Fort Hood.

[Proletarian]

Who was behind the offensive at Fort Hood, No news here.
Surely it was not religeous fundamentalists as they would have been stopped by security who are very suspicous of anyone with a beard.
If anyone has any solid info please post it. thanks in advance.

[FSL]

No idea what happened but I think I can be sure of this


GO GO PATRIOT ACT 2!

[Proletarian]

probably the US government doing it to revamp support for the wars in the middle east.

[Music-in-a-bottle]

Right before the holidays too. That just plain sucks. I feel for the families.

[Proletarian]

i feel more for the families of the people of Iraq Afghanistan Vietnam Japan Africa Palestine Cuba Guatemala

These soldiers were far from innocent, i just do not see why people are suprised at this attack, America is hated in every nation on earth, maybe with the exception of Isreal.

[Sasha]

ah shit, they were all military but one of the killers is aperently already indentified as one Malik Nadal Hasan.
i hoped he would be called john smit or something

[Proletarian]

yeah, i was hoping it to be some American born Maoists:) no doubt this will be a great propoganda victory for the team fox news crusade on muslims.
Glen beck will wipe every muslim away with his phoney tears.

[GPDP]

I was in class today when one of my classmates, who's the wife of a soldier currently serving in Iraq, suddenly burst out of the room, which got us all concerned. When she returned, she broke the news about Fort Hood, which apparently hit her close to home, since she and her husband apparently were stationed there for some time in the past, and they have close friends there. My professor, a Vietnam war veteran, immediately feared it was caused by soldiers.

Looks like his suspicions were correct. This sucks, especially considering the fact one of them appears to be of ME descent.

[Music-in-a-bottle]

Well....so much for the right wing aruement about "us being safer if everyone were armed" bullshit. I would think that a military base would be teaming with guns and solders. WTF?

[Kwisatz Haderach]

And tomorrow, Glenn Beck will call for the banning of all Muslims from the US Army...

[GPDP]

Wait, the guy was a therapist?

Here I was thinking the guy might have snapped (you know, soldiers coming back from tours all fucked in the head and all), but if he's a therapist, well, this is either extremely ironic, or he had an ulterior motive.

[The Douche]

Well....so much for the right wing aruement about "us being safer if everyone were armed" bullshit. I would think that a military base would be teaming with guns and solders. WTF?

Soldier don't walk around post armed. The only people armed at the Military Police, just like in the civilian world. Soldiers are not permitted to bring personal firearms on post unless they're keeping them in the unit arms room, or if they're going to the range.

The first thing I thought was that this was a soldier with mental problems. I don't know how anybody else would get on post, unless they were taxi drivers or food delivery guys.

[The Douche]

Wait, the guy was a therapist?

Here I was thinking the guy might have snapped (you know, soldiers coming back from tours all fucked in the head and all), but if he's a therapist, well, this is either extremely ironic, or he had an ulterior motive.

If your job was to listen to all the horrible stories soldiers have after war what do you think that'd do to you?

[Music-in-a-bottle]

Soldier don't walk around post armed. The only people armed at the Military Police, just like in the civilian world. Soldiers are not permitted to bring personal firearms on post unless they're keeping them in the unit arms room, or if they're going to the range.

The first thing I thought was that this was a soldier with mental problems. I don't know how anybody else would get on post, unless they were taxi drivers or food delivery guys.
I know. I just meant that bases are sort of like gun shops, with lots of guns around, somewhere!

[The Douche]

I know. I just meant that bases are sort of like gun shops, with lots of guns around, somewhere!

Guns are stored in unit armories, you can't just show up to a random unit, shout "give me a rifle!" and get one. And ammo is stored in serpeate central locations through out the post, not with the weapons.

Also, the vast majority of people in the military, do not have as their primary job, fighting and shooting. Most of them use their weapons twice a year and never see them other than that.

[A.R.Amistad]

Wait, the guy was a therapist?

Here I was thinking the guy might have snapped (you know, soldiers coming back from tours all fucked in the head and all), but if he's a therapist, well, this is either extremely ironic, or he had an ulterior motive.


This actually is probably proof that he actually was a nut. A lot of those therapist types need one themselves, hence their interest in the subject. Its also possible he had access to certain drugs.
The guy was probably a nutcase who snapped. But his name and skin color is going to give fuel to all the fascist and neo-Nazi militias that are already gaining influence everywhere because of Obama's election and the recession. These groups leach on to these conspiracy theories whether or not they are false, and theirs a particularly ignorant section of the population that is willing to follow. That's my biggest worry. The Fort Hood murders are tragic, and if anyone is going to call me an imperialist for saying this thats just ignorant because a revolutionary should have compassion for all of humanity as humans. But the truth is is that this will soon be forgotten about, just like everything else in our shit for quality capitalist media. They'll figure out his motives and the well off will go on eating their dinners, but the cross-lighting swastika kissing assholes shooting illegal assault weapons in the backwoods are going to create Waco all over again, or worse. If they gain influence, we could be in for a new and real fascist nightmare.

[Proletarian]

they aint human, they are beasts in uniform, there for it is not murder

[Rusty Shackleford]

Just because they are in uniform does not make them fascist/imperialist/racist/baby murderers. this is some fucked up news, and i highly doubt there is any left wing motivation for this. (i can think of a revolution that was primarily assisted by former soldiers in an imperial army... forgot the name though)

now, if it were a mutiny im sure it wouldnt have been a dozen or so randomly killed soldiers, but all dead officers.


hopefully recruitment may drop some more though.

[Jimmie Higgins]

Hah! I'm supposed to regret the deaths of people who were about to go kill innocents? Like hell. Solidarity to today's lone victim, Comrade Hasan.
He's not my comrade.

This incident is the sad result of the violence (at home and abroad) of wars for empire. If we were able to build a real anti-war movement, disgruntled soldiers could be helped to build opposition in the belly of the US military beast rather than being so desperate that they felt that suicide/mass-murder is their best option.

If 3 people were angry enough to go on a shooting rampage, think of how many others are angry and could be organized to build a resistance inside the military.

[Lord Testicles]

Hah! I'm supposed to regret the deaths of people who were about to go kill innocents? Like hell. Solidarity to today's lone victim, Comrade Hasan.


they aint human, they are beasts in uniform, there for it is not murder

You people are bellends, I just thought I'd inform you.

[Uzasne]

How can anybody defend or compliment this psycho? Not all soldiers join because they love the U.S's imperialist actions or because they want to kill Muslims. Many come from working class families and are just trying to get by. Not trying to be a U.S military apologist or anything, but Nidal Malik Hasan is trash.

[RedHal]

Just read the wikkki entry for a quick intro to the story and came across this gem:

"According to retired Colonel Terry Lee, "He said maybe Muslims should stand up and fight against the aggressor. At first we thought he meant help the armed forces, but apparently that wasn't the case. Other times he would make comments we shouldn't be in the war in the first place.""

lol american military personel are so fucken brainwashed that they think they are the liberators and the iraqi resistance are the aggressors. Hey gi joe, you invaded iraq!

[Uncle Ho]

Just another prole driven to shoot his brothers and sisters.

This is not a victory for us, this is a further victory for the bourgeoisie ruler, and you can be sure they will milk every last drop out of it.

[ellipsis]

Not all soldiers join because they love the U.S's imperialist actions or because they want to kill Muslims. Many come from working class families and are just trying to get by.

Economic conscripts. This is a great catch 22 of revolution, it is sometimes necessary to kill members of the working class in order to liberate the working class as a whole.

[Tatarin]

Why wouldn't this event stir up the military? School-shootings in the past have gotten an eye on gun laws, perhaps this will start questions on how things look like in the military?

[Uncle Ho]

Why wouldn't this event stir up the military? School-shootings in the past have gotten an eye on gun laws, perhaps this will start questions on how things look like in the military?

Because the working class is so brainwashed they believe we need to murder millions of oppressed people to ensure our own safety.

The military is the cornerstone of capitalism, because it allows the capitalists to rape and plunder the world to ensure their profits. It will not be re-examined until capitalism is.

[Schrödinger's Cat]

Wait, the guy was a therapist?

Here I was thinking the guy might have snapped (you know, soldiers coming back from tours all fucked in the head and all), but if he's a therapist, well, this is either extremely ironic, or he had an ulterior motive.

Therapists are nuttier than my peanut butter sandwich. True story. Especially since peanuts aren't nuts.

This guy is not a "comrade."

[Arse-Ropes and Revolution]

US soldiers aren't "working class." These people, and I use that term loosely, were about to go to the middle east and, I emphasize, make it their job to kill someone.

Sure, it sucks that he wasn't able to give any serius class consideration to what was going on. He gave his life to stop them. Who could possibly ask more?! We should not be condemning someone who would do that. We should be actively recruiting them.

[Rusty Shackleford]

US soldiers aren't "working class." These people, and I use that term loosely, were about to go to the middle east and, I emphasize, make it their job to kill someone.

Sure, it sucks that he wasn't able to give any serius class consideration to what was going on. He gave his life to stop them. Who could possibly ask more?! We should not be condemning someone who would do that. We should be actively recruiting them.

he sure gave his life and sure as hell stopped 12, and kept 31 from anything for a while. how? by fucking shooting them? this advances nothing but human barbarism.

Yes there are some nutters that join the military because the want to kill, but for those who are not sociopaths, how do they get them to join? it is a voluntary army isnt it? well, they sucker people in. on the one hand you have ideas of "service to your nation," "defending the free world," "fighting terrorism," and "Being a Patriot." Economically they give a soldier a hefty list of benefits like: GI Bill, Insurance, and other monetary benefits. Also, it can get them jobs easier in this society because they are seen as patriotic and heroes. (though you actually see veterans treated like shit and there are many who are mentally disabled due to them being in the military and being deployed to foreign wars like Viet Nam)

Who do all these things benefit? A child of the bourgeoisie or a child of the proletariat? Obviously the bourgeois child doesnt have to join the military for economic reasons, and if they in fact join, they would end up in places like West Point and end up an officer commanding the children of the proletariat from a relatively secure position (once they get higher in rank). The officer commands the lives of the soldier as the government commands its citizens.

If the working class was politically conscious of what the ruling class was doing and how they were using the working class, i am sure that the draft would have to be restarted to ensure the state has its army to sick on other members of the working class. The fact is, many dont see it. they are told in school, in the theater, on television, from friends, and family that "The military is a good safety net if you make it out ok." They are dragged along by the carrot. this is our "voluntary" military recruitment. not to mention the overzealous recruiters.

In short... not every soldier is some evil monster of imperialism. there are conditions that make members of the working class join the military. they end up being of the lowest rank and will eventually become the cannon fodder of a nation. They need to be WON OVER not harassed and demonized. They are still trying to live up to the ideals the ruling class gives them, but if you are skilled enough, you could change that.




just think of that film Joyeux Noel.

[Arse-Ropes and Revolution]

And in the meantime they're killing people.

[Proletarian]

can there be revolution without firing squads.

[Arse-Ropes and Revolution]

The server's not letting me edit that post, but nonetheless I think that long reply deserves more than what I gave it.

Your logic works if we're talking about veterans, but we're talking about people who were actively on their way to go kill people. What are the people of Iraq and Afghanistan supposed to do while they wait for America's glorious proletarian revolution? We are at war. Deal with it.

I'm not saying that his approach was the most tactically advisable, but we do know for sure that in addition to the 42 enemies it took out, it will make lifde significantly harder for others living on US military bases because of increased security, and it might disillusion potential recruits to the US army in the mean time who are attracted to the notion that nothing will happen as long as they don't leave US soil. He deserves our solidarity, respect, and if you're into that sort of thing, prayers.

[Arse-Ropes and Revolution]

The server's not letting me edit that post, but nonetheless I think that long reply deserves more than what I gave it.

Your logic works if we're talking about veterans, but we're talking about people who were actively on their way to go kill people. What are the people of Iraq and Afghanistan supposed to do while they wait for America's glorious proletarian revolution? We are at war. Deal with it.

I'm not saying that his approach was the most tactically advisable, but we do know for sure that in addition to the 42 enemies it took out, it will make lifde significantly harder for others living on US military bases because of increased security, and it might disillusion potential recruits to the US army in the mean time who are attracted to the notion that nothing will happen as long as they don't leave US soil. He deserves our solidarity, respect, and if you're into that sort of thing, prayers.

[FSL]

In short... not every soldier is some evil monster of imperialism. there are conditions that make members of the working class join the military. they end up being of the lowest rank and will eventually become the cannon fodder of a nation. They need to be WON OVER not harassed and demonized. They are still trying to live up to the ideals the ruling class gives them, but if you are skilled enough, you could change that.




The person doing the killing wasn't some full-blown religious "terrorist" or a far left "revolutionary". He was in the army himself for whatever reasons, about to participate in a war he thought was wrong, against people that are culturally and in other ways close to him. People who were also innocent, by the way.

He wasn't a comrade from the looks of it but he can't be held completely responsible if he snapped. The rational way to act would be to go to Iraq and blow some guerilla brains out? This shows the pressure at least some people in the army are facing that can be the foundation for a genuine anti-war movement. Bolsheviks in the 1917 elections had >70% support in the soldiers serving in the eastern front when nationwide it dropped to 25%.

Most important thing is I think to not let this be used as a dividing tool and the justification of the war of cultures theory.

[ellipsis]

I'm not saying that his approach was the most tactically advisable, but we do know for sure that in addition to the 42 enemies it took out, it will make lifde significantly harder for others living on US military bases because of increased security, and it might disillusion potential recruits to the US army in the mean time who are attracted to the notion that nothing will happen as long as they don't leave US soil. He deserves our solidarity, respect, and if you're into that sort of thing, prayers.

Mercing people in cold-blood, who are unarmed is just as cowardly as the UAV opperator who sits in california and blows up a bunch of afghan civilians, or the israeli cop who shoots palestian protestors in the head with rubber bullets. Granted the attack in question was against military personal. If you think that there will be any real benefit for "the people", then you need to severely rethink your model for social change.

[Stranger Than Paradise]

This is sad news. However, am I the only one who finds it sickening that these incidents provoke outrage in the media and in America but no one turns round and says anything at the Iraqi and Afghan people who are being killed everyday in the name of imperialism.

[FreeFocus]

I'm very clearly not shedding any tears or losing any sleep over this. My only regret is that there may be some increased anti-Muslim/anti-Middle Eastern sentiment now.

[Jimmie Higgins]

The other thing that's being reported in the media right now is that Hasan was called "camel jockey" and other slurs in the military. It may be that he was disgruntled like many of these kinds of shooters... if that sort of treatment was his motivation, then the military really is reaping all the anti-arab/Islam sentiment it sowed.

It's no secret that the military actively promotes slurs and dehumanization of whatever group is being bombed among soldiers, so that's just one more thing that points to the military system as the real source of this rampage.

[Rjevan]

^This. Really, I'm not going to defend this man and his deed but in some way I can understand why he... no, not did this but why he ran amok. In the news they say he is a Muslim and that he was about to be sent into Iraq or Afghanistan. He told them that he can't do this, he knew from his patient what was expecting him and he declared he can't fight against his Muslim brothers and sisters, and they say he did so repeatedly. Still they wanted to send him there - sorry, but they had it coming! Isn't it obvious that this man had to go mad because of his desperate situation? If somebody told me about him before his deed I would at least expect that he commits suicide soon.

Again, this doesn't justify that he shot soldiers who had nothing to do with his case, he should have rather shot the people who refused to listen to his appeal, not some random soldiers. But I really ask myself if they didn't want to sent him to Iraq or Afghanistan on sadistic purpose, after he told them he is unable to go there. And now, as FreeFocus said, this can be used as a gift to all Glenn Beck guys and all those who go like: "Muslims invade our country and army and destroy our great country! There you see, a Muslim with Palestinian parents killed brave and patrioctic American soldiers in their own country! 9/11, that's all what I say!!!"

[Wanted Man]

The other thing that's being reported in the media right now is that Hasan was called "camel jockey" and other slurs in the military. It may be that he was disgruntled like many of these kinds of shooters... if that sort of treatment was his motivation, then the military really is reaping all the anti-arab/Islam sentiment it sowed.

It's no secret that the military actively promotes slurs and dehumanization of whatever group is being bombed among soldiers, so that's just one more thing that points to the military system as the real source of this rampage.

I was wondering about that. I seem to recall some previous issue, when an Arab-American soldier went postal after being subjected to racism throughout his career. Apparently, the man also had his doubts about the wars. I guess that must really make him "trash" or "a psycho", just to name two words that have been used in this thread so far...

[Stranger Than Paradise]

I just don't understand why so many people harbour views similar to those of the western media when it comes to issues like these. The man was definitely angered and put under a lot of strain because of the army's treatment of him, I don't justify his actions but I see why he did them. Undoubtedly this will become a focal point for anti-muslim sentiment within the western media.

[Durruti's Ghost]

I refuse to condemn the soldiers in the United States military, who are by and large forced to do what they do by conditions. However, I also refuse to condemn Hasan, because frankly, I think he did what anyone would have done in his situation. Instead, I mourn the deaths of all the victims of this tragedy--the twelve soldiers, the one civilian, and Malik Nadal Hasan.

[Labor Shall Rule]

“At least 12 people were killed and 31 wounded Thursday afternoon in a shooting at a military installation in Fort Hood, Texas, according to military spokesmen. Lt. General Bob Cone said in Texas that the two alleged shooters were Army soldiers who opened fire in a “readiness facility.” […] “It was a processing center where soldiers are processed to go to Iraq or Afghanistan.”

In that case, does it become acceptable to attack imperialist soldiers when they are most certainly being deployed for occupation, or is it somehow “evil” and “terroristic” to open fire on them while they're still here?

I know that this event will not be used to bring attention to mental health in soldiers, or veteran health in general. It's not going to be used to talk about racial discrimination within the military, or within society at large. And it's obviously not going to derail the war escalation.

[Arse-Ropes and Revolution]

Oh look, looks like he did try asking the imperialist soldiers to stop killing Muslims nicely. Big surprise! It didn't work.


"He became a psychiatrist at the Walter Reed Army Medical Centre in Washington ... where he counselled soldiers coming back from war.

"Every day, he heard how horrible those stories were and he really started to question the wars, according to what his cousin and sources who knew him said.

"Hasan became more devout in his religion and started arguing with soldiers about whether the wars were right or not, to the point where he received disciplinary action and negative work reviews.

"He was transferred to the medical facility here at Fort Hood, where apparently these feelings continued.

"It raises a major question - how can a person responsible for the mental health of soldiers returning [from war] be allowed to continue in this profession when he has these kinds of questions himself?"


On the subject of Muslim PR:

1. As a Muslim, I don't want anyone to think that Islam as an ideology that will sit by and do nothing when we're getting slaughtered by the hundreds of thousands or millions. It's not, or at least it shouldn't be.

2. I wore my hijab downtown yesterday and nothing happened. I think you're severely overestimating the ability of people to do the hate on a group they have minimal if any interaction with.

3. If it did happen, I wouldn't mind. The war has been fought for quite long enough in the middle east, it's about time it was taken to the US.

[Jimmie Higgins]

Let's be clear, by all reports this guy flipped out. It seems to be little different than a postal-worker going on a shooting spree; if it was a political act, it was an act of despair and alienation, not revolution. So what's the revolutionary strategy for terrible work situations: Going postal or building resistance and worker militancy?

Individual acts like this do nothing for our cause. If I were in his situation I would have tried to organize among returnING soldiers who were also disgruntled. A protest by enlisted soldiers would have a much larger impact than 5 shooting rampages.

In the Vietnam war, there were anti-war military coffee houses outside fort hood, several GI produced anti-war newsletters, and active duty soldiers organized protests of an off base department store (I forget why, but it was because of some pro-war promotion they were offering to GIs or something). Because Fort Hood was where GIs were shipped off from as well as returning from duty, the returning soldiers came back and tried to tell the new soldiers what it was really like and that they should go AWOL. It got so bad for morale of departing soldiers that the base had to segregate returners from departers!

That's the kind of thing we need now and that's how we can really have solidarity with people in Iraq and Afghanistan.

[Guerrilla22]

Apparently he was yelling "god is great," during the rampage. Unfortunately this is going to lead to more negative feelings towards muslims in the US.

[The Red Next Door]

they aint human, they are beasts in uniform, there for it is not murder Have you heard of vets against the war in iraq? You are generalizing.

[LeninBalls]

You people are bellends, I just thought I'd inform you.


How can anybody defend or compliment this psycho? Not all soldiers join because they love the U.S's imperialist actions or because they want to kill Muslims. Many come from working class families and are just trying to get by. Not trying to be a U.S military apologist or anything, but Nidal Malik Hasan is trash.

So wait... killing/injuring class enemies, enforcers of bourgeois power and global imperialism is barbaric now?

[mosfeld]

WAAAH POOR WORKING CLASS SOLDIERS MURDERED BY A BARBARIC TOWELHEAD WAAAAHHH :crying: :crying:

My sympathies are not with, as opposed to some people in this thread, some imperialist pigs who are or were up and ready to go murder in Afghanistan or other parts of the world. They can fuck off and die. Fuck imperialist armies, in class struggle they're our enemies and we should applaud those who have the courage to kill them. My sympathies are with the millions who are or have either been raided, humiliated, murdered, tortured, raped or bombarded by the military institution the dead pigs were a part of. Hats off to Hassan for betraying this disgusting institution and having the courage to avenge those butchered families who have suffered under the boots of the US troops.

[Rusty Shackleford]

WAAAH POOR WORKING CLASS SOLDIERS MURDERED BY A BARBARIC TOWELHEAD WAAAAHHH :crying: :crying:

My sympathies are not with, as opposed to some people in this thread, some imperialist pigs who are or were up and ready to go murder in Afghanistan or other parts of the world. They can fuck off and die. Fuck imperialist armies, in class struggle they're our enemies and we should applaud those who have the courage to kill them. My sympathies are with the millions who are or have either been raided, humiliated, murdered, tortured, raped or bombarded by the military institution the dead pigs were a part of. Hats off to Hassan for betraying this disgusting institution and having the courage to avenge those butchered families who have suffered under the boots of the US troops.

Just because one doesnt condemn every soldier in any imperialist army doesnt mean they love/support them. it is not black and white. for fucks sake all of us on here are against the wars in the middle east and abroad. our sympathies are with the people who have "been raided, humiliated, murdered, tortured, raped or bombarded by the military institution the dead pigs were a part of."
but when you start applauding the deaths of possibly innocent(not of being in an imperialist army, but of murder) and even possibly sympathetic people then you need to take a better look at it. They may willingly join the military(and i explained why before) but they may not want to actually kill other people, "legally" or illegally. if they refuse an order, they can be court marshaled by the military, if they kill an officer, they may very likely end up executed. they are forced to obey the orders of the military hierarchy.

fucking george orwell was in burma as an imperial police officer and what did he do after that? he fought for the republic in spain!


obviously there will be less sympathy for working class politics in a volunteer army, but there is still a chance. There are leftis even on HERE who have served in an imperialist army.

I feel sorry for the man who was killing people and for those who have been killed. The man in question also has my sympathies because he was pushed to these extremes.

[#FF0000]

Keep in mind a lot of soldiers are economically conscripted. Just reminding everyone that things aren't black and white.

[mosfeld]

Just because one doesnt condemn every soldier in any imperialist army doesnt mean they love/support them. it is not black and white. for fucks sake all of us on here are against the wars in the middle east and abroad. our sympathies are with the people who have "been raided, humiliated, murdered, tortured, raped or bombarded by the military institution the dead pigs were a part of."
Yeah, wow, the problem is that in war you cant poke your enemy and go ''uh, hey there, I'd like to get to know you a bit and then determine if I should shoot you or not.'' The fact of the matter is that they're on the enemy team which means they're open for fire.

You see, your sympathies are, wether you like it or not, with the imperialist pigs unless you take a stand against them, which you aren't, demonstrated in your opposition to shooting them. Claiming that no action should be taken against imperialist pigs is active support for the status quo, which in turn is active support for bourgeois rule. I sincerely hope no one takes your shitty liberal stance because we’ll get nowhere with it.

http://www.beyondtv.org/nato/crap/capitalism.jpg

If you don't understand where Im going, here's a pretty image which demonstrates the pyramid of the capitalist system.

See those guys at the bottom? Yeah, that's our team. Everyone else is our enemy. Odds are seriously stacked against us, man, don't you think? We could definitely use some help. Hey, look.. see that guy to the far left on the military pedestal on that image? Yeah, that's Hasan, the shooter. He just shot the guy in the middle in the face because he was a dick to him. This move in turn, regardless of his intentions, benefitted our team. Everyone at the bottom is celebrating.. well, except for maybe that starving woman. Is she dead? Who knows. But anyways, are you going to be that douchebag liberal who's going to, based on your bourgeois moral instincts, go on about how that was an unjustified attack? This move by Hassan should be supported by socialists. If you oppose this, as you did, those rulers at the top, in secret, grin and high five each other and gossip about how you're a useful tool for continuing their capitalist apparatus. Fuck that.

Ok, so Im rambling a bit. You get the gist of what Im saying though, right?


fucking george orwell was in burma as an imperial police officer and what did he do after that? he fought for the republic in spain!
Fuck that overrated misogynist racist.

[bcbm]

its interesting that all of the nuanced critiques and suggestions for anti-imperialist activity within the army to undermine it are consistently ignored in preference of calling everyone who doesn't think this sort of random shooting is necessarily productive pro-capitalist. i'm glad we have such a high level of discussion here.

[Rusty Shackleford]

@Mosfed

for the most part i understand what you are talking about. At this point in time there is no PHYSICAL war between the ruling and oppressed classes. at this point in time it is still possible to talk and be rational. Also, you dont have to fucking go and kill someone to prove you are for or against something. where is the rationality? can you not be opposed to something and still not go out and kill someone? I am against imperialism, but not EVERY SINGLE PERSON who is connected with imperialism in some way is necessarily the enemy! there are soldiers our there, even in the enemy lines who may be sympathetic to our cause. if they are not actively and openly hostile with you then why would you just go and kill them!?

and about orwell, yeah i knew i was going to get shit for saying anything about him, but it is an example of a person who was in an imperialist force, who then fought on the side of anti-imperialists! that was the point of that
Sure, in time of war the enemy should be eliminated before they eliminate you. and yes i know that picture.

in times of peace there is no solid dividing line though.

[LeninBalls]

At this point in time there is no PHYSICAL war between the ruling and oppressed classes.

Hi, my name is the occupation of Iraq, Afghanistan, Northern Ireland, the Basque Country...

[Jimmie Higgins]

Hi, my name is the occupation of Iraq, Afghanistan, Northern Ireland, the Basque Country...Yes, Texas isn't currently under military occupation, so it is still possible to use other more effective means of organizing a mass resistance. Besides, one person with two handguns does not make a resistance no matter where he is.

[VeganLiz]

they aint human, they are beasts in uniform, there for it is not murder

I am bothered by this post.

I've lived my entire life on military bases. My father joined the military right out of high school when he found out that my mother was pregnant with me. He was broke and had no support from his family and my mother was still in high school (later dropped out). He did what he had to do to support his family...how is that anything but human?

[Sasha]

^i know several similair story's...
but the anti-impi tankies here just like to go on their "kill all yankees, kill kill kill" wish i was in the mountains being glorious maoist revolutionairy trip.
its the revleft version of the stormfront glorious aryan viking knight behind the keyboard trip.

just ignore them and remember that for example the makhnovist shot captured officers on the spot but gave captured ordinary soldiers the choice to either join them or go home unharmed. an example we can learn a lot from.

[LeninBalls]

^i know several similair story's...
but the anti-impi tankies here just like to go on their "kill all yankees, kill kill kill"

What the fuck

Where have any of us said anything about killing Americans in particular?


wish i was in the mountains being glorious maoist revolutionairy trip.
its the revleft version of the stormfront glorious aryan viking knight behind the keyboard trip.

wish i was in the streets throwing rocks at police and smashing shit for the people its the anarchist version of the stormfront glorious aryan viking knight behind the keyboard trip.

Two can play at this game etc.


just ignore them and remember that for example the makhnovist shot captured officers on the spot but gave captured ordinary soldiers the choice to either join them or go home unharmed. an example we can learn a lot from.

That's real nice of the Makhnovists but honey this isn't 1919 anarchist dominated Ukraine. Also what's to say it's fair of the Makhnovists shooting officers but not soldiers? Surely some of the officers were innocent conscripts too.

Without trying to be a dick I understand where you and others are coming from with the innocent worker soldier view, and I can talk too because my dad served many years in the Irish Army and my cousin fought for British imperialism in Afghanistan (he's still serving too but not in Afghanistan), and both of them joined because the hard-life at home and promises of glory and win in the army, but in the end a class enemy is a class enemy. Like mosfeld said we don't stop and ask about soldier's backgrounds and thoughts, a soldier, a bourgeois tool, is a bourgeois tool and must be dealt with for the end of imperialism and ultimately capitalism.

And of course, not all soldiers are innocent kind guys. (http://megavideo.com/?v=RXRB381M)

[revolution inaction]

just ignore them and remember that for example the makhnovist shot captured officers on the spot but gave captured ordinary soldiers the choice to either join them or go home unharmed. an example we can learn a lot from.

i read that they did the same for officers if the soldiers serving under them spoke out on there behalf.

[Comrade B]

Just putting this out there

Rooting for the death of soldiers doesn't make you a revolutionary. It just makes you a sick violent bastard.

It is horrible that Hasan was subjected to racism every day at work, but this does not make every person on base a racist bastard. The man snapped. Only so much hate can be directed at a person before they can't take it anymore.

[Rusty Shackleford]

Hi, my name is the occupation of Iraq, Afghanistan, Northern Ireland, the Basque Country...


that skipped my mind and i apologize. i was thinking along the lines of at home. i feel rather stupid for forgetting that

[Pawn Power]

There has been an average of 10 suicides a month at Ford Hood this year.