Blogger says Cuban agents beat her

[punisa]

Just saw this news, what do you think? Is there real threat of police repression in Cuba? Could this report be fake?
Also, if you can provide any additional details as to what are these organizations actually doing in Cuba (such as this one: Roots of Hope).

Is there any revolutionary spark in Cuban youth or are they hungry for "change"?
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Havana, Cuba (CNN) -- A Cuban woman known for writing critical blogs about life in the communist nation said she was briefly detained by government agents Friday in the capital.
Yoani Sanchez said agents pulled her hair and beat her when she refused to get into their car, according to Roots of Hope, a nonprofit that works with Cuban youth. She said she was on her way to an anti-violence march when she was detained.

full article: http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/americas/11/07/cuba.blogger.detained/index.html

[chegitz guevara]

I see no reason to believe or not believe her.

I wonder how many beatings by police in America CNN covers, though.

[Gravedigger01]

Shocker!!!!!!!A woman critical of Cuban Government accuses them of being repressive.If she was genuinely terrified that Cuban Agents were going to get her I don't think she would be writing blogs about how they beat the crap outta her

[SocialismOrBarbarism]

I find it hard to believe that the government would have it's agents do this, in front of a ton of people, to some liberal with a blog read by millions of other anti-Cubans.


Near 23rd Street, just at the Avenida de los Presidentes roundabout, we saw a black car, made in China, pull up with three heavily built strangers. “Yoani, get in the car,” one told me while grabbing me forcefully by the wrist. The other two surrounded Claudia Cadelo, Orlando Luis Pardo Lazo, and a friend who was accompanying us to the march against violence. The ironies of life, it was an evening filled with punches, shouts and obscenities on what should have passed as a day of peace and harmony. The same “aggressors” called for a patrol car which took my other two companions, Orlando and I were condemned to the car with yellow plates, the terrifying world of lawlessness and the impunity of Armageddon.
I refused to get into the bright Geely-made car and we demanded they show us identification or a warrant to take us. Of course they didn’t show us any papers to prove the legitimacy of our arrest. The curious crowded around and I shouted, “Help, these men want to kidnap us,” but they stopped those who wanted to intervene with a shout that revealed the whole ideological background of the operation, “Don’t mess with it, these are counterrevolutionaries.” In the face of our verbal resistance they made a phone call and said to someone who must have been the boss, “What do we do? They don’t want to get in the car.” I imagine the answer from the other side was unequivocal, because then came a flurry of punches and pushes, they got me with my head down and tried to push me into the car. I held onto the door… blows to my knuckles… I managed to take a paper one of them had in his pocket and put it in my mouth. Another flurry of punches so I would return the document to them.
Orlando was already inside, immobilized by a karate hold that kept his head pushed to the floor. One put his knee in my chest and the other, from the front seat, hit me in my kidneys and punched me in the head so I would open my mouth and spit out the paper. At one point I felt I would never leave that car. “This is as far as you’re going, Yoani,” “I’ve had enough of your antics,” said the one sitting beside the driver who was pulling my hair. In the back seat a rare spectacle was taking place: my legs were pointing up, my face reddened by the pressure and my aching body, on the other side Orlando brought down by a professional at beating people up. I just managed to grab, through his trousers, one’s testicles, in an act of desperation. I dug my nails in, thinking he was going to crush my chest until the last breath. “Kill me now,” I screamed, with the last inhalation I had left in me, and the one in front warned the younger one, “Let her breathe.”
I was listening to Orlando panting and the blows continued to rain down on us, I planned to open the door and throw myself out but there was no handle on the inside. We were at their mercy and hearing Orlando’s voice encouraged me. Later he told me it was the same for him hearing my choking words… they let him know, “Yoani is still alive.” We were left aching, lying in a street in Timba, a woman approached, “What has happened?”… “A kidnapping,” I managed to say. We cried in each others arms in the middle of the sidewalk, thinking about Teo, for God’s sake how am I going to explain all these bruises. How am I going to tell him that we live in a country where this can happen, how will I look at him and tell him that his mother, for writing a blog and putting her opinions in kilobytes, has been beaten up on a public street. How to describe the despotic faces of those who forced us into that car, their enjoyment that I could see as they beat us, their lifting my skirt as they dragged me half naked to the car.
I managed to see, however, the degree of fright of our assailants, the fear of the new, of what they cannot destroy because they don’t understand, the blustering terror of he who knows that his days are numbered.


Can't say that particularly sounds very realistic.

[Proletarian]

fuck her, they should have taken her out and shot her

[Revy]

fuck her, they should have taken her out and shot her

troll alert

[FSL]

Yoanni Sanchez is pretty disgusting. Here she shows her grief for Cuba not holding hands with Obama.



The Summit of the Americas ended yesterday and it doesn’t appear that an urgent meeting of parliament, or a special plenary session of the Party Central Committee, is being convened to discuss the proposals made by Obama. “A fresh start with Cuba,” the American president said in Trinidad and Tobago, but today Fidel Castro’s Reflections referred only to Daniel Ortega’s long speech. The journalists from the National News haven’t taken to the streets to collect people’s impressions and my neighbor has been enlisted in Operation Caguairan, in case of a possible invasion from the North.
Given the importance of what’s happening, the “accountability meeting” being held in my building today should be devoted to the new relations between Cuba and the United States. But the delegate prefers to talk about the unruly neighbors who throw their trash outside the bins, rather than ask what we think about the end of the dispute. In my son’s school some teacher repeats that “Obama is like Bush, but painted black,” and the billboards in the street still call for continuing the struggle against imperialism.

[Uncle Ho]

Sounds to me like she deserved it. Remember that Mao once said liberalism is the greatest foe of Socialism. Liberals are simply wolves in wool sweaters and should be treated as such.

[scarletghoul]

Yoani Sanchez said agents pulled her hair and beat her when she refused to get into their car
tbh it sounds like they were just arresting her by force, while she tried to resist arrest, which is perfectly normal for police in any country. Until I see black eyes n shit I've no reason to believe this counter-revolutionary wanker isn't exaggerating and lying.

Plus, yes, I've seen much worse done by the police in glorious free USA.

[RedSonRising]

They were most likely a little rough from the sound of it, the civil/law enforcement system definitely needs reform, but this (as an isolated incident) is nothing to be alarmed about. A simple arrest in precaution to harmful counterrevolutionary propaganda that didn't do all that much harm to the detainee in the long run.

[An archist]

They were most likely a little rough from the sound of it, the civil/law enforcement system definitely needs reform, but this (as an isolated incident) is nothing to be alarmed about. A simple arrest in precaution to harmful counterrevolutionary propaganda that didn't do all that much harm to the detainee in the long run.
It's nothing to be alarmed about that the police in a 'socialist' country act in the same way and with the same violence as in capitalist countries?
I don't think this is such a strange story, almost all cops are bastards and like to use or abuse their power.
If you resist an arrest, cops will beat you, and apparently it's no different in Cuba.

[Pogue]

I don't see where this thread could go, the Cuban government could issue a delceration admitting it is a corrupt toalitarian state which needs to be immediately abolished and mugs here would still support it, typical Leninists, favouring the state and the leadership figure over the working class.

[revolution inaction]

tbh it sounds like they were just arresting her by force, while she tried to resist arrest, which is perfectly normal for police in any country. Until I see black eyes n shit I've no reason to believe this counter-revolutionary wanker isn't exaggerating and lying.

Plus, yes, I've seen much worse done by the police in glorious free USA.

what relevance does the behaviour of American police have? this is about cuba, a country many on this board consider socialist, i am not aware that anyone here thinks the same of America.

[Sasha]

I wonder how many beatings by police in America CNN covers, though.

quite allot actualy:

Showing 1-10 of 1202 CNN results for "police brutality" Showing 1-10 of 1189 CNN results for "police brutality" Showing 1-13 of 13 CNN videos for "police brutality"


a lot (admitety not all) are about US officers

[pranabjyoti]

quite allot actualy:
a lot (admitety not all) are about US officers
Well, it is a very good proof that the "democratic" US police behave in the same manner as the "dictatorial regime police" of Cuba.

[pranabjyoti]

I don't see where this thread could go, the Cuban government could issue a delceration admitting it is a corrupt toalitarian state which needs to be immediately abolished and mugs here would still support it, typical Leninists, favouring the state and the leadership figure over the working class.
And its place by some kind of imperialist pigs like Yeltsin. All socialist should agree on the fact that should be better for the working class of Cuba.

[Pogue]

And its place by some kind of imperialist pigs like Yeltsin. All socialist should agree on the fact that should be better for the working class of Cuba.

I think Cuba should be run by the working class, its part of socialism you see.

[pranabjyoti]

I think Cuba should be run by the working class, its part of socialism you see.
The working class too, like every other class needs some representative party. THROUGHOUT THE HISTORY OF MANKIND, THERE IS NO EXAMPLE OF CLASS RULE WITHOUT REPRESENTATIVES AND AT THIS MODERN AGE, THIS IS PARTIES. Do you want to tell that the Cuban working class needs a new party to form and grab power from the "State Capitalists"?

[Sasha]

The working class too, like every other class needs some representative party.

no, they dont...



THROUGHOUT THE HISTORY OF MANKIND, THERE IS NO EXAMPLE OF CLASS RULE WITHOUT REPRESENTATIVES

i think a lot of people on this board beg to differ.


AND AT THIS MODERN AGE, THIS IS PARTIES

no, parties are the representatives of the capitalist system.


Do you want to tell that the Cuban working class needs a new party to form and grab power from the "State Capitalists"?

no, they need to kick the party out and strive to establish to an (non-authoriatrian) communist society instead of an state capitalist nation state led by an represive regime.

oh and.... THERE IS NO NEED TO SCREAM!!!!!!!

[black magick hustla]

the stupid liberal stalinotrolls are just being stupid liberal stalinotrolls ... " heh they should have shot her LOL".

[Spawn of Stalin]

parties are the representatives of the capitalist system.
So there is no such thing as an anti-capitalist party? All parties are capitalist in nature just because they choose to organise under their own banners? Anarchism is the only anti-capitalist system? This is what you are implying, yes?

[bcbm]

i wonder how many threads we can turn into an anarchist/stalinist mutual masturbation session.

[pranabjyoti]

i think a lot of people on this board beg to differ.
Well, what science says? Specially Marxian theory of historical materialism?

no, they need to kick the party out and strive to establish to an (non-authoriatrian) communist society instead of an state capitalist nation state led by an represive regime.
The only non-authoritarian society I know from a Marxist point of view is a classless society. If you want a partyless society, you have to establish a classless society. Until and unless, there are workers, they should have a representative that should rule on their behalf. Can anybody see any kind of "dictatorship of proletariat" that is non-authoritarian and without any kind of party of representative organization? Remember, even Paris commune had their own council, very much like the supreme soviet.

[brigadista]

there is private enterprise state sanctioned in cuba and two different currencies.


The Yankee corporations could make a lot of money if they got in there. Unfortunately I think they probably will when Fidel goes.

[pranabjyoti]

i wonder how many threads we can turn into an anarchist/stalinist mutual masturbation session.
The threads, that will discuss the major issues regarding the progress of proletariat until and unless both the petty-bourgeoisie and the working class cease to exist in a classless society.

[Andropov]

Shes clearly a counter revolutionary.
By all right she should have been purged.

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

I see no reason to believe or not believe her.

I wonder how many beatings by police in America CNN covers, though.

A few.

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[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

Shes clearly a counter revolutionary.
By all right she should have been purged.

Or been allowed to go to Miami.

I think my option is better.

[Andropov]

Or been allowed to go to Miami.

I think my option is better.
Indeed.
Also an acceptable solution.

[pranabjyoti]

Indeed.
Also an acceptable solution.
Kick this person and other like him to Miami. I am willing to see how many of such "burdens" can be sustained by US.

[Red Label]

if we rebel we are beaten by thugs with battons.
She was beaten for being a capitalist, am i the only one who does not have a problem with this