Copenhagen

[Comrade Gwydion]

Say, hypothetically, I would be going to the protests there.
Say, hypothetically, it would be my first time on a demonstration of that scale.

How likely is one to get hurt, in what ways, and how to prevent/heal it?
Thank you^^;;

It's fucking stupid, I finally get the chance to show up at something like this, I'm getting stagefright..... Not cool at all.... :blushing:

[Sasha]

depends what actions you join, i asume you go for the more radical stuff, climate-justice actions you should be quite safe, nevertrustacop actions seem to be a bit more confrontative.
luckily for you police tactics in denmark seem to be quite similair to dutch ones (the dutch and danish riotpolice work a lot together, they are even going to borrow dutch riotvans again) so at least you wont be dropped in completly unknow terratory.

on represion during cop15: http://nevertrustacop.org/Main/AntiRepression & http://www.blackcross.dk/

on first aid/activist medical help: http://cop15firstaid.ucrony.net/

[Comrade Gwydion]

Unfortunately (or fortunately), I'm not very familiar with dutch riot-police either. Only protest I've been at were completely without police interference, or the student's riots of 2007, in which the police did use more violence then was justifiable against kids of ages 12 to 17, but nowhere near the amount I expect in copenhague.....

I'm watching the movie Battle in Seattle right now.... which, obviously, isn't helping ^^;;

Man, I'm fucking embarrassed, but I'm just scared :(:o:o:(:(

[Pogue]

Unfortunately (or fortunately), I'm not very familiar with dutch riot-police either. Only protest I've been at were completely without police interference, or the student's riots of 2007, in which the police did use more violence then was justifiable against kids of ages 12 to 17, but nowhere near the amount I expect in copenhague.....

I'm watching the movie Battle in Seattle right now.... which, obviously, isn't helping ^^;;

Man, I'm fucking embarrassed, but I'm just scared :(:o:o:(:(

Don't be scared. Its not as daunting as you think. Just stay on your toes, don't be on your own, be quick if you need to be. Just keep your cool and protect yourself when you need too.

If you get forced to the front of a crowd and the police are batoning it, put your fists up in front of your face so you can protect yourself from getting punched or batoned by the police, and make sure you don't lose your footing in crowd surges.

[ellipsis]

Remember that when you stand united and strong in the face of danger with other comrades, your safety and ability to resist grows exponentially. Or so I imagine.

[Pogue]

Remember that when you stand united and strong in the face of danger with other comrades, your safety and ability to resist grows exponentially. Or so I imagine.

Unforuntately romantic poetic sloganeering doesn't translate into effective advice. ;)

I know what you're saying though. Yes, stick together, and yes, doing well builds your confidence, but you need to have effective strategies of how to work as a team, etc.

[bricolage]

Are you planning going by yourself or as part of an affinity group?

[Comrade Gwydion]

The dutch chapter of the International Socialist Tendency. I really wouldn't know wether they're part of a larger affinity group there, although they link to this site:
http://www.globalclimatecampaign.org/

[Q]

The Dutch IS aren't known for causing trouble. Their English counterparts even hand over troublemakers to the police themselves.

[The Ungovernable Farce]

Yeah, I imagine you'd probably be safe with the IS, although you can never be sure they won't just flip out and start randomly attacking people. Anyway, I've only experienced English police, who may be less brutal, but I'd say that it's usually possible to avoid them. There's no shame in running away if necessary, and remember that the people who get injured or arrested are only a tiny tiny minority of the people who turn up and get involved. If you're that scared, then just make sure to always stay in the middle of a crowd, since the cops can only baton the people who're nearest to them. And there's nothing wrong with being scared, before G20 or the smash EDO demo I've been on I was practically shitting myself. I survived both OK, tho. And bruises fade, but if you miss out on something you think is worthwhile because of nerves, you'll probably be angry with yourself for a lot longer. Hope at least some of that helps.

[Delenda Carthago]

The Dutch IS aren't known for causing trouble. Their English counterparts even hand over troublemakers to the police themselves.

Hmmm,snitching.Very revolutionary habit!:laugh:

[An archist]

Well, if you're scared, you'll probably have some adrenalin running through your body, so you'll be alert and usually you can see the signs when things start to go wrong, for example if all of a sudden there's a load of people going one way, and masked people going the other way, it should be pretty obvious where you want to be.
If the Danish police are anything like the dutch, you'll be alright, dutch cops are surprisingly chill;)

[ungkommunist-dk]

hope to se your all in copenhagen

[Comrade Gwydion]

Well, if you're scared, you'll probably have some adrenalin running through your body, so you'll be alert and usually you can see the signs when things start to go wrong, for example if all of a sudden there's a load of people going one way, and masked people going the other way, it should be pretty obvious where you want to be.
If the Danish police are anything like the dutch, you'll be alright, dutch cops are surprisingly chill;)
Yeah, but I thought they made up for that as soon as they got RIOT-duty ;)

But you're right.... They only intervene against school-kids, as soon as something is a real threat (football holigans, climate-protesters etc,) they chicken out :P

[DancingLarry]

Let the Ungdomshuset experience be your guide. Some videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVJZWves5l4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iupbxsHGlAA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnQBkOcmmFM

[Mowgli]

Can anybody help me with finding a sleeping place in Kopenhagen?

[Rory]

The Dutch IS aren't known for causing trouble. Their English counterparts even hand over troublemakers to the police themselves.

Not true. But don't let facts get in the way of sectarian bullshit.

[Comrade Gwydion]

Can anybody help me with finding a sleeping place in Kopenhagen?

Dunno. Try [email protected]
They offer busses and sleepingplaces for those who go with their busses, but perhaps they can help you with sleeping place as well.

[Q]

Not true. But don't let facts get in the way of sectarian bullshit.

Oh, but I'm basing myself on facts (http://www.revleft.com/vb/report-october-31-t121716/index.html?p=1590610#post1590610). How does that make me sectarian?


Can anybody help me with finding a sleeping place in Kopenhagen?

Seeing as you're from Belgium I'd suggest you contact the LSP (http://www.socialisme.be/lsp) for this. The CWI has an international mobilisation. You can also try to contact anarchists though, although I'm less sure about who to go to.

[Mowgli]

I contacted Antifa Berlin, they have 4 buses going, but they're all full. I'm looking for an organisation like this, cause otherwise I have to look for everything on my own, since I'm going alone.

[The Ungovernable Farce]

A bit obvious, but have you looked around much on Belgian indymedia? I'd imagine that if anyone was going, they'd advertise it on there.

ETA: God, I wish I was going, I'd love to see 4 busloads of Berlin Antifa in action.

[Mowgli]

A bit obvious, but have you looked around much on Belgian indymedia? I'd imagine that if anyone was going, they'd advertise it on there.

ETA: God, I wish I was going, I'd love to see 4 busloads of Berlin Antifa in action.

Yeah I checked, didn't find anything. Damn, what a letdown that I can't go with the Berlin bus. :unsure:

[Rory]

Oh, but I'm basing myself on facts (http://www.revleft.com/vb/report-october-31-t121716/index.html?p=1590610#post1590610). How does that make me sectarian?



Seeing as you're from Belgium I'd suggest you contact the LSP (http://www.socialisme.be/lsp) for this. The CWI has an international mobilisation. You can also try to contact anarchists though, although I'm less sure about who to go to.

No SWP members handed anyone over to police on that day. It's simply not true. In the incident you refer to, it was actually SWP members who gave the fascist a kicking. So fuck off. Prick.

[Q]

No SWP members handed anyone over to police on that day. It's simply not true. In the incident you refer to, it was actually SWP members who gave the fascist a kicking. So fuck off. Prick.

This is growing somewhat offtopic, but this needs a response.

Could you perhaps respond on the content instead of resorting to baseless namecalling? "Sectarian", "prick", etc. aren't answers but a way of disqualification. The implicit logic being that because I'm a "sectarian" you don't have to go to the content of the matter.

You say that the SWP didn't hand over a comrade to the police, I have a full report and several eyewitness accounts here on the board disagreeing with you. Also, as the report perfectly points out, the SWP didn't gave a kicking , they didn't even came close to the EDL but were "marching" in circles within the police confines.

So perhaps you could enlighten us more on the matter?

[Lord Testicles]

No SWP members handed anyone over to police on that day. It's simply not true. In the incident you refer to, it was actually SWP members who gave the fascist a kicking. So fuck off. Prick.

Everything Q has said in the above post is correct, although I'm not sure if the dimwit who handed over a comrade to the police was SWP, what was evident was that he was a UAF steward and was about as useful as a condom with a hole in it. Other eyewitnesses may be able to say if this chromosome deficient member of the human race was a SWP member or not.

[Rory]

This is growing somewhat offtopic, but this needs a response.

Could you perhaps respond on the content instead of resorting to baseless namecalling? "Sectarian", "prick", etc. aren't answers but a way of disqualification. The implicit logic being that because I'm a "sectarian" you don't have to go to the content of the matter.

You say that the SWP didn't hand over a comrade to the police, I have a full report and several eyewitness accounts here on the board disagreeing with you. Also, as the report perfectly points out, the SWP didn't gave a kicking , they didn't even came close to the EDL but were "marching" in circles within the police confines.

So perhaps you could enlighten us more on the matter?

You haven't got a fucking clue. You weren't there. I was. And I'm telling you what happened. Even the people who claim a comrade was handed over (and note they don't say it was someone from the SWP) say that it was the SWP who gave a kicking.

[Comrade Gwydion]

Back from COP15, back on topic ^^;;

Both SWP and IS (dutch) had lame slogans (actually only their/our standard slogans, so nothing that was directly linked to COP15 in any way), but both had the right message and the Danish, Dutch and English Comrades from the IST together where quite a fucking large and noticable group, so that was forgiven^^

Really surprised that there where 1000 arrests that day. Everything was really quite, even the Black Bloc didn't do anything. There were no reports of tear gas or police violence either, so we figured that both the police and we had behaved really friendly. (" Who's cops? Our cops!") Turns out the bastards had done quick and silent mass-arrests everywhere.

We had this journalist with us from a right wing newspaper (Leoni van Nierop, NRC). We were happy that finally they were inquisitive towards us. Came home, read one of the two articles she wrote about us (the other one you had to pay for): She totally made up the worst bullshit about riots and violence and shit. It's just a complete lie, and she knows because she was there with us. The prick. No wonder she didn't dare to talk with us that much.

Anyway, days after the police are still pricks. Almost no traditional police violence (no teargass, beatings etc), but fucking large-scale arrests. It's nuts.

[Q]

We also had a small contingent, consisting of Belgian, Swedish and German comrades. Some photo's (as far as I know no revleft users are depicted):

http://www.socialisme.be/upload/image/2009/12/14kopenhagen5.jpg

http://www.socialisme.be/upload/image/2009/12/14kopenhagen1.jpg

http://www.socialisme.be/upload/image/2009/12/14kopenhagen2.jpg

http://www.socialisme.be/upload/image/2009/12/14kopenhagen3.jpg

http://www.socialisme.be/upload/image/2009/12/14kopenhagen4.jpg

[Q]

Eyewitness report on the police repression (http://offensief.socialisten.net/content/view/814/75/) (in Dutch)
More photo's (http://offensief.socialisten.net/content/view/816/75/)

[Tyrlop]

well i was there, alot of police i must say. and it was cold.