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Technocrat
17th November 2009, 20:54
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091113/ap_on_sc/us_sci_shoot_the_moon

Discuss the implications.

Oneironaut
17th November 2009, 21:02
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091113/ap_on_sc/us_sci_shoot_the_moon

Discuss the implications.

Well I suppose it would be one less thing to haul up to the moon if they were to set up a permanent base there.

farleft
17th November 2009, 21:15
Well I suppose it would be one less thing to haul up to the moon if they were to set up a permanent base there.

A permenent base will be set up there, it's a case of when, not if.

Luisrah
17th November 2009, 23:46
A permenent base will be set up there, it's a case of when, not if.

If there's profit to be made, it won't take long.

If there isn't, better wait for when socialism comes around.

Axle
18th November 2009, 00:16
Score one for potential future space exploration.

I am actually concerned that a base on the moon will not come thru, though. Last I checked, space exploration and NASA in general were not huge priorities for America and really seen as less than an asset.

Manifesto
18th November 2009, 02:01
Seems like a great find but does not guarantee that there is a good amount of water.

ckaihatsu
18th November 2009, 02:03
At least the moon's colonization will be far easier and bloodless than all the ones that came before.... (Heh.)

Revy
18th November 2009, 04:07
It's only surprising if you assume that water is only found on Earth, and not very common in the universe, even on apparently "lifeless" rocky bodies (scientists have found bacteria on asteroids)

Mars used to have oceans, lakes, rivers, of course that means that at one point, there was a greenhouse effect, and Mars was warm enough not to freeze that water. We can also speculate that life may have evolved, and come to extinction as whatever ended that period occurred.

Europa likely has underwater oceans. Earth's life emerged in the oceans as well.

Scientific fields like exobiology, and perhaps even exoarchaeology, exoanthropology, and exolinguistics might become more renowned and respected in the future.

ckaihatsu
18th November 2009, 06:54
Scientific fields like exobiology, and perhaps even exoarchaeology, exoanthropology, and exolinguistics might become more renowned and respected in the future.


Uhhhhhhhh, "exoanthropology" and "exolinguistics" -- ???

-- Whatchoo talkin' 'bout, Willis? --


So would that be the cultural study of astronauts, then, or are you suggesting something else?

Why not exoMarxism so that the out-world oppressed space workers, et al, have some political leadership of their own?...!


x D

Revy
18th November 2009, 07:33
Do you think that we would never find an advanced species out there, or the ruins of an ancient civilization on another planet? Yes, it sounds "crazy", but crazy to me is the belief that we're the only advanced species in the universe.

ckaihatsu
18th November 2009, 07:48
Do you think that we would never find an advanced species out there, or the ruins of an ancient civilization on another planet? Yes, it sounds "crazy", but crazy to me is the belief that we're the only advanced species in the universe.


Some of the stuff I've come across goes pretty far out there, and I *don't* mean outer space -- any opinions on the alleged "Cydonia" Mars thing?

Technocrat
18th November 2009, 19:19
Some of the stuff I've come across goes pretty far out there, and I *don't* mean outer space -- any opinions on the alleged "Cydonia" Mars thing?

I think it's been pretty thoroughly debunked as a rock formation that looks like a face when the light hits it at a certain angle. But then, that could just be the Men in Black trying to keep things under wraps.

Once I found a rock in backyard that looked exactly like Snoopy, from the Peanuts cartoon. The human mind sees faces everywhere. Just look at an electrical outlet - its a face. You basically just need three dots in a triangular configuration for a person to see a face.

I think, like the Philosopher Lewis Mumford suggested, that the obsession with space travel and alien beings is a natural outgrowth of the fairy tales that people believed in during the Middle Ages. People used to think that angels or demons would visit them in their sleep and take them places. Now people think that aliens visit them in their sleep and take them places. This is just the influence of science on the archetypes which exist within every human mind.

If we are all alone, that just means that human beings are the most significant thing in the universe. Maybe that thought scares us. If there are lots of other intelligent species out there, that kind of lets us off the hook.

TheCultofAbeLincoln
19th November 2009, 03:59
I am actually concerned that a base on the moon will not come thru, though. Last I checked, space exploration and NASA in general were not huge priorities for America and really seen as less than an asset.

Why would such a project have to be led by America, as you seem to imply?

The general consensus is that NASA has hit a dead end, at least with the space shuttle. Russian rocketry is superior and it will probably be much of the technology which they have developed that is primarily used. But hey, I could be wrong.

Revy
19th November 2009, 08:57
I wasn't saying there was alien ruins left on the Moon and Mars. I've read a lot of sites with "evidence" pointing to that but I take it with a very skeptical eye. Often, they read too much into what could just be pareidolia.

Maybe I should have just said that exobiology would be a more respected science.....that seems more on topic. My point was that water is all throughout the universe and so species as advanced as us could develop...not necessarily in this solar system but definitely in others.

bcbm
19th November 2009, 12:50
I am actually concerned that a base on the moon will not come thru, though. Last I checked, space exploration and NASA in general were not huge priorities for America and really seen as less than an asset.

i think we've got enough problems down here on earth without worrying about the moon quite yet.

Pogue
19th November 2009, 14:28
If there's profit to be made, it won't take long.

If there isn't, better wait for when socialism comes around.

I'll put a date in my calendar, when abouts do you expect socialism to arrive? I've got some holiday booked around next February?

Meridian
19th November 2009, 16:38
I'll put a date in my calendar, when abouts do you expect socialism to arrive? I've got some holiday booked around next February?
Shipping usually takes a couple of weeks, give or take a few days depending on which country you order from.

Luisrah
19th November 2009, 21:53
I'll put a date in my calendar, when abouts do you expect socialism to arrive? I've got some holiday booked around next February?


Shipping usually takes a couple of weeks, give or take a few days depending on which country you order from.

Seriously, your posts contribute nothing to the thread, plus, they're two.

Rather stupid, really.

Q
19th November 2009, 22:20
If there's profit to be made, it won't take long.

If there isn't, better wait for when socialism comes around.

If capitalism is around in 50 years (ugh...) then He3 will be all the incentive needed.