Sell out of the postal workers

[Irish commie]

From what i have heard from postal workers and read they are angry at having been sold out by the union leadership and the TUC. what are your thoughts??

[Irish commie]

Im sorry this should have been posted in workers movemtns maybe. can some one move it

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

I think it was quite frankly a disgusting sell out , the workers were prepared to fight to ensure there job security and the union bureaucrats pussyed out.

[Steve_j]

WTF? What happened?

Googling now:(

[Steve_j]

Shit :(

[rednordman]

From the state of unions in uk today- it was most likely a phenomonal sell out.

[Stranger Than Paradise]

Was to be expected I think. The CWU completely betrayed the workers though, it is true.

[Pogue]

Union beurecrats betray workers.

In other news, Pope is Catholic and Bear shits in woods.

[h0m0revolutionary]

"Bumbling Billy" Hayes really did sell the CWU workers out. But in doing so has lay down the final stretch of the road to Royal Mail privitisation. But what else could he do when he himself was being underminded at every corner by TUC leader Brendan Barber.

This goes deeper than just selling out the posties, the whole nature of trade unionism necessitats this sort of farce. Union bureaucrats are a mere symtom of the actual reality of trade unionism. Trade Unions separate workers by industry, or in many cases, by the Union structures themselves (go into any school for example and see at least 3 or 4 different unions active). This makes strikes near on impossible other than in a select few sectors.

Moreover trade unions aren't just corrupted by a select few 'bad apple' bureaucrats. They are part and parcel of capitalism, how else could they survive? They are organs of capitalism after hvaing had capitulated to the interests of profit accumulation long ago.

Their whole existance seeks to negotiate with bosses, for an agreement acceptable to both sides. That isn't our interests, we don't want a pay rise to be agreed with our bosses, we are the workforce, the lifeblood of te capitalist system, the peramiter should be workers demanding their own pay/work conditions, but the Unions seek only to create satisfactory compromises on both sides to facilitate the smooth running of profit accumulation.

As revolutionaries we should agigtate within these structures, as that is where class conscious workers congregate. But we should have no illusions that the Unions are, or ever can be revolutionary vehicles. Our fight is to make them redundant.

[Stranger Than Paradise]

I think it is a bit dismissive to say unions can never be vehicles of revolutionary struggle. It is down to the character of the unions and it's organisation, obviously in times of low class consciousness a revolutionary union can not arise therefore I don't think it is right to criticise the merits of unionism based on bureaucratic unions which are an extension of our environment which is one of low class consciousness.