fascist government takes control in Canada

[spice756]

Has you all know on the news a ban to ban all cell phones well driving in Ontario. Other move of big brother telling you what you can and cannot do.

Dam you need stupid boat licence the government wanted to ban all hand guns.The CRTC control what American content can be shown in Canada .

I do not have the freedom to choose what station I want ( like fox reality TV or truTV ) or I do not have the freedom to go with American company like direct TV or dish network has to be a Canadian company like star choice , bell , rogers or showa.

I do not have the freedom to smoke pot or drive with out seat belt damit I'm 18 + if I wanted be stupid and drive with no seat belt and smash my head open that my right.If I want drive a boat with no life jacket that is my right.


It all started with 30's prohibits alcoholic and the ban on all drugs that are not FDA inprove with out prescription. Than the 60's and 70's the liberals and conservatives peeing their pants with hippies and people smoking pot ,free love and sex out of wedlock. In 1972, United States President Richard Nixon announced the commencement of the so-called "War on Drugs.

The war drugs was going on for long time but it really was Richard Nixon that made Harsh prison terms and all out war on drugs.

Not say that oral and anal sex was illegal in the 60's along with same sex.And yes many states sex toys was illegal too.But it does not stop there prostitution ,drugs and late 90's ban on smoking any where in public building even bars ,night club that have smoke free area. About the only place you can smoke now in your car ,house or out side.


But the government is not stoping just on sex, drugs , smoking or drinking.But the fact the police can stop you and saying where are you going and where are you coming from. I need to see ID.

The government banning this and banning that .No cell phone when driving , no drinking in public , must have a seat belt on , no skateboarding in this area , no bikes or rollerblading in this area , no cell phones or cameras in this area.

Bush wanted state ID and put every person DNA and drivers licence along with other information in one big database do to 911.Have check points and police every where.

But we know what really they wanted is big brother like Germany. The government and police can have camers every where and take pictures but google street view cannot with out car DL and person face blocked out.

[MarxSchmarx]

^^You think that's bad try being a Brit, the supposed home of individual liberty.

[FSL]

I do not have the freedom to smoke pot or drive with out seat belt damit I'm 18 + if I wanted be stupid and drive with no seat belt and smash my head open that my right.If I want drive a boat with no life jacket that is my right.


And if I wanna fine you for all those amazingly stupid acts it seems that that's my right.


Heh! Sucks to be you! Now go drive without a seatbelt while drinking, smoking pot and talking on your cellphone! We only get one life, baby!

[ls]

And if I wanna fine you for all those amazingly stupid acts it seems that that's my right.


Heh! Sucks to be you! Now go drive without a seatbelt while drinking, smoking pot and talking on your cellphone! We only get one life, baby!

In a post-revolutionary society, it's hardly like driving whilst drinking/smoking pot/with a cellphone is going to be tolerated as it endangers others.

Some people are fucking morons, think about what you're saying, spice756.

[Revy]

Is this thread a joke? :blink:

[Comrade Gwydion]

And I fucking agree with the ban on using your cellphone while driving, the ban on alcohol/drugs while driving or working (in your free time ofcourse, it should be legalized), the law on wearing seatbelts and the ban on smoking in public area's, and the ban on rollerblading through the fucking courtroom. Okay, I agree with you that I'm worried about the identification requirements, and I think camera's should be allowed everywhere. But seriously, the rest is just common sense.

[mikelepore]

Regarding "to ban all cell phones while driving" - are you sure the law doesn't prohibit holding a cell phone in your hand while driving? In most U.S. states you may use a cell phone in speakerphone mode or with a headset. They don't want the driver to have only one remaining hand for the steering wheel, turn signals, heater switch, mirror adjustments, etc. The driver is responsible for operating the high speed motion of a heavy machine near crowds of people, which implies having some safety rules.

[spice756]

Is this thread a joke? :blink:


This is no bloody joke and never should be .Even conservatives at conservative websites are complaining of rights being removed.

I don't know how you or anyone can be left learning like a communist , socialist or anarchy and not make top news here. The liberal and conservatives at their message boards are starting to conplain too ( so where are people here).

Some times I think revleft is just people who have fetish to communism and not active and don't give dam . Just much of arm chairs here.:(You really need to check out other message boards has even liberals and conservatives are starting to complain it is going to far now.

But they need the push to see the light and that is problem with left today to cought up in crowd of the likes and need to get out debate and talk to liberal and conservatives .

This is no joke at other sites but may be people here may think it is joke here. Look I don't want to sound rude but I believe the world and US is hell and needs revolution ASAP so we don't have 60 old or 70's congressman and senators making more problems than there is.

Keep in mind the people are more left than the government and most times it is the government is passing these crazy laws like they are on crack.

I don't need some government telling me that I need a seat belt or life jaket on boat. It true there needs to be law on driving well having too much to drink or being high on public roads putting others at risk.

Has for banning well talking on a cell phone what is next ban Ipods, mp3 ,AM and FM radio, eating well driving or putting make up on ,talking in car to other people all things that are distraction. Banning does not work people still speed ,DUI , do drugs and and do bad stuf so on.

What I would like is big brother will it should be and allow people do what they like and not ban what you call distraction and if they cause a car crash put them jail for bad driving.

There are 3 times of drivers on the road
1. good driving
2. Bad drivers
3 Canadian or American worst drivers like the TV show.


Look I don't care what you do on the road but if you brake traffic law or cause car crash you are at at fault.Some people can talk on cell phone or eat and drive and other people cannot.




And I fucking agree with the ban on using your cellphone while driving, the ban on alcohol/drugs while driving or working (in your free time ofcourse, it should be legalized), the law on wearing seatbelts and the ban on smoking in public area's, and the ban on rollerblading through the fucking courtroom. Okay, I agree with you that I'm worried about the identification requirements, and I think camera's should be allowed everywhere. But seriously, the rest is just common sense



I don't know what you trying to say but law or no law is not going to stop me from using my cell or rollerblading .If I brake traffic law or hit some one than I have every right to spend a month in jail. This what the dam country should be base on not banning but if you responsable.




Some people are fucking morons, think about what you're saying, spice756.


I see too many people driving that should not be driving that is the dam problem and cops all tied up at calls or looking for drugs or speeders than road rage and bad drivers. When the cops are not on calls they dealing with speeders , driving suspended or making drug bust and that will make money ..

They need more traffic cops and need to make it harder to get a drivers licence and stop banning what is call distraction.They need to weed out the bad drivers and worse drivers that should not be driving.


If you playing with AM or FM radio , on cell phone , eating or putting on make up you have to take responsibility if you brake taffic law or hit some one. If the police , fire and EMS can take responsibility to drive to call , look up the address on the map , talk on the radio and read information on the computer or chase speeder ( wanted for robbery ) going 150 KM or 200 KM trying to get away from cops and talking on radio to dispatch where they are all the time in the chase with out hitting anyone . Sure police , fire and EMS have to have training and you cannot be bad driver to get in but if you hit some you are at fault.


This big brother telling you want you can or cannot do is from soviet and fascist government that people are too stupid.

[spice756]

^^You think that's bad try being a Brit, the supposed home of individual liberty.


I have seen the youtube videos of cops on every block and check points in areas . Where are you going and coming from and I need ID.


And cameras everywhere !!

[Bud Struggle]

This big brother telling you want you can or cannot do is from soviet and fascist government that people are too stupid.

I think the "nanny state" mentality trancends political boundries. When in power Liberals, Socialists, Fascists, all like to make laws to make things "better" for their citizens. Probably the only people that don't want to make laws for you are the Libertarians. (And maybe the Anarchists--I'm not sure about them though, that whole idea of "everyone's going to do the right thing because under Anarchism because they are just going to WANT to do the right thing" seems a little snarky to me.)

As Ronald Reagan one said: the most frightening thing an America citizen could ever here are the words "I'm from the Federal Government and I'm here to help."

It is the nature of government to get bigger and bigger and "help" more and more.

[FSL]

Liberals and conservatives protest the "freedoms" and "rights" being taken away from them because they, like ol' Maggy believe there is no one else around, no society but only individuals. They are entitled to being asses, to smoking in public space, to "putting makeup while driving" (!), to speeding.
They have no problems with governments effectively banning strikes or making education and healthcare so costly they become unaffordable (=forbidden) for many.


And honestly, no you won't smoke next to me, you won't use your cell while driving and if I were to see you doing anything like that, you 're damn right I'd want you punished in some way. Regardless of what you think you're not the most important person around and at all times your actions should take others into consideration too.

[Ele'ill]

Maybe this was said already but I believe the issue with seat belts is that if you're hit by someone who is later ruled to be at fault for the accident and you weren't wearing a seat belt (so the damage done to you is much more than it would have been), then the consequences for the guilty party involving insurance and lawsuits etc are much much greater- which isn't fair.

[Die Rote Fahne]

Op is a huge moron.

[Sam_b]

Learn the definition of fascism, please.

[KarlMarx1989]

!!

Is this guy serious?

[spice756]

Well in the 1800's we had more freedom but this has been slow prograss every year of more freedom being taken away .

In communist country and fascist country you had no freedom the goverment pass laws to help everyone.The goverment was your mom and dad and you where kid too immature.

The libertarians where about freedom and responsibility.The communist and fascist where not about responsibility but the goverment telling you want to do cause you are too immature. In other words the goverment trying to make everyone responsable.

In libertarians country if you hit some one or broke a traffic law do to eating ,on cell phone ,playing with AM and FM radio , playing ipod or mp3 you play the price. In a communist and fascist country if you broke a traffic law or hit some one eating ,on cell phone ,playing with AM and FM radio so on YOU DO NOT pay the price .If the goverment thought it was problem they would just ban it to make people responsable.

The libertarians is about you take responsibility and pay the crime if you not responsable not the goverment make everyone responsable .

If you yanking on cell phone or playing with your GPS or note- book computer you take responsibility and if you brake traffic law or hit some you pay the price.The goverment does not have to ban stuff to try to make some one responsable .

The gun does not kill people but people kill people .I'm tired of liberals playing the game the product not the person does crime.You take responsibility for you action. In a liberal society you have to ban every thing even movies and video games that are violent that is not what the country was like before .You take responsibility not bllame it on movies and video games .

You not going to find too many conservatives supporting banning stuff to make the country better.The proper conservatives are about people take responsibility for there action.


I don't agree with conservatives people do crime cause they are evile or bad in scenes of robbery ,stealing ,B&E or car theft .Has that is poverty motive . I agree with conservatives the gun does not kill people but people kill people.If you are 18+ and shoot some one you take responsibility the government does not have ban guns to make people take responsibility .

In fact under true communism the military is abolish and the people become like army reserve and people arm them self.

In the country you live in and most in the world it is not true democracy but majority rule over minoraty and even at most this not the case .How many laws being pass go to election for improval .

[ls]

Actually you're right..

What should happen in a post-revolutionary society if we see that?

Well, I for one would advocate that the person in question have their car seized until they promise never to do it again, if they ever do do it again, they are never allowed to drive again.

[spice756]

Op is a huge moron.

I second that and even conservatives are piss want going on now.If I was mod of this site you would be restricted to OI for reactionary views.Has commusim and anarchy is about freedom .

[Bud Struggle]

Learn the definition of fascism, please.

Well a simple "totalitarian" would have been better.

But we have to "choose" what laws we want in society. Some would say that they want freedom to wear a seat belt or not and that society has no rith to control what people do in their cars.

On the other hand some may say that people like postal workers have no right to strike--strikers upset the order of society and that shouldn't be done. Is that another rule that society should hold to.

It's all a matter of personal opinion in the end.

[spice756]

Actually you're right..

What should happen in a post-revolutionary society if we see that?

Well, I for one would advocate that the person in question have their car seized until they promise never to do it again, if they ever do do it again, they are never allowed to drive again.

The way I look at it you play with AM or FM radio, on cell phone , play with GPS, computer , play with the mp3, eat so on . Fine by me but if you hit some one or brake traffic law you pay the price.

[spice756]

Well a simple "totalitarian" would have been better.

But we have to "choose" what laws we want in society. Some would say that they want freedom to wear a seat belt or not and that society has no rith to control what people do in their cars.

On the other hand some may say that people like postal workers have no right to strike--strikers upset the order of society and that shouldn't be done. Is that another rule that society should hold to.

It's all a matter of personal opinion in the end.


What I'm saying is the US or Canada does not have yo take all soviet and fascist government laws but pick and choose .

The police check points where are you going and coming from and I need to see ID was a thing in the USSR and Germany.The banning of rights and lack of free press was the thing in the USSR and Germany.The police state in the USSR and Germany.

The US just picks and choose and got those idea from communism and fascism.The USSR or Germany would be one to have camers every where .

[FSL]

The way I look at it you play with AM or FM radio, on cell phone , play with GPS, computer , play with the mp3, eat so on . Fine by me but if you hit some one or brake traffic law you pay the price.


If you do hit someone, it's him paying the price.

[Bud Struggle]

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The police check points where are you going and coming from and I need to see ID was a thing in the USSR and Germany.The banning of rights and lack of free press was the thing in the USSR and Germany.The police state in the USSR and Germany.

I can't imagine that anyone should have to give any other ID to the authorities than this one:

http://wardchurchilltrial.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/johnny-cash-finger.jpg?w=418

[Comrade Gwydion]

Well in the 1800's we had more freedom but this has been slow prograss every year of more freedom being taken away .


.... ha.... ha......... haha....... WHAHAHAHAHA!

Freedom to starve, or freedom to be shot, or freedom to radomly be locked in a dungeon with torturedevices you mean!

Listen, I haven't read any of your posts outside of this thread, but since you managed to make 500+ without getting banned, you must be allright.... but in here you sound like a fucking neo-con.

[spice756]

Stop putting words in by mouth . I agree with libertarians and anarchy on civil liberty rights but I do not belive in free market.

I belive people have right to state run free haetcare just like people have right to police ,fire and EMS and the right for free eduaction.

The thing is the world is cold place and people don't care about other people and this is do to how are mon , dad and school and media teaches us.

Workers need rights not to be exploited and no one should go with out food,water and house .

Well commusim and anarchy is about freedom not what countries call them self commusim and are not but state capitalism.

[Comrade B]

Fascists kidnapped my great granduncle and murdered him in a concentration camp.

Are you honestly comparing forcing people to not drive like ass holes to this?

[Bud Struggle]

Fascists kidnapped my great granduncle and murdered him in a concentration camp.

Are you honestly comparing forcing people to not drive like ass holes to this?

It's a slippery slope.

Slippery slope.

It's interesting to see how much you Communists like your "rules for living."

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

Its not fascist but seriously , keep an eye on this bollocks do not let it get to the UK point where you pick up a paper to read that someone has being nicked for taking there kid and his mate to rugby training or something just as ridiculous.

[ls]

The way I look at it you play with AM or FM radio, on cell phone , play with GPS, computer , play with the mp3, eat so on . Fine by me but if you hit some one or brake traffic law you pay the price.

There is a massive fucking difference between having the radio on to holding a cellphone to your ear. There is also a complete difference between all of that and been very drunk or very stoned. Listening to music isn't the problem you tool.

If you drive while being drunk, tired to the point of falling asleep at the wheel, stoned or otherwise concentrated to an unsatisfactory extent (ie you are holding a cellphone to your ear, not looking ahead of you when you should be etc) then frankly, I hope you crash into a tree and your feet are broken so badly that they never heal properly; so you can never drive again; so that you never get the chance to hurt anyone.

Of course, some drivers are naturally terrible ones too, they should also be proportionately reviewed.

[Revy]

This is no bloody joke and never should be .Even conservatives at conservative websites are complaining of rights being removed.

I don't know how you or anyone can be left learning like a communist , socialist or anarchy and not make top news here. The liberal and conservatives at their message boards are starting to conplain too ( so where are people here).

Some times I think revleft is just people who have fetish to communism and not active and don't give dam . Just much of arm chairs here.:(You really need to check out other message boards has even liberals and conservatives are starting to complain it is going to far now.

But they need the push to see the light and that is problem with left today to cought up in crowd of the likes and need to get out debate and talk to liberal and conservatives .

This is no joke at other sites but may be people here may think it is joke here. Look I don't want to sound rude but I believe the world and US is hell and needs revolution ASAP so we don't have 60 old or 70's congressman and senators making more problems than there is.

Keep in mind the people are more left than the government and most times it is the government is passing these crazy laws like they are on crack.

I don't need some government telling me that I need a seat belt or life jaket on boat. It true there needs to be law on driving well having too much to drink or being high on public roads putting others at risk.

Has for banning well talking on a cell phone what is next ban Ipods, mp3 ,AM and FM radio, eating well driving or putting make up on ,talking in car to other people all things that are distraction. Banning does not work people still speed ,DUI , do drugs and and do bad stuf so on.

What I would like is big brother will it should be and allow people do what they like and not ban what you call distraction and if they cause a car crash put them jail for bad driving.

why don't you just fuck off.

You're comparing someone's right to talk on their cell phone while driving being taken away to the rise of fascism.

I'm sure there are worse things to complain about than the nonsense you're rambling on about.

[Bud Struggle]

There is a massive fucking difference between having the radio on to holding a cellphone to your ear. There is also a complete difference between all of that and been very drunk or very stoned. Listening to music isn't the problem you tool.

If you drive while being drunk, tired to the point of falling asleep at the wheel, stoned or concentrated to an unsatisfactory extent (ie you are holding a cellphone to your ear, not looking ahead of you when you should be etc) then frankly, I hope you crash into a tree and your feet are broken so badly that they never heal properly; so you can never drive again; so that you never get the chance to hurt anyone.

I'm amazed.

In an Anarchist society who is going to inforce these driving rules?

[spice756]

There is a massive fucking difference between having the radio on to holding a cellphone to your ear. There is also a complete difference between all of that and been very drunk or very stoned. Listening to music isn't the problem you tool.



Where did I conplain here of a right to be drunk and stoned and drive? Please show me my post here of conplaining of a right to be drunk or stoned and drive? I'm really looking for my post conplaining to be high or drunk and drive.

On side note did laws on DUI stop people from driving well drunk or intox?







If you drive while being drunk, tired to the point of falling asleep at the wheel, stoned or otherwise concentrated to an unsatisfactory extent (ie you are holding a cellphone to your ear, not looking ahead of you when you should be etc) then frankly, I hope you crash into a tree and your feet are broken so badly that they never heal properly; so you can never drive again; so that you never get the chance to hurt anyone.

Of course, some drivers are naturally terrible ones too, they should also be proportionately reviewed.


No I'm talking about things that distract you playing with your AM or FM radio, looking at map, reading the paper or what ever ,computer in your car,GPS ,cell phone ,MP3 so on. All you going to ban all thing that distract you .

And to some it up I don't give f-uck about the cell phone law I will do has please.

sure if you or I hid some one or brake a traffic law you should go to jail or have car taken way. I don't know about you but I was born in free civial country not some dirt bag country .






why don't you just fuck off.

You're comparing someone's right to talk on their cell phone while driving being taken away to the rise of fascism.

I'm sure there are worse things to complain about than the nonsense you're rambling on about.



What are you talking about ? I'm all for rights in fact you not a communist or anarchist if you not.There is big difference playing with AM or FM radio , on cell phone ,eating ,playing GPS ,MP3 ,looking map and so on and braking traffic law or crashing a car.If you bad driver or get so glued to the so called what ever that may be you brake a traffic law or hit some one you should be put in jail for month or not drive at all.

If I'm walking to school or work and reading book and cross a street and car hits me than should books be ban well welking.

sorry but the government is not your mom or dad you take full responsibility for all your action in life. If I go on a boat and no life jaket and drown that is my doing not the government to be mon or dad and say ROB or Mike you too inmature and by law have to have a dam life jaket on all the time ona boat.

What are you going to do ban junk food next cause you are too inmature .If you eat junk food and get big and fat and die that is your doing not the government to be your mom and dad.

And for some reason humnas do not have the smarts that banning does not even work but is money thing for the courts.

Do you even know that street gangs buy a gun of the street and I can go in gang area and buy a gun of a gang member with out registoring my gun.Do you think if I'm going do robbery , B&E or home invation that I'm going to use my gun or care if guns are illegal or not. The people in government are getting more retarted has the day go on.


This country the army guys died in ww1 and ww2 so you have freedom and with out government being mon and dad .

[amandevsingh]

You do not drive without a seatbelt on, nor do smoke whilst driving. Both these endanger other people, you can die for all I care, but don't take Comrades with you.

/P.A.R.T.Y. Program induced speech

[AK]

The OP is right about all of this, doing whatever you want and having choices is freedom. And that is one of the basics of any Communist/Anarchist society. But there is a fine line between freedom and endangering other people's lives with irresponsible acts and I think he needs to learn that.

[spice756]

What I would like the goverment do is not ban stuff but if you brake traffic law or hit some one well playing with AM or FM radio ,eating , on cell phone or GPS ,map or reading so on you pay price like jail time or you cannot drive for 5 years or life.

Or at the least if you get stop by the cops 3 times for talking on cell phone well driving and braking a traffic law than you should be ban for life of talking cell phone well driving .

I'm sorry but some people are just bad drivers. Than we should ban police ,fire or EMS of using cell phone ,talking on radio or looking computer or map well driving. Just because they have training on how to drive and are a better driver than most people. they can do it .Have you even worked in office where you on phone and on a compter .With most high in stressful jobs soing 5 or 7 things at same time these days.


You do not drive without a seatbelt on, nor do smoke whilst driving. Both these endanger other people, you can die for all I care, but don't take Comrades with you.

I do wear one but I should have right to choose.

[danyboy27]

What I would like the goverment do is not ban stuff but if you brake traffic law or hit some one well playing with AM or FM radio ,eating , on cell phone or GPS ,map or reading so on you pay price like jail time or you cannot drive for 5 years or life.

Or at the least if you get stop by the cops 3 times for talking on cell phone well driving and braking a traffic law than you should be ban for life of talking cell phone well driving .

I'm sorry but some people are just bad drivers. Than we should ban police ,fire or EMS of using cell phone ,talking on radio or looking computer or map well driving. Just because they have training on how to drive and are a better driver than most people. they can do it .Have you even worked in office where you on phone and on a compter .With most high in stressful jobs soing 5 or 7 things at same time these days.



I do wear one but I should have right to choose.

its been scientificly proven that those kind of distraction extremely increase the risk of accident, it have nothing to do with the driver skill.

just by going 5km/h over the limit is enough to increase the risk of accident by 10 time.

[spice756]

Well any thing can be distraction but really if you wanted to be best driver you need 100% looking where you driving.

Are you going play xbox or play station 3 speding very fest and watch Tv or be on cell phone no that is distraction .

In is is thought on modern liberals and conservaives today to ban just about any thing that is bad for you and well banning of guns and junk food is matter of time.

The reason why the conservatives are NOT junping up and down on banning guns is the founding fathers of the right to have guns.So the conservatives take has stab of the liberals .

Look at the video game grand theft auto the liberals and conservaives junping up and down on what to do with it.

Other than that modern liberals and conservaives are same among those lines.


This is modern liberals and conservaives way of thought to ban stuff and be your mom and dad than the responsibility theory of libertarians that you pay for your action .

[Kwisatz Haderach]

Not every restriction of privacy or authoritarian measure is a sign of "fascism".

Seriously, please don't use the term "fascist" as a synonym for "authoritarian" - or, even worse, "anything I don't like". Fascism is a very specific historical phenomenon that arises as a last-resort reactionary attempt to prevent a workers' revolution.

[spice756]

Not every restriction of privacy or authoritarian measure is a sign of "fascism".

Seriously, please don't use the term "fascist" as a synonym for "authoritarian" - or, even worse, "anything I don't like". Fascism is a very specific historical phenomenon that arises as a last-resort reactionary attempt to prevent a workers' revolution.

Well they got those ideas from communist states and fascist states. The founding fathers where very much anti goverment control of any thing .

About only thing that really had control was the church back than .

[danyboy27]

Well they got those ideas from communist states and fascist states. The founding fathers where very much anti goverment control of any thing .

About only thing that really had control was the church back than .

they got those idea with scientific studies who proved that thoses things where risky and dangerous for the people on the road.

[Kwisatz Haderach]

Well they got those ideas from communist states and fascist states.
Uh, no. Authoritarian government (http://www.cybertraveltips.com/images/Ancient-Egypt-Pyramids.jpg) was not invented in the 20th century.


The founding fathers where very much anti goverment control of any thing.
Huh? Canada had "founding fathers"?

[spice756]

they got those idea with scientific studies who proved that thoses things where risky and dangerous for the people on the road.

No the idea for goverment to ban or control stuff came from communist states and fascist states .Go back in time befere 1920 and this was not the case .

The founding fathers would not allow this to happen.Any study is a intrest group who does study for set number people for x number of time.I have seen study that pro marijuana and others anti-marijuana. A study is nothing . A study over 50 or 100 years by many people is fact.

Any thing can be manipulated.I'm sure when study comes out 5% car crashes are do to GPS or looking at map that will be ban too.

Anyways we losing the scoop what this thread is NOT about cell phones and driving but the mentality of modern liberals and conservaives .That this will not stop and is new wave to come. In the next 5 or 10 years GPS ,junk food ,mp3 so on will be ban.

The founding fathers would sh-it their pants that law that all people need to have seat belt on ,life jaket on in boat ,ban guns ,ban drugs and more so marijuana , eve talk about grand theft auto , the CRTC so on.

[Kwisatz Haderach]

No the idea for goverment to ban or control stuff came from communist states and fascist states .Go back in time befere 1920 and this was not the case.
No government ever banned or controlled things before 1920...??? You need to study a bit more history if you seriously believe that.

[spice756]

Welll capitalism is new has the only other control way back in time was the church and king .

Remove the church ,king and communist states and fascist states you would have no control.

[Revy]

These rules are in place for safety. You're driving in a car to go someplace, not to be entertained. A lot of people text while driving which is very dangerous because they're not even looking at the damn road. they might as well be driving while asleep.

[spice756]

No government ever banned or controlled things before 1920...??? You need to study a bit more history if you seriously believe that.

I don't think you can count dictators and war lords in Africa has such .The US and Canada does not have history or problems like Africa or Asia to have that control.

Keep in mind in the old days the church had major control .But in this thread we are talking about the founding fathers in the US and Canada.

[spice756]

These rules are in place for safety. You're driving in a car to go someplace, not to be entertained. A lot of people text while driving which is very dangerous because they're not even looking at the damn road. they might as well be driving while asleep.

No it is not up to you .If there is a cop and they are braking the traffic law the cop can put them jail or take their car away that was what this country was built on.

If I where a cop I would have no problem putting them jail if they brake traffic law .

Ths country was not built on goverment to ban this and ban this do to immature people.And this would not be a problem in anarchy or communist sociaty.

They do not ban stuff in a anarchy or communist sociaty.

We don't need big goverment to ban grand theft auto and GPS and junk food next or guns.

You take responsibility for you action.

[hefty_lefty]

I feel compelled to tell you, Spice, that you don't appear to think before you speak.
You repeat the same things as if you believe that you have truly found the main problem with society.
Restrictions, rules and laws are there to protect responsible citizens from idiots like you.

You talk about the right to drive while texting, talking on phone etc, and really what you are saying is that you have the right to endanger the lives of others as long as you pay the 'price'.
The freedom to kill...that's all fine until the person that gets plowed into by a dude eating a big mac and sexting with his chick is you.
Then you will be singing a different tune, though you won't admit it here.
That's ok...your brain just doesn't work too good, it happens.

[danyboy27]

I feel compelled to tell you, Spice, that you don't appear to think before you speak.
You repeat the same things as if you believe that you have truly found the main problem with society.
Restrictions, rules and laws are there to protect responsible citizens from idiots like you.

You talk about the right to drive while texting, talking on phone etc, and really what you are saying is that you have the right to endanger the lives of others as long as you pay the 'price'.
The freedom to kill...that's all fine until the person that gets plowed into by a dude eating a big mac and sexting with his chick is you.
Then you will be singing a different tune, though you won't admit it here.
That's ok...your brain just doesn't work too good, it happens.

his first language is not english btw, so it might explain why he got problem expressing.

[mykittyhasaboner]

Spice756: go learn some history.

[spice756]

I feel compelled to tell you, Spice, that you don't appear to think before you speak.
You repeat the same things as if you believe that you have truly found the main problem with society.
Restrictions, rules and laws are there to protect responsible citizens from idiots like you.

You talk about the right to drive while texting, talking on phone etc, and really what you are saying is that you have the right to endanger the lives of others as long as you pay the 'price'.
The freedom to kill...that's all fine until the person that gets plowed into by a dude eating a big mac and sexting with his chick is you.
Then you will be singing a different tune, though you won't admit it here.
That's ok...your brain just doesn't work too good, it happens.

No you cannot be left learning and want ban stuff that is reactionary.

Do anyone here support ban on violent video games or movies ? Or ban on guns or junk food?

You think banning stuff will fix all probelms ?

Is this left site or just fetish to communism? Do people go to conservatuve web sites and debate or go out in public and active ?

I mean I'm shocked that conservative web sites this is more news that at left web site here. I will sure you some youtube clips later on of conservative giving cops a hard time over the police state and ID thing .

I mean it seems conservatives are starting to be more active than the left when comes things like these.

[hefty_lefty]

Think about what it is you do to help create freedoms for other people and then let us know what they are, I am very curious.

[spice756]

Spice756: go learn some history.


Can you or some one here elaborate on the history you think I got wrong?


his first language is not english btw, so it might explain why he got problem expressing.

No I think they are mocking me here more than any thing else do to this thread.

http://www.revleft.com/vb/state-goodi-t88138/index3.html?t=88138&page=3

Amd other thread I will dig up..
on police court good or bad

No police ,no court ,no prison , no state = no law .

Well it is funny anarchy is anti- law and for freedom but not the case here in this thread. I don't know any left person that has these reactionary views wich tells me they mocking me here. Or any anarchy and communist that for police , court , prison and state .

[spice756]

Think about what it is you do to help create freedoms for other people and then let us know what they are, I am very curious.

Aswer this and I will reply.

Do anyone here support ban on violent video games or movies ? Or ban on guns or junk food?

You think banning stuff will fix all probelms ?

()() so you support ban on drugs and law that everyone needs a seat belt and life jaket.()()

[Revy]

You're the one trolling here. You're constantly saying that people on RevLeft are "making a fetish of communism" and not doing anything in the real world. That's an awful assumption to make just because people aren't supporting your insane rants on fascist seatbelt laws.

[spice756]

You're the one trolling here. You're constantly saying that people on RevLeft are "making a fetish of communism" and not doing anything in the real world. That's an awful assumption to make just because people aren't supporting your insane rants on fascist seatbelt laws.

What ever man .I'm the one trying to have intelligent thread and you the one having pissing contest here trying to start a big flame war here.

I''m just say that communism and anarchy is about freedom and rights and there is no state.

Please reply to.
Do anyone here support ban on violent video games or movies ? Or ban on guns or junk food?

You think banning stuff will fix all probelms ?

()() so you support ban on drugs and law that everyone needs a seat belt and life jaket.()()



That's an awful assumption to make just because people aren't supporting your insane rants on fascist seatbelt


No I'm making that assumption because there is little talk here on this subject and if conservatives are talking about it there is some thing wrong.

Look I don't want to sound rude but these are reactionary things.

[Comrade B]

It's a slippery slope.

Slippery slope.

It's interesting to see how much you Communists like your "rules for living."

You really think that before the Nazis decided to "clean" their genepool, they said "Oh wait! Before we can get that done, we really need to stop people from drunk driving!"

This entire post makes me sick.
You are far understating the atrocities of fascists throughout history.


YES I support fining people for not wearing seat belts, texting while driving, a bonus penalty for crashing while driving, driving while clearly intoxicated, driving after sleep deprivation, and anything that unneccissarily endangers peoples' lives with no benefits.

The recurrent arguments about drugs are the bane of serious leftists. Whenever I am discussing politics with someone, and the major problem they see in the world are drugs being illegal (not necessarily the population in prison either, it tends to be for selfish reasons) I lose a massive amount of respect for them. This feels worse for me.

Here are some real topics.
The coup in Honduras
US pressure on the Afghan elections
Iranian Nuclear Power (which could actually have a discussion here, do nuclear capabilities make the world safer or more dangerous?)
Treatment of the Uighur population in China
Health Care
Oppression of the Palestinians

Even Radovan Karadzic's trail pushes it, because I am quite sure everyone here will just yell "KILL" when they hear his name.

All of these topics have much much of a greater impact on people worldwide... than getting high... or driving fucked up...

I don't have a grudge against drugs, I have taken my fair share as well, I just don't think it is the most important issue in the world right now.

[Bud Struggle]

You really think that before the Nazis decided to "clean" their genepool, they said "Oh wait! Before we can get that done, we really need to stop people from drunk driving!"

This entire post makes me sick.
You are far understating the atrocities of fascists throughout history. I think it's pretty much been established that "Nazi" was a poor choice of a word to mean something authoritarian going on in society.




The recurrent arguments about drugs are the bane of serious leftists. Whenever I am discussing politics with someone, and the major problem they see in the world are drugs being illegal (not necessarily the population in prison either, it tends to be for selfish reasons) I lose a massive amount of respect for them. This feels worse for me. Well that's all fine, but drugs are and have been both a political and personal concern the world over for the longest time. It's a matter that will be discussed long into the future.


Here are some real topics.
The coup in Honduras
US pressure on the Afghan elections
Iranian Nuclear Power (which could actually have a discussion here, do nuclear capabilities make the world safer or more dangerous?)
Treatment of the Uighur population in China
Health Care
Oppression of the Palestinians And these topics aren't being discussed?


All of these topics have much much of a greater impact on people worldwide... than getting high... or driving fucked up...

I don't have a grudge against drugs, I have taken my fair share as well, I just don't think it is the most important issue in the world right now. Anyway the issue really isn't drugs at all--it's what a post Revolutionary society will look like. It's a matter of both concern and curiosity to anyone interested in Revolutionary politics because Marx was particularly closed mouthed about the subject and because attempts at Marxism in the past often lead to somewhat oppressive governments.

I think with some dissussion and planning and even argument about what the future will look like we can avoid some of the mistakes of the past and maybe do Revolution the right way if and when the world waxes again in favor of Communism.

[Comrade B]

I think it's pretty much been established that "Nazi" was a poor choice of a word to mean something authoritarian going on in society.
You were responding to a statement about my great granduncle being murdered by the Nazis.


It's a matter that will be discussed long into the future.
To my great disappointment.
I stand for legalization, I just think that it isn't the biggest issue out there right now.


And these topics aren't being discussed?
Are we presently taking part in their discussion?
When discussing politics off of the internet, these come up much less often. Let us just leave them there. This website is an good tool, and using it for such horribly boring and repetitive conversations is a misuse of a good opportunity. I sincerely hope that if you could have a 5 minute conversation with the president, it would be about something other than drugs.


Anyway the issue really isn't drugs at all--it's what a post Revolutionary society will look like. It's a matter of both concern and curiosity to anyone interested in Revolutionary politics because Marx was particularly closed mouthed about the subject and because attempts at Marxism in the past often lead to somewhat oppressive governments.

This is a better topic for conversation. Also, it does not shout misstatements about fascism in Canada. A discussion about forced security could be interesting, but lets not just not be silly about it using terms like fascist to describe laws prohibiting using a cellphone while driving.

[Bud Struggle]

You were responding to a statement about my great granduncle being murdered by the Nazis.

No I wasn't. I am sorry for your loss, but I'm Polish, both parents came over from Poland before WWII and three of my grandparents died during the war. We're Catholic, not Jewish so it wasn't just a racial thing. My mother hated Hitler and Stalin till the day she died. I had no intention of causing you any suffering over my remarks.



To my great disappointment.
I stand for legalization, I just think that it isn't the biggest issue out there right now. I agree.



Are we presently taking part in their discussion?
When discussing politics off of the internet, these come up much less often. Let us just leave them there. This website is an good tool, and using it for such horribly boring and repetitive conversations is a misuse of a good opportunity. I sincerely hope that if you could have a 5 minute conversation with the president, it would be about something other than drugs. We should discuss everything and anything. I personally dislike the idea of you or anyone else setting priorities about what is more important or less important for the general populace to discuss. It should be all open discussion.



This is a better topic for conversation. Also, it does not shout misstatements about fascism in Canada. A discussion about forced security could be interesting, but lets not just not be silly about it using terms like fascist to describe laws prohibiting using a cellphone while driving. Fascism was a stupid term to use in this context. I agree.

[spice756]

I agree with librarian and some conseravtives on the responsibility theory and fredom rights part.


One thing in 1800's the US was very librarian free-market , small goverment ,no social programs like welfare ,social security, government housing ,free education and state run free healthcare so on.They also hated the goverment to tell people what to do and control things.The 20's and 30's change that has liberals and conservatives got ideas from fascist state and communist state.

The librarian had what was called a responsibility theory that people do crime for there action. Modern liberals and Conservatives have taken on pro-crime and state that makes people responsable. All what those fascist state and communist state where doing.


A pro-crime and state that makes people responsable where do things like this.

1.If there where lots people eating bad food and making them sick the state would ban the food.
2.If people where playing violent video game or watching movies that are violent they would try to curb the violence or ban it.
3.If there where people dressing like thugs doing crime they would ban thug clothing.
4.If there where people talking on cell phone or playing GPS they would ban this too well driving.
5.If people smoking in public and they think teens will smoke they would ban smoking in pulic.
6.If people where shooting other people or doing crime and have gun they would ban guns too or try to curn it.
7.If alot of teens getting high they ban that too.


The fascist state and communist state try to make what is called group law so everyone is what called a group responsibility .They try not to look at what is going on but try to change cause so the out come is different.

The librarian and some conservatives have responsibility theory you take full responsibility and pay for your action. The fascist state and communist state try to ban and control things to make group responsibility .

Sorry but that was what happen in those fascist state and communist state .The communist today seem to be more concern of destroying capitalism and just want to talk about workers pay in factries and workers relationship and capalist and little involvement of civil liberties rights and other things :mad:mostly it is intrest groups like end the drug war now ,civil liberties movment , womens rights , police abuse so on than communist who speak out and are active on those fronts .

Has communist spend more time reading communist menfasto and about capitalism than talking about those other things .

Well capitalism is to new and only control have been fascist state and communist state and liberals and conservatives all no more than 100 years old .Well librarian was really before 20's.Go back in time 1890 and say fascist state and communist state or liberal party and conservatives party they would look you strange.Well liberals and conservatives are 20's invetion and most got indea from fascist state and communist stare .

Before that the only control was the king and the church.

[hefty_lefty]

Spice, a true communist state hasn't yet been achieved so let's stop talking about communism as though it has.
Communism doesn't do these things you speak of, it's people's ambition, desire, and dilusions that twist the face of communism into something ugly and unnatural.
Don't say communism does this and that...it's like saying it was the phone's fault that you ran over your neighbours cat while driving, but actually it was your fault for using the phone inappropriately.

I am against banning, but not if it is in the best interest of the majority, and by the looks of it here, it is.