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Havet
17th November 2009, 22:45
Here's a follow up of my Anarcho-Socialist Economy thread (http://www.revleft.com/vb/would-anarcho-socialist-t116765/index.html?t=116765) for all those interested in enlightening their perception of genuine free-markets in contrast to vulgar libertarians and corporate apologetics. Enjoy.

Historically, anarchists have been divided on the question of markets. Traditional anarcho-socialists have typically rejected the market seeing it as nothing more than a source of predatory competition, concentration of economic power and exploitation. Most classical continental European anarchists, particularly the Kropotkinists, sought to abolish the market altogether in favor of a decentralized collection of autarchist communes based on production for subsistence, although some traditional anarcho-communists accepted the idea of free exchange or barter between independent communal units. Some American and British anarchists, such as Tucker or John Henry MacKay, preferred a lassez faire variation of anarchism consisting of small property owners operating on a stateless free market. Some of the differences between communist and individualist anarchists seem to be more of a cultural than economic nature. Anarcho-communists tended to be concentrated in nations, such as Russia or Spain, where industrial capitalism was far less advanced and the old feudal order remained largely intact. The anarcho-communist ideal was largely based on the concept of the peasant village community collectively operating its own agricultural economy minus the external exploitation of the feudal landlords. In nations where the Industrial Revolution had really taken root and the market economy had really begun to expand, such as England or America, anarchists were more likely to idealize the small merchant, craftsman or farmer, hence the individualist character of Anglo-American anarchism.

This dichotomy between communist and individualist anarchists continues to the present day. If anything, the differences have become even more pronounced. While the anarchists of old often argued fervently over ideological differences (Tucker and Johann Most refused to recognize one another as “true” anarchists), a mutual admiration frequently existed between the communist and individualist camps. Tucker was an admirer of the European anarchists Proudhon and Bakunin and translated their works into English and his anarchist journal, Liberty, published the writings not only of anarcho-socialists but also of outright Fabians or Marxists, such as George Bernard Shaw. Today, the two camps largely disavow one another. Most contemporary free market anarchists think of themselves as “anarcho-capitalists”, whereas Tucker regarded himself as a socialist, and most anarcho-socialists of today reject free market anarchists as mere apologists for corporate power.

Carson ably demonstrates that the division between contemporary anarchists on economic matters need not be as wide as it seems. Like the anarcho-capitalists, Carson favors a genuinely stateless free market. However, he argues effectively that the economic arrangements that an authentic free market economy would likely produce are remarkably similar to those typically advocated by anarcho-socialists. Serious free market economists, such as Rothbard, have long recognized that the corporatist structure of modern “Big Business” rests on state intervention rather than lassez faire. The state creates the fictitious legal infrastructure of corporate “personhood”. The state protects and assists corporations by means of limited liability laws, subsidies, government contracts, loans, guarantees, bailouts, purchases of goods, price controls, regulatory privilege, grants of monopolies, protectionist tariffs and trade policies, bankruptcy laws, military intervention to gain access to international markets and protect foreign investments, regulating or prohibiting organized labor activity, eminent domain, discriminatory taxation, ignoring corporate crimes and countless other forms of state-imposed favors and privileges.

Carson’s central thesis is that “capitalism”, defined in the traditional Marxist/socialist/left-anarchist sense of separation of labor from ownership and the subordination of labor to capital, would largely be impossible under genuine free market arrangements. Most Americans are accustomed to thinking of capitalism and free enterprise as being one and the same. This is certainly the perspective taught in the state’s educational institutions and promoted by the corporate media. Carson lambasts fake populism of the type promulgated by corporate-sponsored afternoon talk radio which ignores the role of corporations, banks and other elite economic interests in fostering statism and instead works to channel the hostility of the working and middle classes away from the elites for whom most state intervention is actually done and towards the lower classes and the urban poor in a type of “divide and conquer” strategy. According to this ideology, the real enemies of free enterprise and proponents of statism are welfare recipients and the residents of homeless shelters and public housing projects. But it is the ruling class that is the primary beneficiary of state intervention. The primary role of such intervention is to redistribute wealth upward and centralize economic power. The tools used to obtain these objectives are as old as modern corporate states themselves. These tools include the state-imposed money monopoly, patents and subsidies.



Under the present system of federal government monopoly on the issuance of legal tender and central banking via the Federal Reserve, interest rates are kept artificially high, an artificial shortage of credit is maintained and access to finance capital is constricted. These arrangements centralize wealth and concentrate economic power in a myriad of ways. Carson argues that under a system of free banking, cooperative banks would be able to form and issue private bank notes as credit against the output of future production. Genuine competition among free banks would dramatically reduce interest rates, perhaps to the cost of administrative overhead. Access to cheap credit would make self-employment possible for nearly any industrious person with marketable skills or services. As the price of capital diminished, interest upon bonds, dividends upon stock and rents upon land and buildings would also fall. The proliferation of new businesses and the increased viability of self-employment would greatly enhance the bargaining power of workers, both individually and collectively. Workers would have a wider variety of potential employers to choose from in addition to greater opportunities to work for themselves. Employers would be forced by market pressures to make their workplaces more attractive to prospective employees. Workers would gain the collective power to demand the right of self-management in the workplace and could pool their credit to buy out their employers if they wished. This greatly enhanced bargaining power would essentially allow workers to control industries, even industries that remained nominally stockholder-owned. The virtual elimination of interest through market competition would also significantly lower mortage payments and credit card debt. The cost of housing would drop and overall workers’ savings would increase. Part-time employment would become a more viable option for many workers as would earlier retirement. Involuntary unemployment would also shrink.

The function of patent law is to create monopolies on the marketing of particular products thereby establishing an artificial pricing system where such products are marked up dozens of times beyond their actual market value. This has been particularly true of pharmaceuticals where prices are often marked up 40 times or more. The effect of this arrangement is to eliminate competition and innovation by others seeking to improve upon an original product. Patent privilege pertaining to drugs and medical technologies sharply increase the cost of health care to the average consumer, effectively pricing many of forms of health care out of the range of many consumers. The restrictions on competition involved in patent privileges also constrict economic growth and increase unemployment. International patent privileges established by global trade agreements also tend to concentrate wealth in the advanced nations and stifle growth, competition and innovation in the Third World. Patents serve as a mercantilist tool utilized to maintain lesser developed nations as economic colonies.

Subsidies are probably the most egregious form of state favors to economic elites. Virtually all major U.S. industries are heavily dependent in some way on direct or indirect government financing. Throughout U.S. history, federal subsidies to transportation from the railway system to interstate highways to civil aviation have served to centralize wealth and control over a wide assortment of industries ranging from electrical utilities to petroleum to finance to retail sales. Much is made in some circles about the way large corporate retail chains such as Wal-Mart undercut local small businesses and run them out of the market. But this would be impossible without the massive government subsidies to shipping and transportation that benefit large national chains. So-called “defense spending” frequently amounts to a corporate welfare program. Most defense analysts estimate that a defense budget of approximately $100 billion would be required to effectively defend the territory of the United States. Yet overall military spending is nearly three and a half times that amount and increasing. The primary beneficiaries of such spending are arms manufacturers, the telecommunications industry, defense contractors and petrochemicals industries whose profits are guaranteed via the Pentagon system. This arrangement creates a tremendous concentration of wealth in the hands of de facto state protected monopolies. Tax breaks to corporations that subsidize R&D centralize wealth even further. Carson notes that some free market economists, including Rothbard, object to the characterization of tax breaks as subsidies, an understandable argument, but the problem here is that the burden of making up for this lost revenue is shifted onto the small businessman and rank and file worker.

It might be useful at this point to consider Hans Hermann Hoppe’s application of the traditional anarcho-syndicalist principle to the overtly state socialist regimes of Eastern Europe. (2) Hoppe argued that natural property relations had been so diluted by decades of state socialism that it would be impossible to return Communist state property to its rightful owners according to any objective criteria. Therefore, the syndicalist principle of property rights defined according to usufructuary principles (i.e., use and occupation) was applicable. Interestingly, Hoppe denied that such principles were applicable to the corporate states of the West. However, if such states rest on massive state intervention and expropriation, as Carson ably demonstrates, then such states and their distortions of normal market-based property relations are no more legitimate than those imposed by the "Communist" mafias of the East. When the present U.S. regime eventually collapses under the weight of its own corruption and mismanagement, most of the corporate and financial infrastructure will likely collapse simultaneously. At that time it will be vital that leaders and popular organizations emerge with constructive plans for the restoration of economic order and normalcy.

Upon the event of such a systemic collapse, the syndicalist principle will have to be applied far and wide. Collapsed industries would go to the workers with small investors retaining the rights to their shares but no compensation for those who have made millions or billions from state intervention. Agribusiness cartels supported by the state are responsible for the destruction of traditional family farms and the loss of family lands in the process. Consequently, the land holdings of these cartels would be open to homesteading. The federal government owns more than a third of the land in the continental U.S. and this land should be open to homesteaders as well. Public universities would go to the professors, schools to the teachers, streets to the neighborhoods or street repair workers, military bases to the soldiers, public buildings to the bureaucrats, recreational facilities to management agencies and so on. From there each new set of proprietors would be responsible for organizing their own domain according to their own economic needs. Bureaucrats, for example, may sell their buildings or convert their facilities to self-sustaining businesses. Federal courthouses may become the property of the judges and lawyers who then proceed to sell their services as mediators and arbiters, assuming anyone would wish to purchase their services. (4)


The resulting set of economic arrangements would likely be quite diverse. Workers may elect to convert their industries to employee-run cooperatives with individual non-marketable shares being the basis of ownership or, if they wished, they could sell shares to outsiders as well. Productive institutions might well span the whole spectrum from private contractual business corporations to worker owned cooperatives to stockholder owned businesses managed by the workers to collective institutions of the Israeli kibbutzim variety. Intentional communities might be formed that held certain industrial or manufacturing or utility services in common. Small scale entrepreneurship would likely expand dramatically and the number of independent craftsmen would increase. Anti-statists need not argue over the details of what a stateless economy would look like. The ideals of free-market libertarians, syndicalists, anarcho-primitivists, municipalists, guild socialists, councilists, mutualists, Georgists, distributists and many other tendencies could be realized in stateless economy. The only requirement is that such arrangements be voluntary and freely chosen. A synthesis of Rothbardian radical free market economics, traditional class struggle anarchism and historic American revolutionary populism provides the ideological vehicle for the achievement of these goals.

(1) Read the full text of Carson’s pamphlet at http://flag.blackened.net./daver/anarchism/iron_fist.html
(http://flag.blackened.net/daver/anarchism/iron_fist.html)

(http://flag.blackened.net/daver/anarchism/iron_fist.html)
(2) Hoppe discusses this question in “Democracy: The God That Failed”.



(3) See Carson’s “Political Program for Anarchists” at www.attackthesystem.com/ppa.html
(http://www.attackthesystem.com/ppa.html)

(http://www.attackthesystem.com/ppa.html)
(4) Carson has pointed out to me that an alternative would be to mutualize judicial and social services and give the buildings to their former clients.


Source (http://attackthesystem.com/capitalism-versus-free-enterprise-a-review-of-kevin-carsons-the-iron-fist-behind-the-invisible-hand/)

Dejavu
17th November 2009, 22:53
Nice.

Havet
30th November 2009, 14:30
bump

RGacky3
30th November 2009, 21:07
This is a discussion board, not a place to post articles, in my opinion you'd be better off making threads about specific ideas written down short and simple, rather than just posting articles.

Havet
30th November 2009, 21:18
This is a discussion board, not a place to post articles, in my opinion you'd be better off making threads about specific ideas written down short and simple, rather than just posting articles.

People (http://www.revleft.com/vb/showpost.php?p=1537805&postcount=2) seem (http://www.revleft.com/vb/showpost.php?p=1541740&postcount=4) to (http://www.revleft.com/vb/showpost.php?p=1557292&postcount=16) like (http://www.revleft.com/vb/showpost.php?p=1550805&postcount=6) my articles (http://www.revleft.com/vb/showpost.php?p=1601439&postcount=2)

Anyway, I always post them with the intent of promoting discussion. Whether they are short and simple or long and complex hasn't stopped communist articles from appearing before. I don't see why I should be discriminated based on that.

RGacky3
30th November 2009, 23:16
I don't mean to discriminate you, I would say the same thing to communists only posting articles. It was just a suggestion, I've skipped over many of your threads because they are nothing more than reposted articles, I (and I'm supposing other people) would be more inclined to read your ideas if you posted them it your own language and in short and concise posts.

Havet
30th November 2009, 23:19
I don't mean to discriminate you, I would say the same thing to communists only posting articles. It was just a suggestion, I've skipped over many of your threads because they are nothing more than reposted articles, I (and I'm supposing other people) would be more inclined to read your ideas if you posted them it your own language and in short and concise posts.

Thanks for the suggestion. I will take that into account in future posts. The only reason why I sometimes post articles, really, is because i believe the author has said it in a more concise way that I could. But nonetheless I will look into resuming my thoughts even more in the future.

WhitemageofDOOM
2nd December 2009, 07:28
You talk nice, but ignore the realities.

How do you enforce your property rights without coercion?
The modern economy is massive, and highly interdependent? How do you deal with inter community issues without intermediate bodies?
How do you prevent the world from turning into a host of tiny dictatorships?

Course I'm not an anarchist, i think the last two are going to be issues any anarchist needs to think about. Just anarcho-capitalism makes them much much bigger issues.

Havet
2nd December 2009, 12:31
How do you enforce your property rights without coercion?

community's militias in a given community which intersubjectively agreed upon a given definition of property rights.


The modern economy is massive, and highly interdependent?

I would go even further by claiming most of the current economy is dependent on State action.


How do you deal with inter community issues without intermediate bodies?

Let's imagine there is a river that flows between several communities. And a big bad company starts polluting it. Let the communities organize themselves (through voluntary intermediate bodies) and restrict the use of pollutants by the company, since it is directly agressing against the people who use the river water, and nobody can say they individually own the river.


How do you prevent the world from turning into a host of tiny dictatorships?

Armed populace, community's militias, worker militias, etc

RGacky3
2nd December 2009, 16:09
community's militias in a given community which intersubjectively agreed upon a given definition of property rights.

So pretty much property rights are compleatly decided on democratically, which means they can democratically be changed any time (through direct democracy), ok, that being the case I can pretty much assure you that there won't be "property rights" in the sense your talking about.


I would go even further by claiming most of the current economy is dependent on State action.

I would'nt say that, if you take away state action the top 5% are still controlling 95% of the market.

Havet
2nd December 2009, 18:30
So pretty much property rights are compleatly decided on democratically, which means they can democratically be changed any time (through direct democracy), ok, that being the case I can pretty much assure you that there won't be "property rights" in the sense your talking about.

We'll see, especially since you don't know what sense I am giving to property rights.


I would'nt say that, if you take away state action the top 5% are still controlling 95% of the market.

If you take away State privilege the top 5% will not last much longer, unless they start wasting some of that wealth in protecting their own property, constituting state action. This is why its critical for the wealthy to lose their privilege through direct worker action right after the current state has been removed or collapsed.

RGacky3
2nd December 2009, 18:42
If you take away State privilege the top 5% will not last much longer, unless they start wasting some of that wealth in protecting their own property, constituting state action. This is why its critical for the wealthy to lose their privilege through direct worker action right after the current state has been removed or collapsed.

If the WHOLE STATE collapses, then yeah, but if just government intervention in the economy is removed they won't loose that.

IcarusAngel
2nd December 2009, 18:46
Why couldn't the workers take control of the factories first and then abolish the state?

Why do we need to 'privatize' all industries before we can control them. It's circular reasoning because privatization leads back to more government.

Havet
2nd December 2009, 19:01
If the WHOLE STATE collapses, then yeah, but if just government intervention in the economy is removed they won't loose that.

Precisely my point

Havet
2nd December 2009, 19:03
Why couldn't the workers take control of the factories first and then abolish the state?

I'm all for that, except they might encounter far more resistance with the State existing right? Business owners will use the state to defend their "property rights" until the very last moment. It wold be prudent to take away the forces they use to their advantage.

IcarusAngel
2nd December 2009, 21:21
If the workers had already seized the means of production then 'business owners' wouldn't exist.

At that point, the workers would have been prepared mentally for the revolution, and would then attack the state. In fact that's what revolution is based on, having a class ready to make a change. In my scenario, the change had already occurred.

The problem with past revolutions is that they tried to use the state to push the revolution. Even if the right people are at the state level, it can lead to corruption at the top level which leads us back to hierarchy.

But democratically-revolutionizing the work force and the entire industry would be a good thing if the state allowed it, since the state is not always interested in protecting 'business tyranny.'

Havet
2nd December 2009, 21:33
If the workers had already seized the means of production then 'business owners' wouldn't exist.

workers would be the business owners.


At that point, the workers would have been prepared mentally for the revolution, and would then attack the state. In fact that's what revolution is based on, having a class ready to make a change. In my scenario, the change had already occurred.

Just because they may hold the MOP doesn't mean the State doesn't have sufficient resources for a counter-revolution.


The problem with past revolutions is that they tried to use the state to push the revolution. Even if the right people are at the state level, it can lead to corruption at the top level which leads us back to hierarchy.

Agreed


But democratically-revolutionizing the work force and the entire industry would be a good thing if the state allowed it, since the state is not always interested in protecting 'business tyranny.'

But that's the thing. The state won't allow it. Too many corporate interests are tied in with it.

IcarusAngel
2nd December 2009, 21:48
The workers wouldn't be the business owners in communism, anarchism, or anything else, except the right-wing variants of these.

Business should be eliminated. The workers are in charge of the resources. So instead of firms, corporations, incorporations, firms, whatever, there would be federations, communes, collectives, cooperatives, and so on.

So instead of you receiving power from the the electrical power company, you'd receive it in the ELECTRICAL POWER COOPERATIVE.

These cooperatives already exist. I live in Wyoming part time and our resources there are provided by a COOPERATIVE, not a business (it's interesting that Wyoming is one of the most conservative states but allow a coopative.


Here is something from their NEWSLETTER


"IN ANCIENT CIVILIZATION, LAND WAS NOT OWNED. BEFORE HUNTING AND GATHERING GAVE WAY TO PLANTING AND HARVESTING, LAND OWNERSHIP WAS INCONCEIVABLE. BUT EVEN AFTER A TRIBE STOPPED WANDERING AND SETTLED IN ONE PLACE, THE CONCEPT OF LAND OWNERSHIP DID NOT IMMEDIATELY ARISE. INDIVIDUALS SHARED THEIR RESOURCES WITH OTHER INDIVIDUALS IN THE SAME GROUP. IN MANY AREAS, PEOPLE SHARED RESOURCES WITH OTHER GROUPS.

...

WHEN THE MEMBERS OF A COMMUNITY STOP PRIORITIZING THE NEEDS OF THE GROUP FIRST, AND BEGIN TO SEEK FIRST THEIR OWN WELL-BEING, SOME METHOD OTHER THAN WAR MUST DEVELOP ALONGSIDE TO SOLVE DISPUTES. IF IT DOESN'T, THE COMMUNITY DESTORYS ITSELF.

ACCORDING TO HISTORIAN WILL DURANT, WRITING IN 1935, "IF THE AVERAGE MAN HAD HIS WAY THERE WOULD PROBABLY NEVER HAVE BEEN ANY [GOVERNMENT]. EVEN TODAY HE RESENTS IT, CLASSES DEATH WITH TAXES, AND YEARNS FOR THAT GOVERNMENT WHICH GOVERNS LEAST. IF HE ASKS FOR MANY LAWS IT IS ONLY BECAUSE HE IS SURE THAT HIS NEIGHBOR NEEDS THEM; PRIVATELY HE IS AN UNPHILOSOPHICAL ANARCHIST, AND THINKS LAWS IN HIS OWN CASE SUPERFLUOUS."

IN TODAY'S INDUSTRIALIZED NATIONS, SOME WOULD SAY THAT GOVERNMENT IS SO PERVASIVE, MAN HAS LOST HIS ABILITY TO FUNCTION WITHOUT IT. CERTAINLY, GIVEN THE ALTERNATIVE, MANY WOULD HAVE NO DESIRE TO LIVE WITHOUT IT."


The coop newsletter discusses many issues: the fact that people don't want government; the fact that government is there to protect citizens but people don't want it in their own lives (probably they want to restrict corporations); but also that the govt. is so big now people are worried about taking it away.

They they go on to talk about the benefits of coops:

"AND WHAT ABOUT ELECTRICITY, OUR FAVORTE TOPIC? WITHOUT BASIC STANDARDS (I.E., A 60Hz CURRENT) AND RULES (WIRING CODES) AND SOME WAY OF ENFORCING THE RULES (THE PROVANCE OF GOVERNMENT), ELECTRICITY WOULD BE TOO DANGEROUS FOR MOST PEOPLE TO USE. WHAT WE GET FROM REGULATION IS PREDICTABILITY. WHEN REGULATIONS ARE ENFORCED, ELECTRICITY IS CONTROLLED IN PREDICTABLE WAYS."


etc.

The point I get my energy in Wyoming from a coop (and it's interesting the coops seem to understand social science better than you do - and Europeans claim Americans are idiots).

Coops and land reforms also exist all throughout North America and Latin America as well and I'm sure they exist in Europe. We don't need incorporations.

SocialismOrBarbarism
2nd December 2009, 21:49
Is there any way to know how much things like the money monopoly and such really distort the market?

Why does he think that these huge corporations which have been built on the basis of state intervention are not big enough to operate on their own? Tucker didn't think the big business of his day built up by state intervention would collapse simply by getting rid of the state.

What makes this anything but an idealist fantasy? Halfway through he's just building castles in the air. "The economy will collapse...corporations will collapse...universities will go to the professors...workers may elect to convert their industries into cooperatives."
If something like this even did happen, why would workers want to keep any capitalism at all?