The Call for a New Anti-Capitalist Party (UK)

[The Idler]

The Call for a New Anti-Capitalist Party (http://anticapitalistparty.org.uk), is it a League for a Fifth International/Worker's Power/Revo front organisation?

[h0m0revolutionary]

Yeah it is.

Between this, Campaign for a New Workers Party and RESPECT, the left looks like a bunch of fucking idiots.

[Holden Caulfield]

the left needs a united anticapitalist alternative or it needs to get accustomed to living in a ghetto

[Pogue]

the left needs a united anticapitalist alternative or it needs to get accustomed to living in a ghetto

yeh, full steam ahead labour party version two ey, maybe we'll just get lucky this time and everything we know about the end results of parliamentary politics will be proven to be false!

[bricolage]

Yeah it is.

Between this, Campaign for a New Workers Party and RESPECT, the left looks like a bunch of fucking idiots.

Don't the CPGB have a campaign for a Marxist party as well? And the SWP made that call for an united electoral front or something like that. I tell you it's hard to keep up sometimes...

[h0m0revolutionary]

Don't the CPGB have a campaign for a Marxist party as well? And the SWP made that call for an united electoral front or something like that. I tell you it's hard to keep up sometimes...

Nah CMP dissolved late last year, what a shame :P

And SWP and their left list bollocks seem to have faded too. They've tried everything they can recently to try not to call for a Labour vote in the next general election, but I imagine they've left it much too late for anything but..

Of course if CNWP, Respect or NACP don't do it for you, you could always wait to see what comes from the Stalinists of the CPB and their allies in the RMT burerucracy ;)

[The Idler]

Yeah it is.

Between this, Campaign for a New Workers Party and RESPECT, the left looks like a bunch of fucking idiots.
Isn't a bit disingenuous to have a front (Left List, CNWP, NACP) which suggests there isn't an existing party (SWP, SPEW, Workers Power) pulling the strings behind it? Seriously, this tactic is getting old.

[Revy]

Building a new revolutionary, anti-capitalist party is a good goal. However, if this is just another CNWP rehash then all I have to say is "meh".

The working class does NOT need a New Old Labour!

[*Viva La Revolucion*]

My first thought when I read this was ''not another one''. There are so many different groups within the left and every new party just ends up the same as the rest.

[Crux]

Building a new revolutionary, anti-capitalist party is a good goal. However, if this is just another CNWP rehash then all I have to say is "meh".

The working class does NOT need a New Old Labour!
We are not calling for a new Old Labour. As for this campaign, can't say I am very impressed, yet, but hey this might create a new regroupment at least. Like the name though. FYI Worker's Poewer used to be a part of the Campaign For A New Worker's Party but left when CNWP voted to support the Lindsey Oil Refinery strikes.

[Pogue]

I think a new union confederation based upon a democratic structure to avoid the establishment of a beurecracy which advocates independent working class positions would be more exciting to be honest.

[Crux]

According to their website:


Activists from the Socialist Workers Party, Socialist Party, Workers Power, Socialist Resistance, the Alliance for Workers Liberty and the youth group REVOLUTION have also signed up.

You can too.

If you think New Labour is for the bosses, not the workers
If you think Labour’s given £1.5 trillion to banks and is trying to make workers pay the price
If you think our unions should stop paying millions to fund Brown’s bosses’ party
If you think it’s time for the socialist organisations and the fighting unions to unite in a new party
Then you should sign the Call for a New Anticapitalist Party today.


Pogue: Why would the struggle for democratic unions be a separate demand?

[Crux]

Actually judging from the facebook site it seems more like an IBT front than anything else. Anyway I might be wrong, and The Call on their website is something that could easily be merged into the CNWP campaign, for one thing.

[Die Neue Zeit]

I for one prefer a European Left-affiliated party, whether that party is a bourgeois workers' party or a proletarian-not-necessarily-communist party.

It's ashame the CPB is too steeped in British nationalism, when it could use the help of EUL-NGL colleagues like Lothar Bisky, who aren't so reliant on tred-iunionizm.


Don't the CPGB have a campaign for a Marxist party as well?

The CMP dissolved last year, as h0m0revolutionary said above. However, like HOPI, it wasn't a CPGB front, since other groups participated.

[Radical]

Old and New Labour was NEVER for the workers anyway.

Please read "Social Democracy: An enemy from within" by Harpal Brar

[Pogue]

According to their website:


Pogue: Why would the struggle for democratic unions be a separate demand?

Well as the working class we don't have political power, theres no point trying to build what we dont have, we do however have economic power, so we should build here, create a genuine confederation of the working class at work affiliated to community organisation, genuine working class ones, so we have power where we actually have it, emphasising self organisation and direct action. Such a situation can create organs that will be natural homes for working class people where they put forward political demands relevant to themselves.

I think a workers party is doomed to fialure whatever form it takes, I'm more interested in building organs whcih let working class people exercise power in their everyday lives - work and the community.

[Wanted Man]

LOL, every group in the UK is campaigning for its own new "workers" or "anti-capitalist" party. It's pretty hilarious, because they all have this air about them like: "Unlike all those useless sects, we want to build a true mass party!" Well duh, nobody would openly say: "We don't want a workers' party, we want to stay irrelevant sects forever."

[Pogue]

LOL, every group in the UK is campaigning for its own new "workers" or "anti-capitalist" party. It's pretty hilarious, because they all have this air about them like: "Unlike all those useless sects, we want to build a true mass party!" Well duh, nobody would openly say: "We don't want a workers' party, we want to stay irrelevant sects forever."

its insane, it really is.

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

Ah, the British left. I find it personally embarassing.

I refuse to have anything to do with these parties who seem to enjoy sectarianism for sectarianist ends, as opposed to supporting the fact that sectarianism (in theory) breeds debate and dialogue.

Is the CPB Stalinist? I know all about the CPGB(ML) and its variations (CPGB, CPGB[PCC], NCP etc.), but I was of the understanding that the CPB was actually a Labour-supporting party that was now ideologically confused between going down the revolutionary or reformist path.

[h0m0revolutionary]

Is the CPB Stalinist? I know all about the CPGB(ML) and its variations (CPGB, CPGB[PCC], NCP etc.), but I was of the understanding that the CPB was actually a Labour-supporting party that was now ideologically confused between going down the revolutionary or reformist path.

That's a good question. They're called Stalinist because they have all the trade marks of contemporary Stalinism.
- Reformist path (Re: their document 'British Road to Socialism'
- Reformist programme (doesn't mention communism)
- Support for state capitalism abroad - China, Cuba etc.
- Focus on domestic policy, to the point of excluding internationalism from their agenda.

I don't think there is any confusion of their path of reformism. They have no plans as far as I can see to distance themselves from a Parliamentary Road to Socialism (as they put it). There is debate and in-fighting at the moment regarding their stance on Labour. The two identifiable currents are 1) those who want to carry on supporting New Labour (because of the Toriez!!!) and 2) those who want to set up another 'Workers' Party with the aid of Bob Crow and the RMT Union bureaucracy.

[Die Neue Zeit]

LOL, every group in the UK is campaigning for its own new "workers" or "anti-capitalist" party. It's pretty hilarious, because they all have this air about them like: "Unlike all those useless sects, we want to build a true mass party!" Well duh, nobody would openly say: "We don't want a workers' party, we want to stay irrelevant sects forever."

I know you don't like the modern CPGB and have derided the title of its newspaper, but the main point of the organization's "propagandism" is to make the current left groups recognize their economistic follies and band together on a solid and explicitly political program.

[The Ungovernable Farce]

Ah, the British left. I find it personally embarassing.

I refuse to have anything to do with these parties who seem to enjoy sectarianism for sectarianist ends, as opposed to supporting the fact that sectarianism (in theory) breeds debate and dialogue.

Is the CPB Stalinist? I know all about the CPGB(ML) and its variations (CPGB, CPGB[PCC], NCP etc.), but I was of the understanding that the CPB was actually a Labour-supporting party that was now ideologically confused between going down the revolutionary or reformist path.
As homo says, they're probably best categorised as belonging to the Eurocommunist tendency of Stalinism. But if you read the Morning Star, you can still find traces of its Stalinism. I think they still defend Chinese imperialism, and they'll sometimes have adverts for stunningly mad groups like the Slobodan Milosevic defence campaign. They may be totally tame at home, but I think they're still happy to support Stalinist barbarism abroad.