Irish comrades? - ne of ye here?

[pastradamus]

well answer tha dam question already,lol
& none of this "well my mothers,mother has a friend who is Irish so i am half Irish myself" stuff!

[BOZG]

You know I'm Irish of course.

[pastradamus]

Dublin isn't IRELAND!

dam dub!

[oconner]

I am Irish-ish, hello

[Needssomeconvincing]

I'm Irish. From Cork.
Turner's Cross to be precise.

[Mazdak]

Half Irish(Limerick)/Half Cuban (VIVA FIDEL)
However, isnt nationalism something that should be wiped away, all it does is divide people.

[pastradamus]

nationalism divide people?

[BOZG]

Yeah fuck nationalism.

INTERNATIONALISM

[Son of Scargill]

Patriotism And Internationalism.
By Mao Tze-Tung.

Can a communist,who is an internationalist,at the same time be a patriot?We hold that he not only can be,but must be.The specific content of patriotism is determined by historical conditions.There is the "patriotism of the Japanese aggressors and of Hitler,and there is our patriotism.Communists must resolutely oppose the "patriotism" of Japan and Hitler.To bring about the defeat of the Japanese aggressors and Hitler by every possible means is in the interests of the Japanese and German people,and the more complete the defeat the better....for the wars launched by Japan and Germany are harming the people at home as well as the people of the world.China's case,however,is different,because she is the victim of aggression.Chinese communists must therefore combine patriotism with internationalism......For only by fighting for the motherland can we defeat the aggressors and achieve national liberation.And only by achieving national liberation will it be possible for the proletariat and other working people to acheive their own emancipation.The victory of China and the defeat of the invading imperialists will help the people of other countries.Thus,in wars of national liberation patriotism is applied internationalism.

Mao Tse-Tung
"The Role of the CCP in the National War"1938.

[Son of Scargill]

Oh!And me mam's from Bray,does that count?

[Conghaileach]

I'm also from Ireland. The Black North, as most southerners call it. Belfast.

[Reuben]

Quote: from Mazdak on 4:17 pm on June 16, 2002
Half Irish(Limerick)/Half Cuban (VIVA FIDEL)
However, isnt nationalism something that should be wiped away, all it does is divide people.


I think there is a difference betwwenen being aware and even asserting your ethnic identity and being patriotic and nationalistic.

I am aware of my own minority ethnic identity but I would not say that I was proud of it. It is by know means a reflection of what I have acheived.


That is not to say that one should reject their identity as an expression of a shared history and culture.

SORRY FOR INTERUPTING YOUR THREAD, ill get uout now.

[BOZG]

It's fine to be aware of your culture and history but nationalism splits people in half. It is easier to build a global movement without any differences between the people.

[IrishRepublican]

I'm Irish, West Belfast to be exact.

[Vladimir]

Im from Southern Turkey, the name, hahha well thats just a running joke.

TurkishGuevara

[PunkRawker677]

my dog's sister's firend's mother's friend iguana's brother's half aunt's father in-law had a friend who was irish.. so i'm irish by osmosis..

[Marxist1848]

i am 3/4 irish...the rest is scottish....so i kinda stole land away from myself as history shows!

sean

[pastradamus]

Fáilte companacht cumannachas.

[Marxist1848]

Translate.

[Marxist1848]

Anyway.....
pastradamus....Go n-ithe an cat thu/ is go n-ithe an diabhal an cat!
Tis all I have to say.

[canikickit]

Ireland, Ireland, forever standing free!

Sine fianna fail!

[JAMES CONNOLLY]

HI. IM AN IRISH REPUBLICAN LIVING IN THE FREE STATE.

"The struggle against imperialism for liberation from colonial or neo colonial shackles, imposed by political arms or firearms or a combination of the two, is inseperable from the struggle against backwardness and poverty, both are steps on the same road leading towards the creation of a new society of justice and plenty" Ernesto Che Guevara.

"Everyone Republican or otherwise has their part to play, No part is too great or too small, no one is too old or too young to do something" Bobby Sands (1954-1981) Irish Republican Army volunteer, Blanketman, M.P.
H-block, hunger strike martyr

[BOZG]

FUCK NATIONALISM

[canikickit]

"nationalism as an individual is fine but natioanalism politically is vile"
PR

[JAMES CONNOLLY]

GET UP OFF YOUR ARSES AND DONT JUST TALK THE TALK, YOU HAVE GOT TO WALK THE WALK, WE HAVE NO CHOICE NOW.

[munkey soup]

Dutch-Irish (mostly Irish)

[BOZG]

Get off our arses and do what? Kill people for a stupid patch of land. If the north is returned to the republic, there will be no peace. The loyalists will just start a bombing campaign like the IRA. FUCK NATIONALISM

You did not choose where you were born so its stupid to be proud of a country. Nationalism only divides the working class.

[pastradamus]

Quote: from BornOfZapatasGuns on 2:43 pm on Sep. 8, 2002
Get off our arses and do what? Kill people for a stupid patch of land. If the north is returned to the republic, there will be no peace. The loyalists will just start a bombing campaign like the IRA. FUCK NATIONALISM

You did not choose where you were born so its stupid to be proud of a country. Nationalism only divides the working class.

& im the pussy who wont fight? I couldnt give a fiddlers fuck if we got the north back or not,All i want is an equal society up there,where caothlics & prodestants can be treated fairly.

[BOZG]

I'm not out to spill blood. I'm out to fight for worthwhile causes unlike stupid nationalistic ones which will never end as long as nationalism and religion exist.

[canikickit]

Do you think we would be still under the British flag today if it wasn't for Nationalism? Micheal Collins and Dev and all those fuckers were nationalistic.
James Connolly was nationalistic and he wasn't even Irish.
Fuck fucking nationalism, fuck oppression!

[BOZG]

Look at what nationalism is doing in America, causing oppression and people are only too happy to allow it. They're happy to give up their constitutional rights for an injust war.

[munkey soup]

Nationalism to an extent is sometimes necessary, like canikickit said, Mick Collins, Dev, Connolly, Pearse, MacDonough, all these guys wanted a free Ireland.

But once nationalism turns into a way for the existing gov't to gain support for wars and agressive actions, or situations like in N. Ireland that just turned into tit-for-tat killings, this is when nationalism turns rotten.

[JAMES CONNOLLY]

OK LISTEN UP PEOPLE, I SAID I WAS AN IRISH REPUBLICAN NOT AN IRISH NATIONALIST. CONNOLY WAS A MAJOR FORCE IN INTERNATIONAL SOCIALIST THINKING AND THE FACT THAT HE WAS SCOTTISH DOESNT BOTHER ME OR ANY OTHER REPUBLICAN. REPUBLICANISM AND SOCIALISM ARE OPPISITE SIDES OF THE ONE COIN WHICH ARE USELESS WITHOUT EACH OTHER. THE 1916 PROCLAMATION IS ESSENTIALLY A SOCIALIST DOCUMENT WHICH ALSO SEEKS TO REMOVE ANY FORM OF RELIGIOUS PREJUDICE FROM OUR ISLAND, PREJUDICE WHICH HAS BEEN SUPPORTED BY AN IMPERIALIST WAR MACHINE, STILL IN MY COUNTRY. THE NOTION OF BRITISH SOLDIERS BEING NOTHING MORE THAN WORKERS IN UNIFORM IS ONE OF THE WORST LIES EVER PUT FORWARD. IF ANY OTHER WORKERS KILLED INNOCENT PEOPLE AND OPPRESSED AN ENTIRE NATION WOULD THEY NOT BE VIEWED AS AN ENEMY OF THE SOCIALIST CAUSE? THE REPUBLICAN STRUGGLE IS BEING FOUGHT FOR THE SAME REASON THE SOCIALIST STRUGGLE IS BEING FOUGHT ALL OVER THE WORLD, TO FREE THE PEOPLE. DO YOUR HOMEWORK PEOPLE AND DONT GIVE ME HALF ARSED DISMISSALS OF THE REPUBLICAN STRUGGLE.

[munkey soup]

ALL RIGHT, I AM SORRY FOR BEING SO IGNORANT, FROM NOW ON I WILL EMBRACE THOSE WHO KILL INNOCENTS IN THE NAME OF FORMING A REPUBLIC.

[JAMES CONNOLLY]

JUST OUT OF CURIOUSITY MONKEY SHIT, WHAT EXACTLY DO YOU KNOW ABOUT THE REPUBLICAN STRUGGLE?

[pastradamus]

I think every body here should stop using the term "nationalism",as its mostly used for propaganda purposes in which to paint a bad picture of sumbody.
For example,Brittish Tv calls The IRA nationalist,Ok maybe this is true.But is Britian not nationalist to a stronger degree?
Does the Union jack in itself not represent nationalism?

Heres my take on it,Fuck Violence......

The IRA & The UVF are just bloodthirsty animals.
True peace can only be achieved by silencing the guns that have raised havoc up there for so long.
Even nostradamus agrees with me there!

Oh & BTW,James connolly,could you stop writing with the caps lock on,It makes it harder to read.lol.

[JAMES CONNOLLY]

ok pastradamus ill leave the caps off since you asked nicely. i cant understand why people keep falling into the same old trap of reducing the conflict in ireland to that of two tribes fighting. if any of you are aware of the british policy of normalisation, ulsterisation and criminalisation then you will know what im on about. for those of you who dont ill try to explain it as best i can. it was a policy devised by a british government high level think tank as a means of defeating the I.R.A. an organisation they had already admitted to be a committed revolutionary organisation that they were unable to defeat through traditional methods. they basically handed policing duties from the army to the RUC, refused to acknowledge republican prisoners as political prisoners and basically portrayed the war as a fight against criminals which they were nothing more than a referee in. and judging by some of the replies posted they seem to have succeeded. they couldnt defeat the I.R.A. because they couldnt destroy their support base so they decided to try to alienate them from their support base by branding them criminals. they portrayed the war as a fight between rival groups of protestant and catholics. the core belief of republicanism is to create an island of liberty, equality and fraternity for catholic, protestant and dissenter. to suggest that it was simply a sectarian conflict is forgetting the fact that the I.R.A. were fighting against british oppression and occupation and not protestants. the I.R.A. was not involved in a sectarian war. their targets were never chosen because of their religious beliefs. the fact is that the I.R.A.s weapons have been silent for a long time and republicans have been the biggest supporters of the peace process. so when people say that its just a mess in the 6 counties and that they are all just murdering bastards there anyway who will fight just for the sake of fighting each other, they are just showing their complete ignorance of what is really going on. dont swallow the media hype, do your own research.

[pastradamus]

I support the Peace process 100%,but since 80% of the sectraterian crime is caused by loyalist's (brittish govt figures),I cant help but feel that the guns of the IRA are gonna start blazing again.

[JAMES CONNOLLY]

thought i was the only one up this late. the guns of the IRA are silent for good. the british securocrats would rather work hand in hand with dissedent republicans in an attempt to destroy the peace process rather than allow Sinn Fein into power. this is actually the most dangerous time in the entire conflict.

[PunkRawker677]

I fought my dog.

[IHP]

james connolly.

i dont know about the structures and so forth of the IRA, but i was born in Ulster and i experience some fuckin horrible things there. i escaped, luckily.

being irish also, you would know that ireland has the most beautiful country side in the world, but its gonna get fukt up. I am from belfast, but im not a protty, or a catho, im a supporter of peace and peace must be obatained!

the cause of the IRA is honourable, but i do not support it, nor the loyalists. im just sick of the whole fucken mess.

you obviously know a lot about the conflict, do you believe that peace can be obtained without this wholesale bloodshed?

[JAMES CONNOLLY]

i do believe peace can be obtained but its going to take a supreme effort to stop things going back to the way they were, the opponents of the peace process have an awful lot to lose if it works and they will do everything in their power to bring it down, thats why i believe its up to ordinary people like you and me to do everything we can to make sure it works. even if thats simply wrighting a letter to your local representative pressurising them to do everything they can to help fully implement the good friday aggreement. as you pointed out this is a beautiful country so is it not worth your while to give a little of your time to helping those who really believe in what the aggreement has to offer rather than let those who are opposed to it bring it down and thereby take away your right to a chance of peace.

[JAMES CONNOLLY]

its nice to know im not the only one who realises that what the I.R.A was fighting for is honourable by the way

[canikickit]

"Down from the glen came the marching men, with their shields and their swords. To fight the fight they believed to be right, overthrow the overlords"

Not the only one by a long shot, James.

[BOZG]

honourable...

What a joke.

[canikickit]

You don't think it is honourable to want to defend people from oppression?