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RadioRaheem84
13th November 2009, 01:41
OK, so far many leftists have totally discredited the philosophical assumptions of the capitalist system. If you begin at that point you can easily dismantle most capitalist arguments BUT...

Their rebuttals leave out a host of issues that are relatively untouched in today's debate.

For instance....

The CIA and the EHM (Economic Hit Men) bribe, coerce, and hinder any movement in the third world that could've led or lead to a better future for the people there. They've helped the US Government lead embargoes, manipulate currencies, squeeze economies with capital flight, lobby on behalf of multi-nationals, quell strikes. I mean the list goes on and on.

Secondly, the Western Powers also have the World Bank, IMF, the Export-Import Bank, the Federal Reserve, European Central Bank, etc. to do a host of things that manipulate the world economy to their favor. They push for third world nations to get into massive debt, force structured adjustment programs to kill off their industries and then afterward promote favored corporations to set up sweatshops in the area.

They have the media that hammers it in that free enterprise is good. Government favors the interests of the capitalist class with lavish tax breaks, subsidies, welfare, charters, contracts, etc. We constantly give up more of the rights we gained after the Great Depression in favor of private power.

They've created a monster of a machine to back up their ideology. Yet, when we bring up ANY of these claims into the discussion its shut down as an unneeded distraction from the debate. So even on purely philosophical standards the leftist can dismantle their arguments, but they always seem to "win" the "reality" game by pointing to the mess socialism has made of certain nations. By eliminating the reality of the Cold War and today, they're able to infer that capitalism has triumphed because its such a sound ideology. Any mention to the media of the said above is loose conspiracy talk even though it's mainstream in the academic world!

This is how capitalism has triumphed. By lying, killing and denying the existence of the opposition. Then at home, they tell the next generation of workers that it wasn't their forefathers during the Depression that gave them mediocre prosperity, it was the free enterprise system.

And this what we do know of so far in the last 10 years of whats been revealed to us. Imagine what we don't know! Is there anything I've missed?

Tatarin
13th November 2009, 05:11
Perhaps a side question, but does it matter if a third world nation's economy is in heavy debt? I mean, the people are starving in any case, it's not like it have any bigger difference?

For example, Somalia must have some debt, yet, how would anyone force "it" to pay that debt?

FSL
13th November 2009, 06:43
Perhaps a side question, but does it matter if a third world nation's economy is in heavy debt? I mean, the people are starving in any case, it's not like it have any bigger difference?

For example, Somalia must have some debt, yet, how would anyone force "it" to pay that debt?

By threatening to stop lending in the future?

ArrowLance
13th November 2009, 08:12
By threatening to stop lending in the future?

And it would pay with what, the cries of the starving?

Drace
14th November 2009, 05:50
Is there a good book on your accusations of the western powers?
Id be interested in knowing about all that you states in more detail

Vladimir Innit Lenin
14th November 2009, 12:15
I prefer to deal in fact. What we already know is so deeply incriminating, shocking and unjust, that we do not need to speculate as to what sinister things the leading capitalists are getting up to. That gives rise to outlandish conspiracy theories, which are neither helpful to our cause, nor able to be validated beyond objective dispute.

RadioRaheem84
14th November 2009, 16:14
I prefer to deal in fact. What we already know is so deeply incriminating, shocking and unjust, that we do not need to speculate as to what sinister things the leading capitalists are getting up to. That gives rise to outlandish conspiracy theories, which are neither helpful to our cause, nor able to be validated beyond objective dispute.

I'm only speaking of things we've already done and have been declassified by this government. I would never speculate about things this nations hasn't already admitted to. That would put me in the same place as the right wing conspiracy nuts.

The point I was trying to make was based on what we do know, the triumph capitalism never came about because of it's philosophical and practical superiority but because the capitalists nations used the state and quasi-governmental organizations to force it on people. Nothing came about because of the invisible hand of the market.

I also said that one can only imagine what else the West did to seek out its imperialist hegemony.



Is there a good book on your accusations of the western powers?
Id be interested in knowing about all that you states in more detail

Anything written by Noam Chomsky. But the ultimate book would be his Understanding Power. Simply brilliant. Also William Blum's Rogue State. Check out the National Security Archive website for a treasure trove of declassified State information. Last, Philip Agee's books are really good.