gift economy, which is obviously less "fair" (in the sense of reward for hard labour). If a gift economy can be made to function through a post-scarcity society than it should be put into place, though, since the idea of fair rewards would be pretty obselete in a society of abundance and technology. Also there are time when a decentralized economy wouldn't be a good road to take.

And I'm not a libertarian communist, I would describe my views as leftist and open to all anti-capitalism.

[Pogue]

I agree with the principles about individual rights, egalitarianism etc. but I also think the ideology is a bit hypocritical, especially on the question of the state. If you advocate an armed revolution, you advocate a revolutionary state, plain and simple. A state is nothing more than a group of people with guns, and vice versa. Look at all the summary executions that the anarchists carried out in Spain and Ukraine - looks like a state to me.

Also I think spontaneity is a kind of BS theory like dark matter.

Clearly you have no idea about what constitutes a state in anarchist theory, then.

[Muzk]

A state is nothing more than a group of people with guns, and vice versa.
epic fail... are you a trot?


Also I think spontaneity is a kind of BS theory like dark matter.
No argument, fail

[BurnTheOliveTree]

Its an evil ideology that has resulted in the deaths of uncounted innocents. Is should be opposed by all communists unequivocally.

What? Are you joking?

-Alex

[Weezer]

Its an evil ideology that has resulted in the deaths of uncounted innocents. Is should be opposed by all communists unequivocally.

:lol:

[The Ben G]

No. Durruti and Makhno were two of the worst murderers in history and they killed untold numbers of innocents in Spain and Ukraine in the name of libertarian communism. Libertarian communism is a dangerous anti-working class ideology that must be opposed by all workers and communists.

Yes and Mao and Stalin were perfect and killed those people "because they deserved it".:thumbdown:

[The Ben G]

Yes and Makhno and Durruti were perfect and killed those people "because they deserved it".:thumbdown::thumbdown::thumbdown:

No. In my opinion anybody who kills civilians is a monster. Anybody that torture anbody is a monster. So I guess we have a truce. Btw nice Micheal Parenti quote.:thumbup1:

[Niccolò Rossi]

Its an evil ideology that has resulted in the deaths of uncounted innocents. Is should be opposed by all communists unequivocally.

I'm not sure if you are trolling or being serious and just making a fool of yourself.

Marxists do not analyse movements or ideologies in terms of 'good' and 'evil', they analyse them in terms of their class nature.

Also, please provide some evidence for your claims, otherwise stop making them.

[Kléber]

Clearly you have no idea about what constitutes a state in anarchist theory, then.
I think any other definition imbues the state with more legitimacy than it deserves.



No argument, fail
Nothing is spontaneous in physics or politics. The most successful anarchist movements have had organizations to direct their activities.