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Die Neue Zeit
20th November 2009, 15:13
Rival CNWP launched (http://www.cpgb.org.uk/worker/794/rivalcnwp.php)



Another month and yet another call for a halfway-house working class party - this time by the Trotskyist group, Workers Power. Peter Manson is not impressed



Back in June Workers Power’s monthly paper published an article calling for “a democratic party like the New Anti-capitalist Party in France, within which revolutionary socialists would be able to mount an argument in favour of overthrowing the capitalist system for good. If you agree, contact Workers Power and join us in the fight for a new anti-capitalist party!” (Workers Power June).

By September this had been formalised into the ‘Call for an Anti-capitalist Party’, in which Workers Power comrades “appeal to all the trade unions and socialist organisations, to all activists fighting for resistance from below, to anti-racist and anti-fascist campaigners confronting the BNP, to the trade union leaders and members: let’s unite and build a new anti-capitalist party”.

WP hopes to see the establishment of “local committees for a new party” which would “start building roots in communities”. Eventually there would be “an open conference - bringing together unions, socialist organisations, workers, youth and left campaigners - to launch a new anti-capitalist party”. The call also looks forward to standing “a slate of candidates in the general election” - presumably before such a party is formed.

WP claimed in a leaflet put out for the November 7 RMT conference on working class representation that “nearly 300 activists” had signed up to the call, but at the November 14-15 Anti-capitalism weekend school Workers Power editor Richard Brenner was vaguer: he announced to the Saturday evening rally that “hundreds” had signed, including, he said, members of the Socialist Party in England and Wales and Socialist Workers Party, “whether their leaders want them to or not”. The new party he had in mind would attract “thousands” of people, he predicted.

He reported that WP had approached the SWP suggesting an initiative to form such a party, but the SWP leadership had responded that the “time isn’t right”. But the time for building a new party was now and standing a slate of candidates in the general election must be regarded as part of the process. As for ‘No to the EU, Yes to Democracy’, comrade Brenner did not know the process for getting involved. But “if the train doesn’t stop at our station, we’ll have to find an unconventional means of boarding” - not to mention “find out where it’s going”.

Writing in Workers Power in October, John Bowman elaborated further on the example of France: “The New Anti-capitalist Party (NPA) in France of over 10,000 members was set up, not primarily by an alliance between the left and trade union leaders with a programme written up behind closed doors, but by local committees of struggle in over 400 towns and cities across France. They developed a radical programme in an open conference of 600 delegates from these committees in February this year. In addition, the NPA, despite its faults, is a party of struggle that campaigns on the streets and the picket lines, not just outside the polling booths.”

The NPA was, of course, not formed as a result of some spontaneous coming together of “local committees of struggle”, as comrade Bowman’s account would have you believe. It was actually established on the initiative of the Ligue Communist Révolutionnaire, whose members made up the bulk of the local committees and eventually managed to draw in three or four times the number of LCR members. But WP is no LCR - its leader, Olivier Besancenot, is a national figure, who polled 1.2 million votes in the 2002 presidential election. So what chance is there of Workers Power, a group of a few dozen comrades, being able to ‘do an LCR’? To ask the question is to answer it. Either comrades Brenner, Bowman and Luke Cooper are playing a cynical game or they are seriously deluded. I fear it is the latter.

But there is another difference between the French and proposed British versions of the Anti-capitalist Party. Brenner and co are explicitly looking to the unions - national bureaucrats as well as rank-and-file members - to launch the new party. In this their approach is virtually identical to that of SPEW and its Campaign for a New Workers’ Party. But WP walked out of the CNWP earlier this year after the latter’s steering committee voted to back the first Lindsey strike (which, of course, began with some workers displaying placards with the slogan, ‘British jobs for British workers’).

I asked comrade Brenner during the Saturday lunch break what WP would do if either workers or union leaders that signed up to the anti-capitalist call used the same slogan themselves; or if, like SPEW (and the CPGB, of course), they were prepared to back Lindsey-type strikes despite such a slogan. His reply was less than convincing. While he accepted that it was more than possible that a party of the type he envisaged would include such people, he told me that there was a difference between a campaign, like the CNWP, and an actual party.

So let me get this straight: WP would work in the same party alongside workers or bureaucrats whose combativity came mixed with nationalistic ideas. But it would not support any militant action they took where the same mix was on display. However, even that would only apply once the party was set up. In the campaign to form it, WP would have to walk out if the majority, very sensibly, decided that the Lindsey strike was clearly over jobs, wages and conditions despite the initial reactionary slogans. Or have I missed something?

Minority

This is hardly an impossible scenario, since WP expects - hopes? - to be in a minority if its new party ever sees the light of day. This was made clear by WP comrades who spoke from the floor at the rally.

To say that the party had to be revolutionary from the beginning was to be passive, claimed one, while another asked us to imagine the meeting hall full of hundreds of delegates from the unions and socialist parties. Obviously in such a fantasy situation the revolutionaries would be in a minority: “Probably we would lose the initial argument.” This comrade thought that until such a time as the League for a Fifth International (WP’s oil slick ‘international’) gained prestige from having led a revolution (he thought that might happen in somewhere like Pakistan), we “have to engage with reformists”.

In view of all this comrade Brenner predicted from the platform that criticism of the call would come from two sides: first there were those who would say that WP was seeking to create a “reformist party”; second, others would say that WP wanted to “impose our revolutionary politics” on the new entity. However, neither was correct, he said. Although the party WP was seeking to establish would definitely not be “pluralist”, it would be “a democratic party where people could say what they think” (he did not explain what he meant by that - which, given WP’s recent record of expelling a third of its old membership, is not exactly irrelevant).

He summed up by saying that the new formation would “not be an alternative to the revolutionary party of the working class” - it would be “a way of getting there”. If ever there was a description of a halfway house, this was it.

Unlike myself, Barbara Dorn from the International Bolshevik Tendency was able to speak in the very short time available for debate. She denounced WP’s proposed “halfway house” and said that, while it might be correct to join a new party set up by left Labourites, as with the Socialist Labour Party when it was initially formed, it was not the job of revolutionaries to try and set up an SLP-type formation themselves.

In response, comrade Brenner denounced this approach as sectarian: it was necessary to “reach out to people breaking from Labour”, to “workers in struggle”. While WP did not want a party that was “half revolutionary and half reformist”, sometimes “the prophet has to go to the mountain”. He criticised groups like the IBT for joining a new party only if it was set up by reformists: “Let’s take the initiative, comrades. Let’s think and act like revolutionaries.”

Superficially this is an attractive argument. As comrade Brenner says, if we are in the forefront of the campaign for a halfway house, that will leave us better placed when such a new party is formed. That was certainly the case with the ‘revolutionaries’ of the Fourth International Supporters Caucus of Brian Heron and Pat Sikorski in the SLP. It was also the case, of course, with the ‘revolutionaries’ of the SWP in Respect. Both achieved influential positions thanks to their “initiative” in driving forward the halfway house in question and in both cases they willingly behaved like reformists.

But what else can ‘revolutionaries’ do when they find themselves in positions of leadership over reformists in a party constructed to attract non-revolutionaries? They must water down their Marxism if they are to appeal to the “millions out there”, as John Rees put it. If we suspend our disbelief and imagine comrade Brenner playing the role of a Sikorski or Rees, no doubt we can picture him toning down his revolutionism much more reluctantly than they did. But he would be forced to do that nevertheless. After all, if the masses will not join a party that stands for revolution, the revolutionary “prophet” will have to think of another way of enticing them.

Sympathetic non-WP comrades were on the platform. They included Nick Durie from the Scottish Socialist Party, who believes that “Unity comes from doing things” and that “a new anti-capitalist party has to come from the ground”.

Duncan Chapple from Socialist Resistance and Respect is a signatory to the call and, not unexpectedly, favours a new formation that will be unambiguously reformist (and rather to the right of the NPA): “We want a new party - a party where people don’t have to be a Marxist to join.” Like comrade Durie, he hoped it would be built “from the ground up” from the various struggles - “we must aim to occupy the whole space to the left of Labour”.

Andy Yorke, a WP postal worker, concentrated in his speech on winning union support. There are three broad positions amongst the unions. Firstly, those where it is necessary to mount “guerrilla war” on the “oppressive bureaucracy” just to get the question of working class representation on the agenda. Secondly, those like the PCS and NUT that do not have a political fund. Thirdly those like the RMT and FBU, which have broken with Labour. Comrade Yorke sounded exactly like SPEW comrades and their CNWP - he is definitely of the opinion that for the unions to disaffiliate immediately would be a highly positive step, even though there is clearly no viable alternative party to support.

Right now, said comrade Yorke, if WP addressed a group of a 100 workers engaged in militant struggle, “maybe five would join Workers Power”. But “what about the other 95”? They “can be won to revolutionary politics too”.

Carl Zacharia of Surrey Anti-capitalists is another signatory, along with his group, which brings together supporters of existing left organisations, including the Socialist Workers Party and the CPGB. But he said: “We don’t think the national groups are capable of meaningful unity”. He singled out the CPGB, which he implied makes the sectarian call to “build the Communist Party”, whereas in reality we appeal for the unity of Marxists as Marxists.

The evening rally was in effect the second of the day. The first session in the morning featured a panel of five speakers, consisting of four WP supporters/members and a representative of the striking Leeds bin workers. The intention was to display Workers Power at its best, as an organisation at the heart of every militant struggle. So comrade Yorke (CWU) was joined by Kam Kumar, who spoke of the importance of anti-racist work, Alex Kelly from Revolution, WP’s youth front, whose comrades have been active in attempting to physically confront the English Defence League, and Luke Cooper from the WP leadership, who talked about the current political situation and the need for “clear anti-capitalist answers”.

Comrade Cooper referred to the experience of what he called the “French workers and youth who formed the New Anti-capitalist Party” in France. In this session too WP or LFI comrades who spoke from the floor talked of the “tens of thousands of workers who could form a new party”. We “can’t sit around waiting for Labour to be reclaimed”, said one, while a comrade from Austria stated that an alternative must be provided “for social democrats who want to fight”.

Bash the fash

Attendance at the Saturday evening rally increased by perhaps a dozen or so over and above the 60-70 who were there during the day. Many were students or young workers whom WP has pulled into Revolution mainly around anti-fascist work. The leadership, particularly comrade Brenner, made a concerted effort to recruit them into WP itself.

Apart from the rallies, I attended two other sessions, the first of which was on the far right: ‘How can the BNP be stopped?’

Dan Edwards, a young WP comrade, shows all the signs of actually trying to think about the subject. Pity about the bog-standard far-left ‘bash the fash’ template he has to work from. He said, for example, that, in his view, the EDL is “not consciously fascist”, but is “playing the role of fascists”. His critique of the popular-frontist Unite Against Fascism was sound enough, but he came out with the usual nonsense: you “don’t beat the fascists by winning arguments”.

In my contribution from the floor I pointed out that an essential element of the communist analysis of fascism had been missing from comrade Edwards’ opening. The bourgeoisie turns to fascism in a revolutionary situation, where the proletariat is actually threatening to take power. But today, far from such a situation existing, working class organisation is in a pitiful state. However, if there were a revolutionary situation, would the bourgeoisie look to the BNP or EDL as its counterrevolutionary fighting force?

While nothing is impossible, it was much more likely that a new organisation of some kind would be summoned forth. I gave the Countryside Alliance as an example of a reactionary grouping that - while not fascist, of course - mobilised mass support and enjoyed the support of key sections of the establishment. For all these reasons it is foolhardy to regard groups like the BNP as the main and most immediate threat.

I also pointed out that it is necessary to “win the argument”. There was something worryingly elitist about the demand that far-right views be totally suppressed. While, unlike the SWP, WP is against demanding that the state denies the BNP the ability to state its views, it believes this is the job of communists always and in every situation. I said that it is not a question of defending Nick Griffin’s right to free speech, but about the right of workers - the future ruling class - to hear the arguments and decide for themselves. Or do we say that only the wise leaders can be trusted to judge which views are suitable for the masses to hear?

One WP comrade demonstrated this elitism to perfection. He said that there were two mistaken liberal arguments for ever allowing the BNP to be heard. First, it is assumed that the BNP can be beaten by “rational debate”, when this is impossible (like others who say this, the comrade did not explain why it is that a working class audience is incapable of choosing between BNP irrationality and scientific socialism).

The second mistaken liberal argument, according to the comrade, is that if people found out that the BNP were racists they would not vote for them. However, lots of people sympathise with the kind of opinions the BNP puts forward and these opinions would be strengthened if the arguments are heard. Obviously then, we should deny the ignorant workers the right to make a judgement in case they get it wrong.

Luke Cooper said that Marxists are the “strongest proponents of democratic rights”, but (there was bound to be a ‘but’) “not in the abstract”. Of course the CBI isn’t about to sponsor the EDL, he said, but it remains an immediate danger. However, he was contradicted by another WP leader, John Bowman, who said that “only people who don’t really talk to workers” (he meant people like me) could say that the far right was not sponsored by the bourgeoisie.

Comrade Brenner was at his most pompous. Didn’t I realise I was addressing a “courageous audience of communists” and my views were out of place? Unlike the “brother from the CPGB”, who displayed an “extraordinary bit of credulity” for taking the word of a fascist leader (I said that the EDL is clearly not a wing of the BNP), WP comrades had studied the history of fascism. Apparently this taught them that every statement of people like Griffin must be a lie - but you do not have to be a student of history to know that even pathological liars mix their falsities with large elements of the truth: the job of communists is to distinguish one from the other.

Comrade Brenner asked me: “Where have you been for the last two and a half years?” Didn’t I know that there had been the “deepest capitalist crisis” and we are about to enter a “period of sharp class struggle” (the implication was that this would produce intense polarisation between strongly organised communists and establishment-backed fascists)? I should be ashamed for “spreading deadly complacency” and for trying to “turn us away from our responsibilities”.

Marxist party

I was also at the afternoon session led by comrade Brenner, entitled ‘Two decades on from the fall of the Berlin Wall: 20th century communism - what went wrong?’ Here was the WP leader going all out to confirm those new recruits through placing his organisation firmly in the revolutionary Marxist tradition.

It goes without saying that the period beginning with the Russian Revolution was outlined according to WP’s version of Trotskyism - Stalin’s USSR was a “degenerated and degenerating workers’ state in transition to capitalism”. But the only reason I could detect to justify the “workers’ state” description was that the Soviet Union had a “planned economy” (although other comrades also mentioned nationalised property forms).

In my contribution - also from the floor - I disputed this claim. Comrade Brenner himself had said that genuine, effective planning could only occur under conditions of democracy - what existed in the Soviet Union was arbitrary target-setting. Furthermore, as comrade Brenner had pointed out, Stalinism ruled over the working class and imposed brutal conditions on it - describing this monstrosity as a “workers’ state”, degenerated or otherwise, was a travesty of the truth. Even in terms of opportunist self-promotion it is hardly an effective way of advancing an attractive image of the kind of society we are striving to achieve.

I also commented on comrade Brenner’s statement that “a revolutionary party has to have democracy - otherwise you have a load of people parroting a line”. I pointed out that several left groups, of which Workers Power is a typical example, have been characterised by minorities “parroting a line” with which they actually disagree. That is because the sect version of ‘democratic centralism’ insists that members who oppose the line are obliged to suppress that fact in public. I said that, if the working class is to be the ruling class, it must become familiar with the arguments of its leaders and be able to take sides between them.

Unfortunately, as with most of the sessions, there was insufficient time for the platform speaker to reply and comrade Brenner could do no more than urge comrades to join Workers Power in the couple of minutes available to him.

And that, of course, is ultimately the answer for WP. Even the revolutionary party which eventually emerges from the anti-capitalist halfway house will be but Workers Power writ large. But this is a hopeless scenario. While no doubt WP will recruit ones and twos, why should thousands flock to it, let alone the many millions that are needed, rather than to any of the other sects, not least the much larger SWP and SPEW?

But there is something the revolutionary left can do to make a difference. It can begin the process of Marxist unity within a single party - a party based on genuine democratic centralism, where, on the one hand, every comrade and minority grouping agrees to work to fulfil agreed decisions and, on the other hand, they have the right to publicly state their views and to fight to become the majority.

Q
20th November 2009, 15:25
You just beat me to it :lol:

I think it was a good piece, with criticism that counts for much of the far left. There is after all little difference between this campaign and the CNWP for example.

However, just to bounce the ball back to the CPGB for once: Why don't they dissolve the CPGB and start working in whatever party they deemed best fit to accomplish the goal of further uniting the left? To make the parallel with Lenin, his Iskra group was not a sect after all in the sense it had its own membership structures. It was just a paper, with a lot of readers in the many socialist groups in Russia at the time.

Die Neue Zeit
20th November 2009, 15:39
You just beat me to it :lol:

I think it was a good piece, with criticism that counts for much of the far left. There is after all little difference between this campaign and the CNWP for example.

You are free to post the usual article on the SWP (that SPEW stuff last week really was a one-time blow-up). ;)


However, just to bounce the ball back to the CPGB for once: Why don't they dissolve the CPGB and start working in whatever party they deemed best fit to accomplish the goal of further uniting the left? To make the parallel with Lenin, his Iskra group was not a sect after all in the sense it had its own membership structures. It was just a paper, with a lot of readers in the many socialist groups in Russia at the time.

Weekly Worker /= CPGB

The Morning Star folks decided to recreate the official CP, which has more functions than the paper. I'm sure the CPGB is trying something to expand its activities beyond its own paper.

Q
20th November 2009, 15:44
Weekly Worker /= CPGB

The Morning Star folks decided to recreate the official CP, which has more functions than the paper. I'm sure the CPGB is trying something to expand its activities beyond its own paper.

What I'm trying to say is that it might be more effective to build a bigger already existing group, like SPEW ;), instead of building their own. Aren't they making the same mistake they claim WP of doing in the article?

Revy
20th November 2009, 15:45
You just beat me to it :lol:

I think it was a good piece, with criticism that counts for much of the far left. There is after all little difference between this campaign and the CNWP for example.

However, just to bounce the ball back to the CPGB for once: Why don't they dissolve the CPGB and start working in whatever party they deemed best fit to accomplish the goal of further uniting the left? To make the parallel with Lenin, his Iskra group was not a sect after all in the sense it had its own membership structures. It was just a paper, with a lot of readers in the many socialist groups in Russia at the time.

Maybe that kind of party just doesn't exist. I doubt they would feel comfortable in SPEW or the SWP. Definitely not the CPB. I doubt they would see much use in joining any of the smaller groups.

CPGB is still a party that has participated in the Socialist Alliance and RESPECT. If another "halfway house" starts they are likely to join just to push their views.

The NPA in France already had momentum because they were the initiative of the LCR, which was already a very popular party in France. Workers' Power just does not compare.

Die Neue Zeit
21st November 2009, 04:03
What I'm trying to say is that it might be more effective to build a bigger already existing group, like SPEW ;), instead of building their own. Aren't they making the same mistake they claim WP of doing in the article?

That is if the SPEW even allows the CPGB comrades to do so. :p I like that scenario myself, but SPEW would have to resist any temptation to become Socialist Labour Party Mark II (as well as the generic Labour Mark II).

Olerud
21st November 2009, 13:48
Can't say I've met any Workers Power comrades. Can any of you give me a little background ?

Die Neue Zeit
21st November 2009, 17:34
Here are the relevant links:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workers_Power_(UK)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_for_the_Fifth_International
http://www.workerspower.com/index.php (their website)
http://www.fifthinternational.org/ (their international group)
http://www.fifthinternational.org/content/protest-power-manifesto-world-revolution (their programme)

Olerud
21st November 2009, 17:40
Thanks however I already looked at them. I was just wondering if anyone had any first hand experience with them.

Revy
21st November 2009, 18:46
On the split in Workers Power in 2006. See the part I bolded....it's not what caused the expulsions but it's relevant to this topic.


The following statement has been issued by the group expelled from Workers' Power:

The Split in the LFI: expelled members respond

On 1 July the leadership of the League for the Fifth International (LFI) summarily expelled 33 members, mostly from the organisation’s British section, Workers Power but also comrades based in Australia and Ireland. Those expelled included the majority of Workers Power’s trade union activists, and a substantial proportion of its leading members and regular contributors to its paper.

The supposed pretext for the expulsions consisted of “leaked” emails that discussed the possibility of leaving the organisation either prior to or during the LFI’s congress later this month. The LFI leadership issued a very lengthy public statement branding the expelled members as “petit-bourgeois dilettantes”, who had succumbed to the “torpor of the labour aristocracy in Britain” and were seduced by “Chinamania”. Along with the ritualised abuse, the statement contains a number of inaccuracies and falsehoods that cannot be addressed here, but have already been answered in a statement from the expelled members (go to www.permanentrevolution.net (http://www.permanentrevolution.net/)).

The real reason for the expulsions stems from substantial political differences which had developed over two years and resulted in minority and majority factions being formed. The expulsions marked the culmination of a long-running battle within Workers Power and the LFI, which first saw the emergence of an organised tendency in Workers Power (Britain) early last year. In March 2006, came the formation of an international faction for the first time in the history of the LFI and its forerunners.

An increasingly bitter dispute had developed over perspectives since the LFI’s last congress in 2003. That congress adopted what those of us now expelled had characterised as a "catastrophist" outlook on the world economy. This view provided a justification of sorts for the notion of a global "pre-revolutionary period" characterized by capitalist stagnation and crisis. It was accompanied by a "new turn" towards mass agitation that seemed designed to feed younger members recruited through the youth group, Revolution, a diet of hyper-activism. Under pressure from the tendency/faction the leadership retreated from some of the language of 2003, but did not discard the substance.

Increasingly, schemas replaced concrete assessments of the balance of class forces in particular countries and regions. The need for a serious analysis of imperialist globalization, the impact on the world economy of the collapse of the Stalinist states and the opening up of these regions to capitalist exploitation, the rise of China as an economic and political power, was dismissed. In the mindset of the LFI leadership the World Social Forum/European Social Forum became the vehicle for the imminent creation of a 5th International to be formed “in months or years”. Every fightback, large or small, was evidence of the new pre revolutionary period internationally.

The call for a “new workers party” became a mantra in Britain and a slogan applicable throughout Europe. Using the critical support tactic towards the Labour Party in Britain was abandoned – electoral abstention became the order of the day, with the tactic of critical support categorically rejected, even in circumstances where the BNP posed a significant electoral threat.

Workers Power issued a blanket call on the unions to simply disaffiliate from Labour despite the absence of a credible alternative. The leadership directed the group to act as footsoldiers for the Socialist Party’s Campaign for a New Workers Party, a left reformist project that has had precious little resonance to date.

As in most every faction fight, comradely relations broke down and with them went the once healthy norms of the organisation’s internal democracy. The LFI leadership increasingly resorted to organisational measures to marginalise the influence of the tendency/faction. The British organisation on the eve of the expulsions was already effectively split into separate youth/adult branches – ones that represented different factions. This was done against our will and against the group’s constitution.

The majority refused representation on the Political Committee to faction supporters, reducing Workers Power’s executive body to a factional tool of the majority – disciplinary commissions were set up with ever wider remits to hunt faction members on trumped up charges of indiscipline.

The expulsions have only brought forward the inevitable. It had become clear to the minority that the LFI leadership had no intention of allowing the fight to go beyond this month’s planned congress, much less of attempting to reach a higher synthesis through collective working.

For us this is not a time for despair but for purposeful reflection and action. Our intention now is to launch a new organisation in the very near future – in Britain a new magazine Permanent Revolution will be on sale shortly – not least because we wish to defend and develop what was best in the tradition of Workers Power (Britain) and its international tendency. This includes a commitment to international regroupment of the revolutionary Marxist left through a process of dialogue, debate, splits and fusions.

Permanent Revolution steering group 2nd July 2006.

Die Neue Zeit
23rd November 2009, 05:56
That congress adopted what those of us now expelled had characterised as a "catastrophist" outlook on the world economy. This view provided a justification of sorts for the notion of a global "pre-revolutionary period" characterized by capitalist stagnation and crisis. It was accompanied by a "new turn" towards mass agitation that seemed designed to feed younger members recruited through the youth group, Revolution, a diet of hyper-activism. Under pressure from the tendency/faction the leadership retreated from some of the language of 2003, but did not discard the substance.

There are two problems, generally speaking:

1) Except for those subscribing to the definition of a "revolutionary period" given in The Road to Power, practically everyone on the left doesn't know what a "revolutionary period" is.
2) "Agitate, agitate, agitate" and hyper-"activism" have together been the dominant tendency on the left for decades, discarding the old theoretical justification of "revolutionary period in our time" in favour of negative criticism of the Second International's "propagandism" and "schoolmastery" within the workers' movement. This is reflected, for example, in the critiques of the CPGB not "having links" (i.e., tred-iunionizm, left-populist protests, etc.) with the British working class, instead settling for so-called "gossip" about other left groups.

bailey_187
23rd November 2009, 20:07
Thanks however I already looked at them. I was just wondering if anyone had any first hand experience with them.

I went to couple of there meetings. Theres nothing else to say, they arent particularly interesting. Normal small Trot group.
There meeting in the summer about trying to make a new workers party was quite good, though not because of their contribution - they said the useual stuff, but a speaker from StWC was there and spoke about the 70s which was interesting