Post-Trotskyist???

[Искра]

What does Post-Trotskyist mean???

I find it here (http://www.revleft.com/vb/group.php?groupid=287):lol:

[BobKKKindle$]

I think it means Trotskyists who think Cuba is a healthy workers state. For example, the American SWP, and the British group Fight Racism Fight Imperialism!.

[Revy]

I think it means Trotskyists who think Cuba is a healthy workers state. For example, the American SWP, and the British group Fight Racism Fight Imperialism!.

I think it can be used in that way but I think there are other meanings. The groups you describe are often referred to as having as a Marcyite position after Sam Marcy who was a Trotskyist until he supported the Soviet crushing of the Hungarian Revolution in 1956. I think that is what that group is referring to as well.

Another use of post-Trotskyist would refer to those wayward Trotskyists who have given up the idea of building a Trotskyist party and a Trotskyist international in favor of a more broad, democratic, multi-tendency, revolutionary path. This would apply to the LCR's efforts in building the New Anticapitalist Party, for example.

[bailey_187]

the British group Fight Racism Fight Imperialism!.

I dont think the RCG or FRFI are Trotskyist in anyway anymore. One member said to me they view the CPGB-ML as the group they are ideologically closest to on the left.

[L.J.Solidarity]

I don't know if anybody actually does so, but I guess you could call groups such as marx21 (formerly Linksruck, IST in Germany) or isl (International Socialist Left, 1 of 2 USec-Sections in Germany) post-trotskyist.
The former has completely dissolved their own organisation except for a magazine (and possibly very very secret other activities, but I don't think so) and started deep entryism not just in Die Linke, but right into Socialist Left, a pre-existing tendency within the party the name of which is quite misleading as they're actually keynesians. marx21 doesn't seem to have an official relationship to the IST any longer, either.
I think the isl is post-trotskyist because as far as I know, they don't use the name any more, prefering to call themselves "undogmatic marxist". They also don't seem to have any form of democratic centralism, as their (few) publicly visible members take very different positions on all sorts of questions - Thies Gleiss is a member of Die Linke's central committee while Edith Bartelmus-Scholich and other isl members, along with Worker's Power and some tiny ex-IST splinters tried to split a marxist party off the WASG in opposition to it's fusion with PDS (the project died when Worker's Power and the others mutually expelled each other from the proto-party) and haven't joined Die Linke to this day.

[Die Neue Zeit]

Another use of post-Trotskyist would refer to those wayward Trotskyists who have given up the idea of building a Trotskyist party and a Trotskyist international in favor of a more broad, democratic, multi-tendency, revolutionary path. This would apply to the LCR's efforts in building the New Anticapitalist Party, for example.

Or many of the comrades of the CPGB, who have also abandoned the archaic Trotskyist "program" of action :)

[blake 3:17]

Another use of post-Trotskyist would refer to those wayward Trotskyists who have given up the idea of building a Trotskyist party and a Trotskyist international in favor of a more broad, democratic, multi-tendency, revolutionary path. This would apply to the LCR's efforts in building the New Anticapitalist Party, for example.

Yeppers!

The term is a bit fluid. The small parties I've been in would probably be considered post-Trotskyist. Like other post-Xs, that doesn't mean any particular orthodoxy.

With the collapse of the Soviet Union it became unnecessary to maintain seperate groups over the exact classification of the USSR. I think it wasn't necessary before the collapse but that's another story.

[Weezer]

What does Post-Trotskyist mean???

I find it here (http://www.revleft.com/vb/group.php?groupid=287):lol:

I was about to ask the same question.

Also, the past-tense form of find is found. :)

I think Post-Trotskyism refers to Third Camp Trotskyism. Only thing that I can think of.

[Spawn of Stalin]

The RCG and their paper, Fight Racism! Fight Imperialism! are Marxist-Leninists, we are close to them as is the Turkish MLKP. However they were formed as a breakaway group from IS, there was a split shortly afterwards which led to the creation of the Trotskyist RCP.

The Democratic Socialist Perspective in Australia makes a claim to post-Trotskyism. In the late 1980s they left the FI and denounced the theory of permanent revolution but not Trotsky himself, instead taking an approach to world revolution not too dissimilar to the Maoist third world idea. I think post-Trotskyism can mean whatever the Hell you want it to mean really, another useless sect, like its cousin, third campism.

[chebol]

motionless wrote:


The Democratic Socialist Perspective in Australia makes a claim to post-Trotskyism. In the late 1980s they left the FI and denounced the theory of permanent revolution but not Trotsky himself,

Well, not quite. The DSP describes itself as "leninist", not "post-trotskyist". While it rejected the theory of permanent revolution (for Lenin's uninterrupted 2-stage theory - not the Stalinist/ menshevik mechanical 2-stage theory, btw), it still values Trotsky's contribution, both practical and theoretical (not least the Transitional Program, and his analysis of the bureaucratic degeneration of the Russian Revolution).

The reasons given at the time for the break with Trotskyism focussed on two perceived political errors in Trotskyism:


Firstly, "an underestimation of the role of national liberation struggles within the worldwide fight for socialism, in particular a programmatic error of downgrading the anti-imperialist united front and the democratic stage of revolution in the semicolonial countries, from which flow a sectarian attitude towards national liberation movements; this error was largely responsible for the delay by the majority of the Fourth International in recognising the creation of a workers and peasants' government in Nicaragua in July 1979;" Secondly, "an overestimation of the place, within the tasks confronting the workers states and within the world revolution, occupied by political revolution against the ruling castes in the bureaucratised socialist states."

http://www.dsp.org.au/node/139#Trotskyism (http://www.dsp.org.au/node/139#Trotskyism)

The full reasons why the DSP left the FI, on the other hand, can be read here: http://www.dsp.org.au/node/201