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Saorsa
3rd November 2009, 02:37
Timely questioning of no-platform fetish

James Turley sees SWP politics reduced to ultra-shrill self-parody

It has been a busy week for the Socialist Workers Party - the largest and most visible far-left group in Britain today. Its members and periphery formed the biggest part of Saturday’s demo against the Afghanistan war, as well as the bulk of Thursday’s shrill protest at the appearance of the bumbling British National Party leader Nick Griffin before a hostile Question time audience.


All this against the background of the ‘pre-conference discussion period’ - that is, the three months every year when the SWP membership is allowed to discuss things other than how many leaflets are needed for Saturday’s Stop the War stall. This is the second year running that the usually dull autumn exchanges have halfway merited the name ‘discussion’ - and both times the name at the core of the disputes is that of John Rees, the erstwhile prima inter pares on the SWP central committee who was ousted last year.


On the ‘anti-fascism’ front, there have been no perceptible public changes in the stance of the SWP - no news, in this case, being bad news. The big ‘event’ this week is, obviously, the Question time episode, to which Griffin had been controversially invited following his election as an MEP. The show itself was a high point in terms of audience figures; the same cannot be said for the turnout for the hysterical protest outside BBC television centre, staged by Unite Against Fascism, which is staffed by the SWP.
It falls to the never-knowingly-perceptive party organ, Socialist Worker, to solve the contradiction posed by almost every concrete activity the SWP today undertakes - that is, directing endless opprobrium at the sheer awfulness of the current state of affairs, while simultaneously talking up its own influence on events.


True to form, Esme Choonara writes a report this week entitled ‘Nick Griffin’s BBC appearance sparks angry protest’ (Socialist Worker October 31). That contradiction is visible from the off: “Thousands of anti-fascists laid siege to the BBC’s studios in London on Thursday of last week as fascist British National Party (BNP) leader Nick Griffin was handed an unprecedented publicity coup on Question time.” Apart from the fact that there were probably only a thousand or so anti-fascists, they failed in their objective of stopping the broadcast. Later on we are told that “anti-fascists came very close to breaking through and were only held back by security gates and lines of police”. To which one can only respond: what other obstacles are there to breaking into a building that were successfully overcome by these intrepid demonstrators to justify it even being mentioned? The gruelling walk to the police lines from White City tube station?


Unfortunately, the heroic failure of UAF to stop the QT circus bodes ill for the British and indeed European masses. Griffin has cultivated links with various organisations in Europe, with a view to forming a “new Europe-wide Nazi group”. “Outrageously, the BBC hid behind claims of ‘impartiality’ to hand a Nazi organisation a platform to peddle racist and homophobic lies” - which seems rather compatible with the dictionary definition of ‘impartial’ - unlike, say, the absence of any far-left forces on the platform. Whether or not the BNP is fascist, meanwhile, it is certainly ‘peddling lies’ to call it ‘Nazi’ (even in the 1980s, it was the rump National Front which identified more closely with Nazism). But the BBC would not have to face this particular moral dilemma, even if a left electoral success forced it to invite, say, Weyman Bennett onto Question time, as SWP members take the trouble to no-platform themselves by refusing to debate the likes of Griffin face to face.


All this is much of a muchness with the SWP-style ‘anti-fascism’ we have gotten rather used to - an insistence on labelling anyone to the right of the Tory Party (barring, for some reason, the UK Independence Party) Nazi and nothing less; an implicit contempt for the masses who will apparently be won instantly to Griffin’s programme if he appears on TV; a pseudo-politics based entirely on moral distance from ideological degenerates who simply cannot be touched; and a millenarian view of the consequences of budging on this (gas chambers all the way down).


Yet, to believe a motion put before the October 10 SWP party council (the delegate body which meets a couple of times between annual conferences), the central committee is on the verge of abandoning all this.


This critical motion is reproduced in the first SWP Pre-conference Bulletin (known as the Internal Bulletin or IB) over an extensive list of names, including those of Rees, his partner and close collaborator Lindsey German, and long-time ally Chris Nineham. It is obviously enough the work of Rees’s newly formed Left Platform faction, which has been officially recognised for the duration of the pre-conference discussion period. The motion frets: “At the last two national committee meetings of the SWP a majority of the CC who spoke argued that the SWP should be prepared in the future to debate with members of the BNP in the media after Nick Griffin appears on Question time on October 22, thus abandoning the ‘no platform’ position.” Not only that, but a majority of the NC had spoken in favour of this heresy.


On the contrary, “the election of two BNP MEPs and the change in policy by the BBC does not mark a significant enough shift in the balance of forces between the left and the BNP to justify abandoning ‘no platform’.” Here is a curious logic indeed - it is fine for the SWP to abandon ‘no platform’ once the establishment does.


“The principle at stake here,” the comrades argue, “is that the BNP should not be regarded as a legitimate bourgeois party.” But why should this be treated as a “principle”? In times of severe social crisis the bourgeoisie can turn to fascism to retrench its rule - thus instantly rendering the fascists ‘legitimate bourgeois politicians’. In fact leading establishment figures could switch to the fascists or attempt to transform what the SWP currently regards as ‘legitimate bourgeois parties’ into fascist organisations. To insist on a hard and fast distinction here is to introduce one where none really exists - social democracy differs vastly from fascism, but both are expressions of rule considered “legitimate” by the bourgeoisie at different times.


This motion was overwhelmingly defeated at party council, which approved a rival motion from the CC. However, the latter motion did not contradict Rees’s at all in terms of substance, reiterating that SWP members in UAF “will refuse to appear on a panel with Nick Griffin”. The SWP “will redouble our efforts to win the case for no platform for the BNP in the media and build the UAF campaign of protests and pickets to challenge the BBC’s decision”. Nonetheless, we cannot but note that there is wriggle-room in the approved motion, which concentrates on the narrow issue of the BBC, and leaves open the question of whether the SWP may later embark upon a wrenching turn.


The ‘smoking gun’ for Rees and co was a rather innocuous letter from ‘loyal oppositionist’ John Molyneux published in Socialist Worker - very sensibly headlined ‘“No platform” must not be a fetish’ (June 13). “Yes,” argues comrade Molyneux, “we should campaign against the BBC and other broadcasters giving the Nazi British National Party (BNP) airtime. But when it is clear they are going to appear anyway it is to our advantage that they are confronted by anti-fascists.” An impermissible sell-out for the Reesites - and for the successful party council motion.



IB No1 - alongside such riveting items as ‘Nurturing the roots in Kings Lynn’ - contains a number of items related directly or peripherally to the anti-BNP crusade. One proposes a “change of strategy”, which turns out to be reviving the SWP’s old Anti-Nazi League as a hard faction within UAF - Occam’s razor is never knowingly applied by SWP cadre when it comes to front organisations.


‘Holding the line on “no platform”’ (authored by four London comrades identified as Dean, Paul, Julie and Jim) parallels the Rees party council motion. It is highly confused. For example, it states that “BNP support contains a strong irrational element”, and so “argument is a less effective weapon against fascism than force”. The “Nazis” cannot be defeated in rational debate because they are “deceptive liars, distorting and exploiting the real issues …” As everyone knows, the poor, ignorant masses are always taken in by irrational lies and are never persuaded by lucid argument exposing those lies for what they are.


The comrades warn that agreeing to debate with Griffin on national TV or radio would “undermine” ‘no platform’ locally: “Why shouldn’t our student union host a debate with the BNP? Martin Smith/Weyman Bennett appears on TV with them.” But then, just a few paragraphs later, they write: “Locally, though, we do have significant positions that may involve tactical decisions about whether to appear on platforms with the BNP, when they also have prominent roles as councillors, in tenants associations, etc. To refuse in such circumstances might amount to sacrificing a key role in a campaign for the sake of holding a line on the BNP that could be detrimental to the wider campaign.” Exactly.


This contradiction demonstrates that there are those in the ranks of the SWP who are not completely stupid. Some are actually showing signs of trying to think. There may be a time when the principle of ‘no platform’ might have to be reconsidered, they say: if, for example, “the BNP has achieved a level of legitimacy comparable to the French or Italian fascists. We would then have to re-evaluate our stance in the light of a different balance of forces.”


But not quite yet … at least nationally. The comrades attempt to rebuff a point made by comrade Molyneux in his Socialist Worker letter. He pointed out that Antonio Gramsci had been prepared to debate with Benito Mussolini in the Italian parliament. The comrades respond: “There is no comparison with the position Gramsci found himself in under Mussolini in the 1920s and the political landscape of Britain in 2009. The working class is not defeated and our comrades are not being assassinated by fascist hit squads.”
So now that the BNP is not a serious threat to the workers’ movement, being in the same room as a member is a mortal sin; but when it becomes one, it’s time to start debating? Such, apparently, is the logical consequence of defending an idiotic policy.


The wooden spoon for the whole bulletin, however, undoubtedly goes to one Ben from south London, who relates at length his experience building yet another SWP front - Defend Council Housing - from scratch in his area. It is for the most part a tale of patient, low-level activism come good, although one wishes always for a little more political ambition from such cadres to marry to their masochistic desire for grunt-work.


One anecdote stands out, however - one of the first people interested in his campaign turned out to be “on the leaked membership list of the BNP”. When he discovered this (“it pays to Google everyone who approaches you in these campaigns,” writes Ben in a footnote - “If I hadn’t found out about his membership until later, it could’ve become a damaging issue for the DCH group”), he pinned him down and “popped the question”: “… he was candid with me. He said he had been a member previously, and agreed with them on everything except the racism.” Naturally, of course, he was immediately excommunicated from the campaign. A final footnote reveals that he was later elected chair of the local tenants’ association.


In the 1930s and 40s, the ‘official’ Communist Party had to confront the far more threatening presence of Oswald Mosley’s British Union of Fascists. They often did fight the fascists in the streets, most famously at Cable Street; yet where the CPGB was strong, it was able to perform exactly the kind of community activism to which Defend Council Housing aspires (and the BNP has been so adept at using in recent years). Party activists would make an effort to draw BUF supporters into communist-led rent strikes - not a few tore up their BUF cards on the spot.


Conversely, Ben in south London effectively cut himself off from a seemingly talented and well rooted community activist on the basis that he had once been a member of a nowadays very diffuse-at-the-edges far-right organisation. The SWP’s pathological aversion to engaging with the BNP’s supporters - never mind for a moment properly hardened fascists - not only reduces its politics to ultra-shrill self-parody, not only entirely disarms it before the bourgeoisie, but even serves to sabotage the low-level activism among ‘real people’ it so venerates.


Comrades should learn the lessons - denying the far right a platform is a tactic, which may be appropriate under certain circumstances. In other circumstances, as the comrades are starting to realise, debating with the BNP might be more effective. The SWP should drop this “fetish” once and for all.


http://cpgb.org.uk/worker/791/timelyquestioning.php

Q
3rd November 2009, 20:38
Other SWP related articles this week:
- Triumvirate’s reorientation faces Left Platform rebellion (http://www.cpgb.org.uk/worker/791/triumvirate.php)
- PDF of the IB #1 (http://www.cpgb.org.uk/ref_files/Preconf%20Bulletin%201%20Oct09.pdf) (pre-conference Internal Bulletin of the SWP)
- What kind of landmark? (http://www.cpgb.org.uk/worker/791/whatkind.php)
- Second-rate response to second-rate führer (http://www.cpgb.org.uk/worker/791/secondrate.php) (SWP gets mentioned)

Maybe there is a bit too much focus on the SWP? :p

blake 3:17
4th November 2009, 04:44
Seems a bit obsessive. I at least know what "no platform" means now. I thought it had something to do platformism (the anarchist thingy) or putting forward a program.

Irish commie
4th November 2009, 20:22
The obvous continued attack on a fellow leftist party is extremely counter productive and leaves me very frustrated increasingly making me think that the weekly worker is the tabloid of the socialist world. Maybe an attack of labour and conservatives anti trade union and public secotor stances rather than flinging mud at a fellow socialist gruop would be a far better use of space.

Vanguard1917
4th November 2009, 20:41
I read that last week. A very good article. The WW's coverage and analysis of the Question Time issue has been impressive indeed.

I agree, however, that in general the WW focuses too much on the SWP -- although, of course, in this case analysing the SWP's politics was justified since they were influential in the pro-censorship QT demo. But, overall, the SWP is just not that important.

Irish commie
4th November 2009, 20:46
3000 people joined after the program, i woulndt allow him on question time to spread his racist views. Also if you look at the policy of mussolini's party before taking over italy and compare it to that of the BNP's the BNP's is more right wing.

Olerud
4th November 2009, 20:46
Wow this is...realllyyyy......reallyy....interesting *Snores*

This paper is really just a gossip rag, I don't know why you bother with it.

Die Neue Zeit
23rd November 2009, 06:07
So, whatever happened to "pure Kautskyism, wrapped in shit anti-fascism" (http://www.revleft.com/vb/spew-builds-links-t122354/index.html?p=1600001) that is alleged of the CPGB?

Patchd
23rd November 2009, 16:12
Ah, utter shite from the Weekly Worker again! This may sound like I'm defending UAF, or the SWP, but I'm definitely not.


It has been a busy week for the Socialist Workers Party - the largest and most visible far-left group in Britain today. Its members and periphery formed the biggest part of Saturday’s demo against the Afghanistan war, as well as the bulk of Thursday’s shrill protest at the appearance of the bumbling British National Party leader Nick Griffin before a hostile Question time audience.

Reading the whole post, we do see a picture of the CPGB attempting to paint Nick Griffin as this harmless, 'bumbling' person, and uses other subjective language to tarnish anti-fascists (of whatever kind) as 'shrill', panicky, 'hysterical' or weak, done for the obvious reason of attempting to discredit 'No-Platform' itself, by discrediting UAF's brand of No Platform. It is certainly true that the working class is not involved in mass organising for militant action against fascists, however this attempt to discredit the anti-fascist movement through subjective language has to be taken note of too, especially considering that all the CPGB ever do is, admittedly a lot of HOPI work, but mainly lecturing, meetings and contributing to the Weekly Worker. This is not activism, this is preaching [a shit message] to the converted.


On the ‘anti-fascism’ front, there have been no perceptible public changes in the stance of the SWP - no news, in this case, being bad news. The big ‘event’ this week is, obviously, the Question time episode, to which Griffin had been controversially invited following his election as an MEP. The show itself was a high point in terms of audience figures; the same cannot be said for the turnout for the hysterical protest outside BBC television centre, staged by Unite Against Fascism, which is staffed by the SWP.
On the contrary, “the election of two BNP MEPs and the change in policy by the BBC does not mark a significant enough shift in the balance of forces between the left and the BNP to justify abandoning ‘no platform’.” Here is a curious logic indeed - it is fine for the SWP to abandon ‘no platform’ once the establishment does.

“The principle at stake here,” the comrades argue, “is that the BNP should not be regarded as a legitimate bourgeois party.” But why should this be treated as a “principle”? In times of severe social crisis the bourgeoisie can turn to fascism to retrench its rule - thus instantly rendering the fascists ‘legitimate bourgeois politicians’.This point that the CPGB's supposed attack on No-Platform, is not an attack on No-Platform at all needs to be kept in mind, in reality it is an attack on the SWP, and UAF. I disagree with a lot of UAF's tactics, some of which include handing over anti-fascists to the state, and working with right-wing, and liberal politicians, however, the CPGB can never seem to understand the threats of fascism, most being 'middle class', quite privileged old men, some are Oxford lecturers, others earn a living through the CPGB.

The point I'm trying to make is that if fascists ever gained power in Britain, we will most likely see the CPGB being targeted also, but in the meantime, whilst they can safely write their critique of bourgeois society whilst comfortably sipping a glass of the finest Merlot, not having to worry about the problems that fascism is creating for the working class in the meantime (ie: a rise in physical attacks, harassment, bullying and discrimination due to ethnicity, sexual orientation, gender, disability etc.), on the estates and on the streets. Right now, the CPGB may realise how oh-so-naughty a party the BNP really is, but they do not realise the threat of it.

The point about No Platform is that it is solely for the protection of the community. There's a big difference between Western liberal democracy, and potential British fascism, one of which is that myself, and/or my mum would no longer be living here, if something worse doesn't happen.


‘Holding the line on “no platform”’ (authored by four London comrades identified as Dean, Paul, Julie and Jim) parallels the Rees party council motion. It is highly confused. For example, it states that “BNP support contains a strong irrational element”, and so “argument is a less effective weapon against fascism than force”. The “Nazis” cannot be defeated in rational debate because they are “deceptive liars, distorting and exploiting the real issues …” As everyone knows, the poor, ignorant masses are always taken in by irrational lies and are never persuaded by lucid argument exposing those lies for what they are.This is twisting the issue very much so, there's a big difference when the mainstream media show the views of mainstream and/or fascist politicians, as ideologies which seek to maintain Capitalism, they do not see it as being necessarily bad, and so they exploit the public by choosing what to air, or who to bring on. Anarchists have had this problem quite significantly in the past, with the media editing interviews to make the movement sound like chaotic, punk driven, madness. Rarely do we ever see a mention of the 'left', unless done so on a negative basis (no surprise of course) and on the terms of the media outlet.

Fascism however, we hear about all the time, we hear about it objectively also, when we cannot look at fascism objectively.

Die Neue Zeit
24th November 2009, 04:13
Reading the whole post, we do see a picture of the CPGB attempting to paint Nick Griffin as this harmless, 'bumbling' person, and uses other subjective language to tarnish anti-fascists (of whatever kind) as 'shrill', panicky, 'hysterical' or weak, done for the obvious reason of attempting to discredit 'No-Platform' itself, by discrediting UAF's brand of No Platform. It is certainly true that the working class is not involved in mass organising for militant action against fascists, however this attempt to discredit the anti-fascist movement through subjective language has to be taken note of too, especially considering that all the CPGB ever do is, admittedly a lot of HOPI work, but mainly lecturing, meetings and contributing to the Weekly Worker.

Meetings which happen to include potential so-called "converts."


This is not activism, this is preaching [a shit message] to the converted.

The left deviation since Gramsci, Korsch, and Lukacs has a derogatory word for this: propagandism.

http://www.revleft.com/vb/spew-builds-links-t122354/index.html?p=1600612


This point that the CPGB's supposed attack on No-Platform, is not an attack on No-Platform at all needs to be kept in mind, in reality it is an attack on the SWP, and UAF.

Au contraire; if SPEW were in the pilot's seat over No-Platform, it would face the full thrust of the CPGB's critique.

The simple point is this: the BNP are a bunch of racial-protectionist wannabes. The bigger enemy of the working class are the big corporatist and social-corporatist parties: the Tories, Lib Dems, AND Labour (the last point being a point the CPGB doesn't get).

Before becoming the first leader of East Germany, the Stalinist Walter Ulbricht provided the model for dealing with fascist speeches in ways that No-Platform never could:

http://www.revleft.com/vb/walter-ulbricht-and-t114266/index.html
http://www.permanentrevolution.net/entry/1902

"The victory of the working people over the exploiters and slave holders is at the same time the victorious struggle for liberation by the German people. It is the way to prosperity, work and freedom, it means tearing up the Young Plan. Look to the Soviet Union, which has freed itself from every enemy! Long live the united front of the fighting proletariat and all workers against exploitation, Young Plan enslavement, and Fascism!"

Devrim
24th November 2009, 09:54
especially considering that all the CPGB ever do is, admittedly a lot of HOPI work, but mainly lecturing, meetings and contributing to the Weekly Worker. This is not activism, this is preaching [a shit message] to the converted.

What are people supposed to do? What sort of activism do you want? The task of communist organisations lies in playing a role in the development of class consciousness, and the building of cadres. If you think that this is better served by publishing a paper, and holding meetings than standing outside the BBC shouting, that is what you do.

Devrim

h0m0revolutionary
24th November 2009, 10:34
What are people supposed to do? What sort of activism do you want? The task of communist organisations lies in playing a role in the development of class consciousness, and the building of cadres. If you think that this is better served by publishing a paper, and holding meetings than standing outside the BBC shouting, that is what you do.

Devrim

But the point isn't what they do, but the audience they aim their propaganda at..

Surely our primary task as revolutionaries si to win the class over to communism. The WW exists only to criticise the existing left, I think that's perfectly fine, but to defend them on the basis they are developing class consciousness, is incorrect.

Patchd
24th November 2009, 11:25
Meetings which happen to include potential so-called "converts."
Possibly, I never see them attempt to engage with the working class, they hold meetings for the left, all who come either come to give CPGB policy a double stamp, or to criticise it, being from another small group on the left claiming to be the revolutionary vanguard.


The left deviation since Gramsci, Korsch, and Lukacs has a derogatory word for this: propagandism.

http://www.revleft.com/vb/spew-builds-links-t122354/index.html?p=1600612


If you think that this is better served by publishing a paper, and holding meetings than standing outside the BBC shouting, that is what you do.
JR: No, being active is important, how else will you engage with your class? By attempting to sell them papers about splits within the SWP without even getting them to realise your politics beforehand, talking about issues which actually affect them? Really, preaching to the 'converted' does not advance the class struggle.

Devrim: Yes, but they will not be exempt from criticism for the decision they make, like they do so with us, as shown by the WW article posted in the first post. Keep in mind that I was not on that BBC Nick Griffin protest, although had a few friends there, I'm attempting to attack CPGB's armchair critique of political activism that goes beyond calling for votes for the Labour party in order to save social democracy, and criticising those attempting to stop the growth of fascism (obviously all of these groups deserve good criticism where they can be found).


Au contraire; if SPEW were in the pilot's seat over No-Platform, it would face the full thrust of the CPGB's critique.
I know, the WW will attack any left group, I was merely pointing out that CPGB's attempt at attacking No-Platform is in fact, an attack on a group on the 'left'.


The simple point is this: the BNP are a bunch of racial-protectionist wannabes. The bigger enemy of the working class are the big corporatist and social-corporatist parties: the Tories, Lib Dems, AND Labour (the last point being a point the CPGB doesn't get).
Oh I agree, but fascism must not be allowed to rear it's head around the corner. For me, it's in my own material interests, I have a mother who's an immigrant (as we know, immigrants have been a big target for the BNP), I'm gay, and I'm working class, fascism traditionally crushing working class strength before seeking to target others.

So, while I realise that current imperialism is the problem, and is the cause of the problems which fascists have been able to manipulate and use to target and blame other members of the working class, I at least have some rights under social democracy, or a liberal democracy, those rights are never cemented, but those ideologies at least have coherent politics, fascism is not and is based on no empirical logic at all.


Before becoming the first leader of East Germany, the Stalinist Walter Ulbricht provided the model for dealing with fascist speeches in ways that No-Platform never could:

http://www.revleft.com/vb/walter-ulbricht-and-t114266/index.html
http://www.permanentrevolution.net/entry/1902

"The victory of the working people over the exploiters and slave holders is at the same time the victorious struggle for liberation by the German people. It is the way to prosperity, work and freedom, it means tearing up the Young Plan. Look to the Soviet Union, which has freed itself from every enemy! Long live the united front of the fighting proletariat and all workers against exploitation, Young Plan enslavement, and Fascism!"
Oh, the de-politicisation, or at least the dishonesty of 'socialist' members of UAF, and the UAF in general, is something which I oppose too. If that's what you were saying, I think we should be talking about class on actions, we already do, there just has to be more.

... or were you saying we should look towards so-called socialist states to prop us up and fight fascism? :confused:

Die Neue Zeit
24th November 2009, 15:35
No, then-KPD activist Walter Ulbricht was invited by the Nazis to a meeting. A better way to engage with neo-fascist lies is to go into their meetings and address working-class members there (but by all means apply No-Platform to petit-bourgeois far-rightists and their non-worker ilk). For example, go into a UKIP meeting and question their nationalism:

http://www.revleft.com/vb/lassalleanism-lesson-eu-t110829/index.html


I of course oppose nationalism, but nationalist sentiments amongst workers could be used in the short term as a two-edged sword. As part of the proletariat "rising to be the leading class of the nation, constituting itself the nation" (Communist Manifesto, Ch. 2), populist charges can be levelled against national bourgeoisies everywhere regarding their common financial cosmopolitanism - "industrial" (via outsourcing) or otherwise (look no further than to capital flight phenomena and discussions on half-hearted "Tobin tax" measures).

So, a comrade would go into a UKIP meeting and question anti-immigration sentiments by pointing out the above.


L.J., I don't think Jacob is suggesting that we take up nationalism or anti-immigration positions - he even said in his first post that he opposes nationalism. Rather, he's suggesting that we take advantage of patriotic or populist rhetoric to point out to the working class that the bourgeoisie does not serve national interests.

I would agree up to a point. I often argue against free-market nationalists by pointing out the self-contradictory nature of their political position: You can't support global capitalism and be a nationalist at the same time, because global capitalism works to erode national identity. However, I do not make this argument with the intention of winning over the nationalist to our side. I make it with the intention of driving a wedge between the global bourgeoisie and nationalist elements, so that they will fight each other and the Left can sit back and enjoy the fireworks.

Turning existing nationalists against global capitalism is a good strategy and I highly recommend it. Trying to win over those nationalists to our side by making concessions to their point of view, on the other hand, is a dangerous game. You might pull it off without falling into populism, but I don't think it's worth the risk.

Especially since a UKIP columnist or two has been sympathetic to half-hearted imitations of measures initiated by the Paris Commune! [In this case, I read in the Telegraph, the columnist was for average workers' wages for MPs and the ability to recall them, but didn't mention everyone else in public administration.]

Random Precision
24th November 2009, 15:39
From the "last post" tab for the Politics forum I could only read "Weekly Worker demolished". Too bad.

Devrim
25th November 2009, 11:04
But the point isn't what they do, but the audience they aim their propaganda at..

Surely our primary task as revolutionaries si to win the class over to communism. The WW exists only to criticise the existing left, I think that's perfectly fine, but to defend them on the basis they are developing class consciousness, is incorrect.

I don't defend the 'Weekly Worker'. I don't agree with their politics at all, and don't think that they are playing a positive role in developing class consciousness.

What I disagree with is the way that the SWP tries to smear them as merely a 'gossip rag'. Basically, it is a way of dealing with any criticism by merely dismissing it. I don't think that it has anything to do with the nature of the CPGB, or the validity of their arguments. Of course they will use different tactics when criticised by you, I would imagine saying that you support Israel (by refusing to support HAMAS) would be one of them.

My point is that basically the SWP's line about the Weekly Worker is little more than a smear designed to shield their members from engaging with criticsm of their politics, and political discusion.

As senior SWP members nearly go as far as admitting that they will recruit anybody with a left leg, and that democratic mechanisms can't function in their party, this is hardly a surprise.


JR: No, being active is important, how else will you engage with your class? By attempting to sell them papers about splits within the SWP without even getting them to realise your politics beforehand, talking about issues which actually affect them? Really, preaching to the 'converted' does not advance the class struggle.

Devrim: Yes, but they will not be exempt from criticism for the decision they make, like they do so with us, as shown by the WW article posted in the first post. Keep in mind that I was not on that BBC Nick Griffin protest, although had a few friends there, I'm attempting to attack CPGB's armchair critique of political activism that goes beyond calling for votes for the Labour party in order to save social democracy, and criticising those attempting to stop the growth of fascism (obviously all of these groups deserve good criticism where they can be found).

But all organisation utilise their resources to 'preach to the converted' to some extent bearing in mind that the 'converted' may well be people who whilst being subjectivly revolutionary socialists may support or be members of anti-working class organisations.

The AF obviously knows this, or why would they have issued the recent pamphlet on nationalism.

If we accept that then it becomes a question of resource allocation. How much time do we spend on direct interventions in the class struggle? How much time do we spend on a critique of leftist groups.

The ICC for example has run one article on the SWP this year:
SWP open letter to the left: Reviving the electoral corpse
(http://en.internationalism.org/wr/2009/326/swp)
I don't defend the politics of the Weekly Worker, nor do I agree with their idea that most of their resources should be put into this type of criticism. I do understand what they see themselves as doing though, and reject the SWP's smears as what they are.

Devrim