What do people think of the English Defence League?

[Free]

What do people think of them?

They love to look at this site!

"The way you defeat an enemy to learn as much as you can about the enemy."
"Revleft must be one of the funniest sites on the internet,you can have hrs of fun reading their sh1t,they seem to be one mixed up bunch."
"They are funny, their obsession with class borders on mental illness."

since they look at this website alot what do people think about them? In fact they will read this page. You can make them say what ever you like :D

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

I think they are either very dishonest or very politically inept. Ignoring the fact that yet again I went yet another day in yet another year where I wasn't blown up on a bus I really do think that if they are just people who are concerned about the Islamic extremism then they have chosen an inappropriate tactic as their marches if anything are likely to create a them and us situation for Muslim youth. Of course this is assuming that they are just anti religious extremist - which they aren't they remain disgusting deceitful racist fucks who are a shit stain upon any attempt by humanity to improve it's conditions.

[Bud Struggle]

Fascism "lite."

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

Fascism "lite."

I don't think thats a very useful way of looking at the situation.

[Holden Caulfield]

I am suspect of any group that decide to pick an ethnic minority (or part of one/all of one really) as the subject of their rage in a period where the governments are promising to fuck us over and not even pretending and where the entire capitalist system hit the fan (something we will have to pay for).

Misdirected rage with negative consequences at very best,
A (possibly) hijacked vehicle that pushes fascist sympathies: probably,
A clever fascist front at worst

[Free]

at there last wales protest half of the people who turned up were neo nazi doing Hitler salutes and burning anti nazi flags then they cancelled the next protest and have another this weekend in wrexham so we shall see if more neo nazi turn up

[Die Rote Fahne]

Nationalist scum.

[Bud Struggle]

I don't think thats a very useful way of looking at the situation.

How so? "All Jews are evil," "all Moslems are evil." Same Fascist "us against them" premise. Same "they are here in our midst" premise. Same "they are destroying our country" rhetoric. So they are Fascist. (In the political--not the economic sense.)

As far as "lite" goes: Instead of one race against the Moslems--"let all of the invaders of England unite against that particular invader."

I think I made a succinct case.

But there is the issue of "who's next?"

Fascist and "lite."

[IcarusAngel]

'Fascism lite.' I've seen the way these people behave.

But what's interesting is that half of them do not even seem to have a firm grasp on the English language themselves, given the spelling mistakes that occur on their signs.

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

How so? "All Jews are evil," "all Moslems are evil." Same Fascist "us against them" premise. Same "they are here in our midst" premise. Same "they are destroying our country" rhetoric. So they are Fascist. (In the political--not the economic sense.)

As far as "lite" goes: Instead of one race against the Moslems--"let all of the invaders of England unite against that particular invader."

I think I made a succinct case.

But there is the issue of "who's next?"

Fascist and "lite."

Its very clear that they are fascist but just pointing that out doesn't really add anything. I think it would help more to give a perspective on the demographic make up , the politics of its support base (no they are not all lether fetishists but probably make up a mix of die hard nazi's more sophisticated bnp facists and conservatives who get edgy about "our boys in Afghanistan" and see it as a way to fight the afgan war on the home front.

I can't think of a coherent way to stop this organization (which is more of a website with a support base) but I do think discussing this abit further then political labels in this situation may aid us.

[Bud Struggle]

Its very clear that they are fascist but just pointing that out doesn't really add anything. I think it would help more to give a perspective on the demographic make up , the politics of its support base (no they are not all lether fetishists but probably make up a mix of die hard nazi's more sophisticated bnp facists and conservatives who get edgy about "our boys in Afghanistan" and see it as a way to fight the afgan war on the home front.

I can't think of a coherent way to stop this organization (which is more of a website with a support base) but I do think discussing this abit further then political labels in this situation may aid us.

Fair enough.

But the question was:


What do people think of them?

FYI: I'm American so whatever goes on in Britain is all Greek to me. :)

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

Fair enough.

But the question was:


Its fairly obvious though.



FYI: I'm American so whatever goes on in Britain is all Greek to me. :)

We are a country with a large population of man children and have a tendency to be overtly aggressive at times as a result of only pussy's getting too emotional.

[Demogorgon]

This is the third time I have counted that you have come by with your various blatantly obvious sockpuppets to ask this and I don't discount the possibility that there were others I missed.

Give it a rest.

[Free]

I have studied their support base for a bit. There are certain groups of people in it.

1 the middle aged white working class man Sun reader who is pissed off
2.the young youth chavy who want to start trouble particularly against Muslims
3 They are heavily recruiting from football clubs so you have football holligans and firms etc
4 some of the educated far right
5 BNP members
6 Neo nazi
7 some well off business men to finance them
8 apparently they have some other ethics origins like Chinese and indian

they mainly want to stop islam from taking their Christmas holidays

[Free]

This is the third time I have counted that you have come by with your various blatantly obvious sockpuppets to ask this and I don't discount the possibility that there were others I missed.

Give it a rest.

who is a sockpuppet i am new never been here before....

[Bud Struggle]

I have studied their support base for a bit. There are certain groups of people in it.

1 the middle aged white working class man Sun reader who is pissed off
2.the young youth chavy who want to start trouble particularly against Muslims
3 They are heavily recruiting from football clubs so you have football holligans and firms etc
4 some of the educated far right
5 BNP members
6 Neo nazi
7 some well off business men to finance them
8 apparently they have some other ethics origins like Chinese and indian

they mainly want to stop islam from taking their Christmas holidays

So what?

Merry Christmas.

[Free]

at first is season greeting not merry Christmas to be political correct
then schools stop navity plays to be political correct
then Christmas lights stop being put up in towns to be political correct
then its seasonal holiday instead of christain holiday christmas cancelled that can never happen...
:tt2:

[Sasha]

in before ban.....

[Bud Struggle]

at first is season greeting not merry Christmas to be political correct
then schools stop navity plays to be political correct
then Christmas lights stop being put up in towns to be political correct
then its seasonal holiday instead of christain holiday christmas cancelled that can never happen...
:tt2:

Here in America we did the "Happy Holidays" thingie--and it didn't work. We're back to "Merry Christmas."

Besides, Happy Holidays is just another form of Happy Holydays. ;)

[rednordman]

What do people think of them?

They love to look at this site!

"The way you defeat an enemy to learn as much as you can about the enemy."
"Revleft must be one of the funniest sites on the internet,you can have hrs of fun reading their sh1t,they seem to be one mixed up bunch."
"They are funny, their obsession with class borders on mental illness."

since they look at this website alot what do people think about them? In fact they will read this page. You can make them say what ever you like :DWhy are they so hung up about us? We are not the cause of the things that they are supposed to be raging against. The fact that they are labelling us as 'the enemy' shows exactly how misguided they really are. Like we are all part of some kind of strange conspiracy to make England an islamic state.

Since when did the left in anyway really push for a religious cause?

Dont get me wrong here, they are definitly not our allies, but aside from that, I dont really give a shit about them. Let them try and act all big and hard. It doesnt really move me in anyway at all. Just a bunch of men who are looking for an excuse to vent there insecurites at something rather then face up to their own problems. If these people had brains, they probably would be deadly.

And for the ones who actually are genuine, well they are only protesting the society that we are living in. This society was created by,and is by definition, a capitalist society (or western liberal democracy), NOT a socialist/communist/anarchist one.

[Jazzratt]

The difficulty with giving an opinion on the EDL as a whole is that they are, seemingly incredibly disparate. As a banner under which nationalists mobilise they run quite a gamut (see the "everyone wins" fights they have with various 'hardcore' fascist sects). However while they as an organisation may have a plethora of different supporters all of whom are scum for various different reasons.

The core of their ideas however are reprehensible. They feed off jigoistic rumours and half truths to justify pure nationalism. It's not only illogical but they are one of a myriad threats to class solidarity using political and religious divisions asa tool that ultimately acts only to solidify the power of the British ruling class [oh dear there I go with that "class" stuff, must be mentally ill :rolleyes:).

What they do have going for them is quite propaganda machine. I'm talking about the stuff that's cited here in their dubious defence (people of colour being amongst their supporters, flags of different nations and so on) which sheilds them from charges of being racist and the propaganda behind what their platform. Their favourite hobby horses are Sharia law, which if you suffer a serious blow to the head and lend them any creedance you would believe is being pushed through parliment this fucking minute, and the ever-favourite "immigrants 'steal' jobs" line (one which has been thoroughly debunked, repeatedly.).

Their attempts to distance themselves from other ultra-nationalist, racist groups has allowed their support to swell with worrying speed and I see them as quite a threat. Also, fuck them.

[Free]

why? 2 things

1 Is its very entertaining
2 To keep track of the area of the protest it would be interesting to see if they launch a demo near me etc they are at wrexham this weekend

I do think they may give up on the protesting stuff once they realise the police bully you and tend to beat people up. There is a another chance they will run out of money on all the train fares :laugh:

[rednordman]

at first is season greeting not merry Christmas to be political correct
then schools stop navity plays to be political correct
then Christmas lights stop being put up in towns to be political correct
then its seasonal holiday instead of christain holiday christmas cancelled that can never happen...
:tt2:Yes it can, that is exactly what buisness wants. Infact its happening already. I have to work NYs day for the 3rd year in a row. You would think that I work in care or something important like that..but no, im just a warehouse op/labourer.

But for me this is a signal of the direction that capitalism is taking. All holidays are starting to be seen as 'normal working days' and thus taken as obsolete by companies. We will all be working Christmas day in five years time - you wait and see. Seriously, companies will probably see the celebrations as something that we can do in our own time - after work.

'Fuck sentimental yearly celebrations and traditions, when there is profit to be made!'-this is how companies are starting to think. Profit Profit and even more Profit. How the EDL can blame this on Islam or communism truly baffles me?

Its ironic how they are blaming political correctness on everything wrong with this country. Little do they realise that it is PC that is keeping religious values within the frame of government and society.

By trying not to offend certain faiths, they are at the same time acknowledging that faith in itself, is a solid and important factor to be considered in the face of faceless capital onslaught. Thus by defending one faith, it is technically defending all faiths.

As soon as PCness goes, not only would Islam stand for nothing, but also christianity also.

Infact, for buisness, first they see workers rights as setting them back, and then it would be religion (an excuse for a day off etc).

I think that they are totally taking it for granted that in todays day and age, people actually care about christianity. After all, if Christmas wasnt such a money spinner for big buisness (presents+big meals and drinks), would we even celebrate it all?

[reporter]

I see similarities here to them, denegration of the 'opposition'
opinions without objectivity.
they seem a working class grass roots organisation with a clearly stated mandate, here elitism and self indulgence abound.
Just to give my humble opinion. :rolleyes:

[#FF0000]

I see similarities here to them, denegration of the 'opposition'
opinions without objectivity.
they seem a working class grass roots organisation with a clearly stated mandate, here elitism and self indulgence abound.
Just to give my humble opinion. :rolleyes:

Sounds like we struck a nerve.

[graffic]

I think they are patriots/nationalists who dislike Islam. Which is an understandable urge to possess but the nationalist/chauvinist chanting makes them look stupid

[rednordman]

here elitism and self indulgence abound.Sorry but could you explain that in more detail? Opinions without objectivity?

Well, this is a leftwing forum, and to be fair,I think that there is alot of objectivity on here. After all, an anarchist is not the same thing as a communist. Also there is an opposing idiologies subforum where supporters of capitalism and libertarians are welcome to discuss stuff aswell.

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

at first is season greeting not merry Christmas to be political correct
then schools stop navity plays to be political correct
then Christmas lights stop being put up in towns to be political correct
then its seasonal holiday instead of christain holiday christmas cancelled that can never happen...
:tt2:


This is why the next free gift in the daily mail should be leprosy.

[Patchd]

I find it funny how for many people, the controversial issues in society isn't that John, your next door neighbour for 15 years has just lost his job because his boss wanted to take an early retirement to the Barbados before the recession kicked in, but rather how the council are now putting up Crescent moons and stars to symbolise Islam and Judaism around Christmas, how apparently kids no longer sing "baa baa black sheep", or how we don't celebrate a Roman-Palestinian guy who apparently represents the sorry land that they happened to have been dumped on. Nationalists are cocks, on both sides of the political spectrum.

We also look on their boards, I remember a thread about how some of their members should stop 'acting like stereotypical Nazis' (in reference to the sieg hailing done on marches) ... lulz, it's cool to be Nazis guys, just no salutes okay? ;)

[Bud Struggle]

I find it funny how for many people, the controversial issues in society isn't that John, your next door neighbour for 15 years has just lost his job because his boss wanted to take an early retirement to the Barbados before the recession kicked in, but rather how the council are now putting up Crescent moons and stars to symbolise Islam and Judaism around Christmas, how apparently kids no longer sing "baa baa black sheep", or how we don't celebrate a Roman-Palestinian guy who apparently represents the sorry land that they happened to have been dumped on.


That's an excellent point. It seems sometimes that "international affairs" in the Third World are created as something of an "entertainment" for First Worlders (there certainly are no entertainment for the people getting invaded) by governments to keep citizens minds off of the REAL things that are improtant to them--such as their economic well being.

Of course some people like the Radical Moslems are doing something similar with their people--instead of paying attention to the economic crisis in Pakastan and such places they concentrate on American forign policy and build up racial and political hatred there--so those in power can stay in power.

It seems a vicious circle.

[Patchd]

Of course some people like the Radical Moslems are doing something similar with their people--instead of paying attention to the economic crisis in Pakastan and such places they concentrate on American forign policy and build up racial and political hatred there--so those in power can stay in power.

It seems a vicious circle.
Oh agreed, a lot of others on this board would argue the same thing, in many situations it isn't necessarily the state, but groups within a region, opposition to all forms of racism, wherever it is in the world. Religion doesn't even need to be used to save a ruling class, but it can be used to replace one set of rulers with another.

[Kléber]

Since when did the left in anyway really push for a religious cause?

The German Social-Democrats won many Catholic workers over to their party (and thus away from Catholicism) by defending the Catholics against Bismarck's chauvinistic attacks in the 1870's.