Why so stalin?

[Mälli]

Whats up with the stalinists and stalin? :eek:
What do you think of them?

[Panda Tse Tung]

Horrid people! As bad as Bakunin probably!

[Mälli]

Why?

[Panda Tse Tung]

Because Stalin killed 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000 zilljon trillion kaziljon villion people!

[Mälli]

Did he kill anyone personally?

[Tyrlop]

he killed like 250 million people, he was properly the baddest communist ever man, mao killed 600 million and hitler only killed 6 million, so thats okey.

[Mälli]

both mao and stalin did so much for tha world. there was no hunger or rights lolol. chitchat sucks

[Panda Tse Tung]

Yes, both Mao and Stalin killed them with their bare hands. They barely had time to do anything else in the mean-time. But they we're omnipresent. So they could do all that.

[Искра]

It's stupid and childish to make fun of victims of purges or hunger.
I don't think that you'll laugh if I came to your house and shoot your mother in the head in front of you.

[Panda Tse Tung]

It's stupid and childish to make fun of victims of purges or hunger.
It's not making fun of anything but the ridicolously high amounts of numbers being brought up by supposesed 'historians'.


I don't think that you'll laugh if I came to your house and shoot your mother in the head in front of you.
Yes you would.

[Tyrlop]

I would sure laugh if our dear leader asked me nicely to do so.:wub:

[Il Medico]

It's not making fun of anything but the ridicolously high amounts of numbers being brought up by supposesed 'historians'.

Have you guys ever noticed that you sound exactly like Nazi holocaust deniers? You say (and they say it about Hitler) "Well it actually wasn't that many and *insert despot* didn't actually kill that many of those who did die, it was other stuff *Insert what stuff*." It's really fucking annoying and pretty goddamn offensive to those who did die that you want to "balance the books". I agree that capitalist source like the Black book of Communism have bullshit figures, but whether it was x number of people vs y number of people is meaningless.

[which doctor]

I'm still clueless as to what theoretical contributions Stalin made to Marxism-Leninism.

[Tyrlop]

well its the truth that only 1.7 million people died in the Gulags from 1933 to 1953.


I'm still clueless as to what theoretical contributions Stalin made to Marxism-Leninism.
He wrote a book duh, or some list. atleast he wrote
http://klassekamp.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/stalin_writing1.jpg
I've never seen a picture of Bakunin writing, it could be because he was so chaos minded.

[Panda Tse Tung]

I'm still clueless as to what theoretical contributions Stalin made to Marxism-Leninism.

No significant ones. Stalin was a Marxist-Leninist.


I agree that capitalist source like the Black book of Communism have bullshit figures, but whether it was x number of people vs y number of people is meaningless.

The only reason for numberfucking is cause it's used to make Communism look worse then Nazism.
Also it's much more then just about the numbers of course. There's additional historical nuance to it. It wasn't random killings, or shitloads of innocents or people who spoke out against Stalin would at all times be thrown in the gulag or something.

[Comrade B]

I have written something very critical... and I think I will save posting it for later. Think it over a bit, because it will surely evoke a shit storm.

[Il Medico]

No significant ones. Stalin was a Marxist-Leninist.


The only reason for numberfucking is cause it's used to make Communism look worse then Nazism.
Also it's much more then just about the numbers of course. There's additional historical nuance to it. It wasn't random killings, or shitloads of innocents or people who spoke out against Stalin would at all times be thrown in the gulag or something.
Of course capitalist are going to try to make communism look bad, it kinda what they do. But how does debating numbers with propaganda books like The Black Book of Communism do anything to forward class struggle or validate your political beliefs? Your not going to convince any one that your ideology isn't all that bad as long as you hold Stalin up as your key figure. The man had no real theoretical contributions to my knowledge and still killed x number of people (whatever the value of that variable may be). Why is it that so called communist insist on playing the numbers game?
"One death is a Tragedy, Ten Deaths is Great Tradegy, A million deaths is a Satistic."

[Il Medico]

And before someone else post it:
http://api.ning.com/files/TDNeX9lzU64MzFz7WG5QlH3NgVE1XCjPVV17YMZexXYuEPgIIK UFe0yzNWuavEhsusUn04tWUGhnrugz7gNfNvUJWj6yTStf/WhySoSerious.jpg

[Dimentio]

Whats up with the stalinists and stalin? :eek:
What do you think of them?

Only tankies call themselves stalinists. Most stalinists call themselves anti-revisionists and are more unified by what they are against than what they are for. They are against Trotsky and most changes of the communist ideology after 1953 or rather after 1968.

[Lyev]

Yes, both Mao and Stalin killed them with their bare hands. They barely had time to do anything else in the mean-time. But they we're omnipresent. So they could do all that.

You could at least try to defend your sorry excuse for an 'ideology' with some iota of intelligence, but instead you choose utter shit such as this.

[hugsandmarxism]

Have you guys ever noticed that you sound exactly like Nazi holocaust deniers?

http://knowyourmeme.com/i/4592/original/GodwinsLaw.jpg?1246557769

Oh, and Isn't kinda funny how the Left Communists, who have done close to nothing towards the end of revolution, have the gall to sit on their asses and criticize ANY leftist political trend? Ya see? I can play those cards too.

[Pirate Utopian]

Not enough nazism there hugs.

Talking about Stalin is boring, I mean I can dig old school stuff but Stalin is dull.

[LeninBalls]

Have you guys ever noticed that you sound exactly like Nazi holocaust deniers?

No, "we" don't. We acknowledge these deaths happened under the USSR in Stalin's era, why they happened is a different matter.

[Panda Tse Tung]

Of course capitalist are going to try to make communism look bad, it kinda what they do. But how does debating numbers with propaganda books like The Black Book of Communism do anything to forward class struggle or validate your political beliefs?
It's about understanding history well, in order to learn from it.


Your not going to convince any one that your ideology isn't all that bad as long as you hold Stalin up as your key figure.
No organisation i'm in does this.


"One death is a Tragedy, Ten Deaths is Great Tradegy, A million deaths is a Satistic."
The quote keeps changing i see, but it's a Red Alert quote not a real one ;).


You could at least try to defend your sorry excuse for an 'ideology' with some iota of intelligence, but instead you choose utter shit such as this.
I could, but this is chit-chat and I've done that plenty of times. Sometimes you just get sick of having too.
I however responded to The Doctor because he actually made decent points.

[Lyev]

I could, but this is chit-chat and I've done that plenty of times. Sometimes you just get sick of having too.
I however responded to The Doctor because he actually made decent points.

Yeah? Well so's your face.

Hugs, I could stare at your inane gifs for days, they're lovely, where do you get them from?

[Wanted Man]

Have you guys ever noticed that you sound exactly like Nazi holocaust deniers? You say (and they say it about Hitler) "Well it actually wasn't that many and *insert despot* didn't actually kill that many of those who did die, it was other stuff *Insert what stuff*." It's really fucking annoying and pretty goddamn offensive to those who did die that you want to "balance the books". I agree that capitalist source like the Black book of Communism have bullshit figures, but whether it was x number of people vs y number of people is meaningless.

Discussing the numbers is "offensive" and "meaningless" at the same time? Interesting.

[Pirate Utopian]

Not enough obnoxious anime gifs either.
Sometimes I really hate you.

[GracchusBabeuf]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ju3h7yk4HcgDirty Rotten commiezzz and Stalin and Moa killeedssszz 165865878678 gazillion people and a puppyzzzz ... dirty working class scum

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[Il Medico]

Discussing the numbers is "offensive" and "meaningless" at the same time? Interesting.
It's offensive to the victims because saying it was only "This many though" makes it seem like your trying to make it seem less terrible. It is meaningless from a preservative of someone trying to argue for Stalin. Saying you only killed 2 people instead of twenty make you no less a murderer.


Oh and Hugs:

Oh, and Isn't kinda funny how the Left Communists, who have done close to nothing towards the end of revolution, have the gall to sit on their asses and criticize ANY leftist political trend? Ya see? I can play those cards too.
The Left communist movement that has fought capitalism from Germany to Italy to France and beyond and constantly advocated international revolution, whilst their Stalinist "comrade" were busy set up petty state Capitalist regimes called and said FUCK YOU.

[BobKKKindle$]

I don't think this is conducive to useful or friendly discussion, so I'm closing it.