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Owen-
15th November 2009, 00:12
Ok - attached are two my thoughts on two areas I have been considering. I'm attempting to gather my political ideas at the moment - and I decided to word process parts of them that I believe are most solid. Would it be possible for people to read them and comment on where I'm going wrong?

1. The Great Money Con
2. Christians Should be Communists.

They are only short, and I'm probably very naive in some of my statements, any chance on helping me? Ill probably add one or two more essays after this too.

I understand this is asking a lot - but honestly your help and critique would be much appreciated.

Solidarity,
Owen.

Owen-
15th November 2009, 00:17
Oops forgot the link! sorry :blushing:

i have attached one as a doc. file and one as a txt. file.

Apologies again :)

Luisrah
15th November 2009, 00:29
I didn't read the first one, but I read the second.

I liked it a lot, I'm actually gonna start using it to give an introduction on how capitalism sucks to my friends.

I really liked the end

''7. Capitalism allows freedom (to sell your labour).
The freedom to either work or die is hardly a choice – are slaves free?''

Owen-
15th November 2009, 01:09
Why thank you :) use away

ArrowLance
15th November 2009, 03:14
The great money con seems a bit wordy and was hard for me to follow. It also didn't really say much of anything, it gave the situation that we all know, and gave a conclusion which it did not go into any detail to support.

'Christian Communists' is just rediculous. The teachings of Jesus should in no real way affect someones politics. We do not need some god-son to tell us that Capitalism is evil, if that is indeed what he preached, which is debatable.

And George Orwell hardly gives a good description of the Communism that was experienced. Revolution by it's definition is 'totalitarian', we must oppress the enemies of the proletariat.

Jimmie Higgins
15th November 2009, 04:26
Ok - attached are two my thoughts on two areas I have been considering. I'm attempting to gather my political ideas at the moment - and I decided to word process parts of them that I believe are most solid. Would it be possible for people to read them and comment on where I'm going wrong?

1. The Great Money Con
2. Christians Should be Communists.

They are only short, and I'm probably very naive in some of my statements, any chance on helping me? Ill probably add one or two more essays after this too.

I understand this is asking a lot - but honestly your help and critique would be much appreciated.

Solidarity,
Owen.

Yes, every working class christian should be a communist, also everyone else who's looks around and wonders why everything is messed up and wants a better world!

Welcome. I wasn't able to read the second one on this computer, but I read the word file and it was pretty good. Have you seen "Capitalism: A Love Story"? Michael Moore talked to some Catholic officials who said that "capitalism is evil". I'm not religious and I think it's best to look at politics in a material way but the Moore movie reminded me of my own upbringing and being raised Catholic.

Church people always moralized about sins and this and that but abortion was never brought up and, as far as I can remember, contraception (or its sinfulness) were also not really pushed from the teachers and Priests and lay-people. I think if someone went around saying that the dinosaurs existed at the same time as Adam and Eve and that there is no evolution, just creationism, they would have been treated like someone who wore a tin-foil hat and said that aliens were reading his thoughts. The church I went to had many latino members and farmworkers and so there was a lot of discussion of helping the poor and the struggle of immigrants. It was probably the same for "mainline" Protestant churches too.

So, to me, the evangelical thing is really a political movement, not a religious one. It's really amazing how they've changed the definition of what it means to be religious and now my relatives who are still catholic send me spam emails about "attacks on Christmas" or "defending 'in god we trust' on our money" and other evangelical conspiracy theories.

Can we convince hard-core right-win Christians? For the most part probably not, but we probably can't convince hard-core right-wing atheists either. But we can win many more people to fighting in their class interests and as our arguments become more common and understood and our protests and strikes build solidarity, some people who may have been really right wing will be convinced by things like wars and economic crisis that the system really doesn't work for them and then we may be able to win them as well.

Sorry, just rambling.

Drace
15th November 2009, 06:17
Also, isnt interest against the Bible's teaching?
Usury is forbidden by the Bible, but yet it is a major aspect of the capitalistic system

Owen-
16th November 2009, 00:21
Thanks everyone for your comeback -

Arrow Lance

Yea I understand that The Great Money Con part is confusing - diagrams were meant to compliment it, but I did not have the time :( However I am intrigued as to which part you found not backed up - could you clarify?

Christian Communism is not ridiculous - they are out there
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_communism

I do not mean that it is necessary for a "god-son" as you so adequately put it, to point out the evils of Capitalism to US. We can use our own eyes. However the essay intends to show them to the Christian in their own terminology.

My friend how can you begin to believe revolution is against the proletariat? Could you expand some of your views?

Gravedigger - Thanks for your psoitive response. I agree 100% with working in their class interests - I have found tackling most Christians head on in trying to disprove them only results in them gripping more fearfully to their "faith." Working within their style of thinking is the only way to show them the true evils in the world

Drace - good point - i thank you muchly :) It shall be included

Thanks again for all your comments - they have been helpful :)

Solidarity,
Owen

P.S. I'm sorry if none of that made sense - I'm very tired :)