The Difficulty of Revolution Today

[the last donut of the night]

Today, we see a few socialist revolutions going around in the world. Peru, Nepal, India, the Philippines and Brazil (maybe if you count the MST's occupations as a revolution, which I don't) are examples.

However, most revolutions we've had failed, created state-capitalist states, and are always crushed. Furthermore, they have only happened in "under-developed" states. They have failed to gain force in richer nations.

In short, this is my question: How far away are we from world revolution? Will there every be a successful revolution in the richer nations? How can we succeed, with the hand of Capital so strong?

[GatesofLenin]

Sadly, the richer nations will continue to have their masters (less than 1 % of the population) and the sheeps (the other 99%) and this is why capitalism will always be around. Sheep like to be led and the rich nations are full of people that behave exactly like sheep. I encounter daily many looks and comments my way from others because I'm not a "stay quiet" type of person. If something is wrong, I will voice my opinion. I knock down daily the current economic and political system in Canada and it's corruption but never once get backing but always get comments talking how I need to relax, go on some medication (great excuse pushed by capitalists, makes them even richer while making more brainwashed sheep). I truly don't care and will talk freely no matter what! Capitalism works because the majority are voiceless idiots, corruption occurs and no one cares. Time for a major revolution i.e south american style comrades!

[GPDP]

Sadly, the richer nations will continue to have their masters (less than 1 % of the population) and the sheeps (the other 99%) and this is why capitalism will always be around. Sheep like to be led and the rich nations are full of people that behave exactly like sheep. I encounter daily many looks and comments my way from others because I'm not a "stay quiet" type of person. If something is wrong, I will voice my opinion. I knock down daily the current economic and political system in Canada and it's corruption but never once get backing but always get comments talking how I need to relax, go on some medication (great excuse pushed by capitalists, makes them even richer while making more brainwashed sheep). I truly don't care and will talk freely no matter what! Capitalism works because the majority are voiceless idiots, corruption occurs and no one cares. Time for a major revolution i.e south american style comrades!

I understand your frustration, but as a socialist, I'd expect you to know better than to disparage millions of people as being "sheep" and "voiceless idiots."

[GatesofLenin]

I understand your frustration, but as a socialist, I'd expect you to know better than to disparage millions of people as being "sheep" and "voiceless idiots."
When the millions of people let themselves be turned to slaves by the few rulers than I got a problem with it. Lenin wrote that all people need to be involved in the running of the state: "... in which all could take part in the administration of social matters. We can at once set in motion a state apparatus constituting of ten if not twenty million people." How much longer will people allow themselves to be "imprisoned" by this false system? Canada is a perfect example of a Bourgeois run country, the politicians are a class by themselves. Politicians and their friends: rich business man, bankers, etc... are raping the country. It's a good for the minority, not the majority system and the common man has no say whatsoever. Our elections are a rigged propaganda that the common folks buy into like sheep. They really think that they're doing a good by voting but what they don't realize is that all the parties that are avaiable to pick from are all the same. Liberal Party of Canada, NDP, Progressive Conservative, etc... all protect the class of rich few bloodsuckers. These few tells us many how to live, pass laws that don't apply to them but we're watched like bacteria under a microscope. Understand also that I'm quite new at this political and economic studies and am finding my way as they say. I've been thinking alot since my early years about the govt corruption and am finally speaking my mind now. I've had it and love this site where we can freely post opinions among our fellow comrades who have had enough as well.

[Weezer]

I believe that there are some nations that won't come out of capitalism. Capitalism, fundamentalism, shepherds, and all things reactionary have been so far into American society that I doubt a revolution could ever come to America, without the help of an already socialist nation.

Ever seen Red Dawn? That's pretty much what Americans think would happen under socialism. Don't get me wrong, that movie is great and is the biggest guilty pleasure ever, but it will take a long time for Americans to ever accept revolution and socialism with the lingering Cold War propaganda still around, like the Republicans and their "democraps=evil commies!!1!!11!!!" message.

And that's just talking about the people. Think about the American government! They would call revolutionaries "terrorists," infiltrate us, assassinate them, the people are one thing, but the capitalists would rather die than let capitalism die. The American Government is the most powerful bourgeoisie force in the world, it will never die.

A revolution in America will never be the work of the American proletariat. I doubt America will ever come out of its capitalist slump.

[red cat]

Revolution will happen in every country, as the existence of class oppression is a sufficient condition for that. The revolutionary potential of the American proletariat has so far been harnessed by the American bourgeoisie by buying off a small portion of it and forming a labour-aristocracy that remains loyal to them. This is possible only due to the plunders of this imperialist power in its colonies. Revolutions in the colonies will happen first and cut off the source for the colonial-surplus. This will create the exact objective conditions necessary for revolution in America.

[#FF0000]

The best way to rouse the working class to revolution is by calling them sheep, clearly.



Ever seen Red Dawn? That's pretty much what Americans think would happen under socialism. Don't get me wrong, that movie is great and is the biggest guilty pleasure ever, but it will take a long time for Americans to ever accept revolution and socialism with the lingering Cold War propaganda still around, like the Republicans and their "democraps=evil commies!!1!!11!!!" message.

And that's just talking about the people. Think about the American government! They would call revolutionaries "terrorists," infiltrate us, assassinate them, the people are one thing, but the capitalists would rather die than let capitalism die. The American Government is the most powerful bourgeoisie force in the world, it will never die.


Because we all know that everything has been status quo since the dawn of time and major upheavals have never occurred in places where they once seemed unlikely.

[Stranger Than Paradise]

Revolution is no more difficult today than it ever was. In fact the longer we wait without a revolution I think the more easier revolution will become. Capitalism will not go forever unchallenged, it is finite and Communism is the destiny for our world.

[KC]

Revolution is no more difficult today than it ever was. In fact the longer we wait without a revolution I think the more easier revolution will become. Capitalism will not go forever unchallenged, it is finite and Communism is the destiny for our world.

Thank Marx!!! Now we can all sit on our asses and play video games.

[Stranger Than Paradise]

Thank Marx!!! Now we can all sit on our asses and play video games.

No we must agitate, educate and organise within our communities and workplaces. I was just saying I do not think that Capitalism will forever go unchallenged and hopefully sometime in the not too distant future we will start to see steps towards world revolution.

[KC]

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[RedRise]

Communism is the destiny of the world and it will happen eventually but the sooner the better and the more generations just sit on their rear ends the longer we'll have to wait. For the future generations we should act now. And I think the best way to start is with the future generations I feel lucky that I'm educated enough to even know about communism. This is where we have to start.


Time for a major revolution i.e south american style comrades!

I'm with ya there, comrade. Viva la Revolucion!:D

[Post-Something]

History isn't teleological.
We don't know how close, or far we are, away from communism. Or if we'll ever get there.

[bricolage]

History isn't teleological.
We don't know how close, or far we are, away from communism. Or if we'll ever get there.

Indeed. Revolution isn't inevitable, neither is communism. At lot of the time this just serves as an excuse for inactivity.

[New Tet]

Today, we see a few socialist revolutions going around in the world. Peru, Nepal, India, the Philippines and Brazil (maybe if you count the MST's occupations as a revolution, which I don't) are examples.

However, most revolutions we've had failed, created state-capitalist states, and are always crushed. Furthermore, they have only happened in "under-developed" states. They have failed to gain force in richer nations.

In short, this is my question: How far away are we from world revolution? Will there every be a successful revolution in the richer nations? How can we succeed, with the hand of Capital so strong?

The proximity of revolution can be gauged from the intensity of the class struggle, I think.

Capitalism is weaker than it appears. The U.S., for example, being the highest developed country seems less able to sustain its economic and political empire without the use of its own or surrogate military force. A sign of weakness, I think. The increase in police actions against worker discontent and political dissent is a sure sign of insecurity and desperation.