communism, capitalism and science.

[danyboy27]

do you think it would be possible with the scientific method to prove the efficiency of a system in particular.

i am thinking, 2 fake cities of 10 000 people living in it, each cities run on different economical and political models.

i think it would be a costly experiment but at the end we would have a pretty accurate idea of the efficiency of a system over another one.

based on those scientific evidence we will be able really determine what would be more logical to implement.

what do you think?

[bcbm]

why is efficiency the only measure of which system prevails?

[danyboy27]

why is efficiency the only measure of which system prevails?

i dont mean efficiency like a machine.

efficiency to provide each citizen with a good degree of happines freedom and confort.

many variables could be calculated in this.

[Tatarin]

It probably could be done. Why not less people, like with 1000? Besides, as they already know the outcome, this would never be done.

[danyboy27]

It probably could be done. Why not less people, like with 1000? Besides, as they already know the outcome, this would never be done.

10 000 is a good number beccause it represent a better marker. the more people you have, the more accurate will be the final result.

[Ele'ill]

Maybe I don't understand the question.

How could you keep track of each decision each one of those people makes throughout a day? What about external influences?

[Tatarin]

How could you keep track of each decision each one of those people makes throughout a day?

They probably wouldn't do that, but they would do some sort of poll after some time, I guess.


What about external influences?

It depends on what kind of external influences. But the point is to see which of these experimental societies have the happiest people, no?

[Comrade Gwydion]

do you think it would be possible with the scientific method to prove the efficiency of a system in particular.

i am thinking, 2 fake cities of 10 000 people living in it, each cities run on different economical and political models.

i think it would be a costly experiment but at the end we would have a pretty accurate idea of the efficiency of a system over another one.

based on those scientific evidence we will be able really determine what would be more logical to implement.

what do you think?

Nope, I don't think it's possible. Because, both systems will fail if you construct these two isolated cities: cities can not survive isolated. The need resources, and in this modern world: diverse recources. Diverse recources are not available in an isolated city.

[Ele'ill]

There are too many variables to factor in for it to work.

[graffic]

There are too many variables but perhaps you would end up with a free market system producing a few very happy people and a larger amount of unhappy people. Then the communist system would perhaps produce a large amount of happy or a large amount of unhappy

[jake williams]

Moreover, it's not even just "resources" anymore; the modern economy is based on rapid and complex intercommunication and interconnection between economic actors.

Anyway, all that is kind of a moot point. The model you're suggesting only has the capacity to test systems designed or intended for singular small towns. Capitalism and socialism are for the most part intended by their proponents as global economic systems, and so it doesn't make sense to talk about whether or not either would "work" on the scale of a small town (by whatever measure you choose; it's worth noting that no socialist would disagree that capitalism sort of "works" for capitalists, and so a measure of whether, say, socialism or capitalism works for capitalists would be an irrelevant question).

[Bud Struggle]

With the way the global economy works I don't think that experiment would even work for entire countries nowadays

[RGacky3]

efficiency to provide each citizen with a good degree of happines freedom and confort.

No, its impossible, simply because it has to do with the human mind which no one is even close to understanding yet. Thats the problem with "historical materialism", there are too many things involving human motivation that simply cannot be taken into account.

[Calmwinds]

I will say that it is possible, but certainly not with the state of economics now. Besides, hard and fast stuff like this doesn't fly in the social sciences. Grand theories were always horrible in them.

[mikelepore]

i am thinking, 2 fake cities of 10 000 people living in it, each cities run on different economical and political models.

To test the communist method, 10,000 people are too few. The bare minimum size would be a country that has at least one instance of or every type of industry, that is, at least one clock factory, one can opener factory, one frying pan factory, one doorknob factory, etc., etc., plus mines for all necessary minerals - tungsten, molybdenum, selenium, etc. Unless it has at least one source of everything that the society needs, there would have to be trade across borders, and the benefits of the nonexistence of trade cannot be tested. Some of today's countries would have sufficient size for a fair test, but some countries are too small.

[greymatter]

To test the communist method, 10,000 people are too few. The bare minimum size would be a country that has at least one instance of or every type of industry, that is, at least one clock factory, one can opener factory, one frying pan factory, one doorknob factory, etc., etc., plus mines for all necessary minerals - tungsten, molybdenum, selenium, etc. Unless it has at least one source of everything that the society needs, there would have to be trade across borders, and the benefits of the nonexistence of trade cannot be tested. Some of today's countries would have sufficient size for a fair test, but some countries are too small.

Like Sweden, or are you talking about some kind of Juche deal?

[Proletar Communist]

Capitalism moneys are blinding the science and poisoning the human being. The humanity is on the wrong path. Long live the proletar communism hope!