Studying Marxism-Leninism in class

[Pogue]

Yeh, as it says. I'm thinking of posturing as a Marxist-Leninist for the duration of this module just for the craic, we don't start anarchism for a few months and I'm not happy with how its taught (acts as if 'individualist anarchism' is the same traditional as revolutionary socialist anarchism) so I thought I'd troll the conservatives with my ultra orthodox Marxism.

Who supports this idea? Any tips on how to troll effectively against the conservative types?

[bailey_187]

Stalin number crunching.

[Pogue]

:lol:

I was thinking of arguing every point like Lenin on the burnt out tank after he got off the train from Germany, and saying 'comrades' as I declare a point, and wearing my Lenin badge to lessons.

[Wanted Man]

:lol:

Number crunching. Nazis did Katyn. Justify Kronstadt. Rationalise Budapest 1956. Pick a "niche" country/leader to support particularly vigourously (Ceausescu, Kim, Hoxha, whatever). Explain that opponents were "objectively doing the work of the CIA for them". Since they are conservatives, confirm all their fears regarding abortion and your desire to smash the idea of the "family" at its root. Same with the persecution of the Church.

Etc., etc.

[Pogue]

:lol:

Number crunching. Nazis did Katyn. Justify Kronstadt. Rationalise Budapest 1956. Pick a "niche" country/leader to support particularly vigourously (Ceausescu, Kim, Hoxha, whatever). Explain that opponents were "objectively doing the work of the CIA for them". Since they are conservatives, confirm all their fears regarding abortion and your desire to smash the idea of the "family" at its root. Same with the persecution of the Church.

Etc., etc.

Kronstadt isn't really relevant for this because its not going to come up, we're more studying marxism as revolutionary socialism, and we go into Leninist theory on revolutionary organisation, I'm gonna take one for the team and defend it against the right wingers, tbh i cud probably do it from an anarchist perspective, as I will be defending the notion of class struggle and revolutionary conflict.

[Искра]

In your place I would wear my "Mao tse Tung gets shot in the head" T-Shirt and criticise Lenin so much that every liberal will be on my side and then I'll criticise everything liberal and in the end no one will be on my side and I'll get A+ just to shut up :cool:

[Pogue]

In your place I would wear my "Mao tse Tung gets shot in the head" T-Shirt and criticise Lenin so much that every liberal will be on my side and then I'll criticise everything liberal and in the end no one will be on my side and I'll get A+ just to shut up :cool:

yeh i want to get a reputation as a vicious fucker, thus far this year i've been tame on the argument front

[KC]

Meh I hate this kind of stuff. Generally unless profs are affiliated with the politics they are teaching they don't know anything about it. I have an econ professor that is discussing Political Economy theory and he made numerous errors regarding Marx and Marxian Economics (i.e. that Marx didn't address piece wages, that his theory of wages was based on subsistence levels and some crap about the LTV that was wrong).

[Pogue]

my teacher is pretty clued up. i'm gonna reap some liberal souls these coming months

[Искра]

KC same stuff is here. My professor claimed that Marx made theory of vanguard revolutionary party which job was to create socialist country which will politically be "dictatorship of proletariat" and economically socialist marketist :rolleyes:

[NecroCommie]

If you talk dramatically enough about "abolishing all nations and nationality as reactionary forces to the core", you are certain to heat up several individuals. It is not exactly M-L trade mark though. And if you want to be more abstract you might throw in a few sentences about "utterly destroying the old decadent world." Also, an idea that can sound scary to some ultra-liberals is the idea about: "Never satisfying for anything less than a worldwide soviet union."

[Jazzratt]

Pick a "niche" country/leader to support particularly vigourously (Ceausescu, Kim, Hoxha, whatever).

Do this especially. Bonus points for claiming to belong to the Ceauşescist Union.

[Искра]

We could make Ceauşescist international.

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

Break down and cry when someone insults stalin, then threaten to do them in ala radical.

[Pavlov's House Party]

You have to describe anything and everything that doesn't have to do with military parades as "bourgeois decadence".

[Rusty Shackleford]

You have to describe anything and everything that doesn't have to do with military parades as "bourgeois decadence".

that, and then break down and sing the sacred war
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fe9dQlqywDk&feature=related

[ZeroNowhere]

I do not support this idea. I believe you should be an anarchist, and tell everybody that they are being idiots.
At least, that's how I survived high school history.

[Tyrlop]

Nazis did in fact do the Katyn.

[bailey_187]

“We revolutionaries[Marxist-Leninists] are monkey kings. We will turn the world upside down — the messier, the better…” - Red Guards


Say that. Maybe miss out the "monkey kings" bit.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Credit any negative thing about the USSR to "bourgeois sources".

[Dimentio]

You have to describe anything and everything that doesn't have to do with military parades as "bourgeois decadence".

All hail Glorious Leader MIG KALASHNIKOV!

Tank over opponents! Burn houses!

Listen on youtube videos with photages of Glorious Soviet Tanks mixed with Black Metal or Death March!

Play Red Alert!

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[Pavlov's House Party]

Credit any negative thing about the USSR to "bourgeois sources".

Anything about the Soviet Union that wasn't written by the Soviet Government or your niche leader of choice is bourgeois propaganda.

You should also consider using some kind of Orwellian newspeak, like calling execution "retrospective abortion".

You also have to wear drab, greenish clothing (military surplus is preferable) and grow facial hair and always bring a copy of "Another View of Stalin" by Ludo Martins. Quote it as much as possible.

[Invincible Summer]

All hail Glorious Leader MIG KALASHNIKOV!

Tank over opponents! Burn houses!

Listen on youtube videos with photages of Glorious Soviet Tanks mixed with Black Metal or Death March!

Play Red Alert!

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:


"Kirov reporting" will always make me shit my pants

[Prairie Fire]

Okay,

1. What school do you go to that you get to study Marxism-Leninism in class? Seriously, you guys actually study the theoretical content?

I have no illusions that it is being presented in a genuine way, but this is still an alien concept to me.

2. Why would you want to pose as something that you are not? For the "Epic LuLz" ?

Is anarcho-syndicalism that bankrupt, that you have to spend your free-time doing bad impersynations of other political tendencies, rather than actual political work?

I guess that I could do the same to you guys , as I still have my IWW membership "Red card". I probably won't though because, y'know, I have real political work to do.

You should really look into doing real political work sometime. It's terrific.

Wanted Man:



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Number crunching. Nazis did Katyn. Justify Kronstadt. Rationalise Budapest 1956. Pick a "niche" country/leader to support particularly vigourously (Ceausescu, Kim, Hoxha, whatever). Explain that opponents were "objectively doing the work of the CIA for them". Since they are conservatives, confirm all their fears regarding abortion and your desire to smash the idea of the "family" at its root. Same with the persecution of the Church.

Etc., etc.

Why are you encouraging him?

I would have thought that you, of all people, understood Marxism-Leninism. I guess not.

* Marxist-Leninists don't rationalize Budapest 1956. We actually condemn the Soviet intervention.

* As far as Katyn forest and Kronstdad are concerned, you would be hard pressed to find a serious Marxist-Leninist party/organization that would bring those two historical events up in public. Real Marxist-Leninist parties are not historical societies, and even though we do have a specific stance on these issues, we gear our public work to contemporary building of social conciousness towards revolution.

* Again, serious Marxist-Leninists don't call people out for being pigs, generally (even if they are.). If you have organized properly, in a Leninist organizational structure, the threat of infiltrators shouldn't really be a big deal.

Publicly accusing other groups of being in league with law enforcment (knowingly or unknowingly)... again, I don't know what the situation is in the Netherlands, but here that is a sign of a novice, adventuristic organization.

* As far as "number crunching" goes, while historically our figures are correct and backed up with evidence, again this is not the public face of any serious Marxist-Leninist organization. Debating "holodomer" and such is not even on the radar, in this time of global recession.

* As far as abortion is concerned, why would we cater to the sensabilities of the partiarchal reactionaries? You don't have to be a Marxist to defend womyns reproductive rights (although it helps). This is a contemporary and relevent battle, so Marxist-Leninists take a stand on this issue and hold it even in the face of reaction.


I dunno. I know this is chit chat, but still...

[Tyrlop]

Why would you want to pose as something that you are not? For the "Epic LuLz" ?
.
there are this people who is born to troll. even in the most intense political debat they act like someone els, those are called scitsofrens.

[Pogue]

Okay,

1. What school do you go to that you get to study Marxism-Leninism in class? Seriously, you guys actually study the theoretical content?

I have no illusions that it is being presented in a genuine way, but this is still an alien concept to me.

2. Why would you want to pose as something that you are not? For the "Epic LuLz" ?

Is anarcho-syndicalism that bankrupt, that you have to spend your free-time doing bad impersynations of other political tendencies, rather than actual political work?

I guess that I could do the same to you guys , as I still have my IWW membership "Red card". I probably won't though because, y'know, I have real political work to do.

You should really look into doing real political work sometime. It's terrific.



Not too good at taking jokes are we Praerie Fire? Don't worry, we all know your reputation as a middle class idelogue who apologises for Pol Pot, and we also all know your total absence of any real life political activity that led to you celebrating your election to the eladership of this forum's 'Hoxhaist Union'. On the other hand, at least 12 members of this forum can vouch for my real life political acitivity, whereas no doubt about 300 people here know your reputation as a intellectual middle class waster who can't spell properly.

[ls]

2. Why would you want to pose as something that you are not? For the "Epic LuLz" ?

He has already stated why. There are good reasons to gain the perspective of others by putting yourself in their perspective, maybe you should try it sometime.


Is anarcho-syndicalism that bankrupt, that you have to spend your free-time doing bad impersynations of other political tendencies, rather than actual political work?

He does plenty of real-world political work, I'm sure he should be spending his time out leafleting instead of in the classroom learning from another perspective though, that's real political work.


I guess that I could do the same to you guys , as I still have my IWW membership "Red card". I probably won't though because, y'know, I have real political work to do.

You can do so much political work when learning in a classroom. :rolleyes:


Real Marxist-Leninist parties are not historical societies, and even though we do have a specific stance on these issues, we gear our public work to contemporary building of social conciousness towards revolution.

The best parties have a strong understanding and willingness to promote history, people ask questions, they do not just eat out of the palm of your hand.

[NecroCommie]

Oh, please! Not this "More active than thou"-fight!

[manic expression]

If you want my advice on being a hardcore Stalinist, I suggest buying a Trabant and rolling up to class every morning in your commie-mobile (preferably in stark socialist red with a yellow spoiler). Also, lightly hum the Hymn to the Soviet Union when everyone's taking their seats for class. Oh, and always remind your classmates that their essays may be used against them in court after the revolution.

It's just jokes, everyone. Just jokes.

[Tyrlop]

If you want my advice on being a hardcore Stalinist, I suggest buying a Trabant and rolling up to class every morning in your commie-mobile (preferably in stark socialist red with a yellow spoiler). Also, lightly hum the Hymn to the Soviet Union when everyone's taking their seats for class. Oh, and always remind your classmates that their essays may be used against them in court after the revolution.

It's just jokes, everyone. Just jokes.
better to hum this song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9ScChTcCag
Properly the best song in history... damn its so touching. I wish I could make it into techno version. the song is called "Glory to Stalin" and was written by famous soviet composer D.Shostakovich.

[Jazzratt]

Wanted Man:


Why are you encouraging him?

Satire, presumably and the fact he isn't an uptight ideological puritan.


I would have thought that you, of all people, understood Marxism-Leninism. I guess not.

* Marxist-Leninists don't rationalize Budapest 1956. We actually condemn the Soviet intervention.

* As far as Katyn forest and Kronstdad are concerned, you would be hard pressed to find a serious Marxist-Leninist party/organization that would bring those two historical events up in public. Real Marxist-Leninist parties are not historical societies, and even though we do have a specific stance on these issues, we gear our public work to contemporary building of social conciousness towards revolution.

* Again, serious Marxist-Leninists don't call people out for being pigs, generally (even if they are.). If you have organized properly, in a Leninist organizational structure, the threat of infiltrators shouldn't really be a big deal.

Publicly accusing other groups of being in league with law enforcment (knowingly or unknowingly)... again, I don't know what the situation is in the Netherlands, but here that is a sign of a novice, adventuristic organization.

* As far as "number crunching" goes, while historically our figures are correct and backed up with evidence, again this is not the public face of any serious Marxist-Leninist organization. Debating "holodomer" and such is not even on the radar, in this time of global recession.

* As far as abortion is concerned, why would we cater to the sensabilities of the partiarchal reactionaries? You don't have to be a Marxist to defend womyns reproductive rights (although it helps). This is a contemporary and relevent battle, so Marxist-Leninists take a stand on this issue and hold it even in the face of reaction.


I dunno. I know this is chit chat, but still...

That's all well and good but Wanted Man wasn't suggesting these are the behaviours of a serious Marxist-Leninist rather a stalino-gothic (I can't remember who coined this term but it's awesome) red-alert fanchild "Marxist-Leninist". It would be like me suggesting to someone who wanted to pretend to be an anarchist that they buy a dreadlock wig, give up bathing, defend the positions laid out by the unabomber, talk about how technology alients us from other people and their environments, propose that the best way to fight capitalism is to drop out and so on and so forth.

Oh and pogue:

...you celebrating your election to the eladership of this forum's 'Hoxhaist Union'. ... about 300 people here know your reputation as a intellectual middle class waster who can't spell properly.

Just thought I'd point that out. Also apparently the HU exists outside of this forum although what they're both up to these days is anyone's guess.

[gorillafuck]

Is anarcho-syndicalism that bankrupt, that you have to spend your free-time doing bad impersynations of other political tendencies, rather than actual political work?

I guess that I could do the same to you guys , as I still have my IWW membership "Red card". I probably won't though because, y'know, I have real political work to do.

You should really look into doing real political work sometime. It's terrific.
Not too good at taking jokes are we Praerie Fire? Don't worry, we all know your reputation as a middle class idelogue who apologises for Pol Pot, and we also all know your total absence of any real life political activity that led to you celebrating your election to the eladership of this forum's 'Hoxhaist Union'. On the other hand, at least 12 members of this forum can vouch for my real life political acitivity, whereas no doubt about 300 people here know your reputation as a intellectual middle class waster who can't spell properly.

This is why RevLeft can't have nice things.

[NecroCommie]

...of a serious Marxist-Leninist rather a stalino-gothic ...
I hope the dude who coined that was not a revleft member or I might feel slightly insulted.

[scarletghoul]

Be prepared to encounter the Animal Farm narrative of history

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

Okay,

1. What school do you go to that you get to study Marxism-Leninism in class? Seriously, you guys actually study the theoretical content?

I have no illusions that it is being presented in a genuine way, but this is still an alien concept to me.

2. Why would you want to pose as something that you are not? For the "Epic LuLz" ?

Is anarcho-syndicalism that bankrupt, that you have to spend your free-time doing bad impersynations of other political tendencies, rather than actual political work?

I guess that I could do the same to you guys , as I still have my IWW membership "Red card". I probably won't though because, y'know, I have real political work to do.

You should really look into doing real political work sometime. It's terrific.

Wanted Man:


Why are you encouraging him?

I would have thought that you, of all people, understood Marxism-Leninism. I guess not.

* Marxist-Leninists don't rationalize Budapest 1956. We actually condemn the Soviet intervention.

* As far as Katyn forest and Kronstdad are concerned, you would be hard pressed to find a serious Marxist-Leninist party/organization that would bring those two historical events up in public. Real Marxist-Leninist parties are not historical societies, and even though we do have a specific stance on these issues, we gear our public work to contemporary building of social conciousness towards revolution.

* Again, serious Marxist-Leninists don't call people out for being pigs, generally (even if they are.). If you have organized properly, in a Leninist organizational structure, the threat of infiltrators shouldn't really be a big deal.

Publicly accusing other groups of being in league with law enforcment (knowingly or unknowingly)... again, I don't know what the situation is in the Netherlands, but here that is a sign of a novice, adventuristic organization.

* As far as "number crunching" goes, while historically our figures are correct and backed up with evidence, again this is not the public face of any serious Marxist-Leninist organization. Debating "holodomer" and such is not even on the radar, in this time of global recession.

* As far as abortion is concerned, why would we cater to the sensabilities of the partiarchal reactionaries? You don't have to be a Marxist to defend womyns reproductive rights (although it helps). This is a contemporary and relevent battle, so Marxist-Leninists take a stand on this issue and hold it even in the face of reaction.


I dunno. I know this is chit chat, but still...



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[Pogue]

Satire, presumably and the fact he isn't an uptight ideological puritan.



That's all well and good but Wanted Man wasn't suggesting these are the behaviours of a serious Marxist-Leninist rather a stalino-gothic (I can't remember who coined this term but it's awesome) red-alert fanchild "Marxist-Leninist". It would be like me suggesting to someone who wanted to pretend to be an anarchist that they buy a dreadlock wig, give up bathing, defend the positions laid out by the unabomber, talk about how technology alients us from other people and their environments, propose that the best way to fight capitalism is to drop out and so on and so forth.

Oh and pogue:


Just thought I'd point that out. Also apparently the HU exists outside of this forum although what they're both up to these days is anyone's guess.

lol nice one mate. thanks for that.