Catholics!

[MarxSchmarx]

OK, you people have a lot of problems. A lot of that is not unique to your cult (like the resurrection blah blah blah), but let's face it, a lot of your nonsense is.

So let's start with two issues:

Why can't women be priests?

Why can married protestant priests become married catholic priests, but married catholic lay people cannot become married catholic priests?

Now, pretend I was a mainline protestant (let's say, um, Lutheran?) Why would I buy into your blatant hypocrisy?

thanks and god bless.

[New Tet]

OK, you people have a lot of problems. A lot of that is not unique to your cult (like the resurrection blah blah blah), but let's face it, a lot of your nonsense is.

So let's start with two issues:

Why can't women be priests?

Because women can have children and thus be able to bequeath their property rights to them, and priests, as we Catholics and former Catholics know or ought to know, make a vow of poverty, surrendering all their possessions, present and future, to the Church. This makes a vow of chastity necessary. St. Francis, I believe, is responsible for promoting this within the Roman church.


Why can married protestant priests become married catholic priests, but married catholic lay people cannot become married catholic priests?Not so. You cannot become a priest or a nun in the Catholic church if you are currently married and rarely does a divorced person become clergy because of the complex process of obtaining a dispensation from the Pope.


Now, pretend I was a mainline protestant (let's say, um, Lutheran?) Why would I buy into your blatant hypocrisy?You wouldn't. I makes about as much sense as a "mainline" Catholic accepting abortion and artificial birth control against the doctrines of the Church prohibiting those practices. Abortion is a mortal sin, Catholics insist, that makes you guilty enough to receive eternal damnation if death finds you unconfessed and unredeemed. Remember, for a Catholic (and, presumably a Lutheran) the objective of religious practice is the salvation of one's eternal soul from damnation and the eternal fires of hell. Scary stuff, you know.


thanks and god bless.

Awww, so sweet!

[Revy]

The Catholic Church has the same problem as Scientology: an authoritarian structure.

The revolution will not do away with faiths and religions but with entities that seek to dominate.

Like the Queen, the Pope will probably not be physically harmed. But his position will be rendered practically useless.

There are already some of these breakaway Catholic Churches, with progressive views, but they don't revere the Pope or answer to the Vatican. Here's (http://www.nationalcatholicchurch.org/NCC/Welcome.html) an example of one, which has a church in my city (not like I have ever visited, but I have heard of it).

[h0m0revolutionary]

Do explain to me why Catholicism is any more non-materialist, utterly abstract and unfathomably bizarre than any other religious doctrine?

[Manifesto]

Why can't women be priests?

I have heard people say it is in the Bible that women cannot but more than likely it is just a sexist attitude with a misquoted Bible verse.

[mikelepore]

The official reason that the Catholic Church gives for why women can't be priests? That they're emulating the founder's choice of twelve male apostles and the "do this" instructions that he gave them at the Last Supper. There are seven sacraments, each of which has a lot of elaborate theory providing details of how they are supposed to be carried out. Becoming a priest or bishop comes under what they call the sacrament of Holy Orders.

[MarxSchmarx]

Because women can have children and thus be able to bequeath their property rights to them, and priests, as we Catholics and former Catholics know or ought to know, make a vow of poverty, surrendering all their possessions, present and future, to the Church. This makes a vow of chastity necessary. St. Francis, I believe, is responsible for promoting this within the Roman church.

Wait, don't most nuns have to make similar vows?



Why can married protestant priests become married catholic priests, but married catholic lay people cannot become married catholic priests?

Not so. You cannot become a priest or a nun in the Catholic church if you are currently married and rarely does a divorced person become clergy because of the complex process of obtaining a dispensation from the Pope.

http://www.indiancatholic.in/news/storydetails.php/13871-1-4-Married-priests--For-the-Vatican,-still-an-exception-to-the-rule



You wouldn't. I makes about as much sense as a "mainline" Catholic accepting abortion and artificial birth control against the doctrines of the Church prohibiting those practices. Abortion is a mortal sin, Catholics insist, that makes you guilty enough to receive eternal damnation if death finds you unconfessed and unredeemed. Remember, for a Catholic (and, presumably a Lutheran) the objective of religious practice is the salvation of one's eternal soul from damnation and the eternal fires of hell. Scary stuff, you know.


I guess what I was wondering is why if things like a prohibition against female priests are so rooted in Christian theology, that virtually every other denomination abandoned it.

Indeed:

Do explain to me why Catholicism is any more non-materialist, utterly abstract and unfathomably bizarre than any other religious doctrine?


On these specific issues they apparently are worse than at least many other Christian denominations.

[ComradeOm]

Because women can have children and thus be able to bequeath their property rights to them, and priests, as we Catholics and former Catholics know or ought to know, make a vow of poverty, surrendering all their possessions, present and future, to the Church. This makes a vow of chastity necessary. St. Francis, I believe, is responsible for promoting this within the Roman churchEh... no. Priests are not required to make vows of poverty. Only those members of some religious orders make such solemn vows

The stated reasons for the Church's failure to ordain women (and there are a couple) is for the 'sacramental' reasons mentioned by mikelepore. The reality, I suspect, is that the restriction is one of the few practical differences that separates a priest from his flock (much like the black and collar) and the Church has an interest in maintaining such barriers. That and centuries of tradition of course