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1st November 2009, 03:26
The heart of India is under attack

To justify enforcing a corporate land grab, the state needs an enemy – and it has chosen the Maoists



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The low, flat-topped hills of south Orissa have been home to the Dongria Kondh long before there was a country called India or a state called Orissa. The hills watched over the Kondh. The Kondh watched over the hills and worshipped them as living deities. Now these hills have been sold for the bauxite they contain (http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009/oct/12/vedanta-versus-the-villagers). For the Kondh it's as though god had been sold. They ask how much god would go for if the god were Ram or Allah or Jesus Christ.


Perhaps the Kondh are supposed to be grateful that their Niyamgiri hill, home to their Niyam Raja, God of Universal Law, has been sold to a company with a name like Vedanta (the branch of Hindu philosophy that teaches the Ultimate Nature of Knowledge). It's one of the biggest mining corporations in the world and is owned by Anil Agarwal, the Indian billionaire who lives in London in a mansion that once belonged to the Shah of Iran. Vedanta is only one of the many multinational corporations closing in on Orissa.


If the flat-topped hills are destroyed, the forests that clothe them will be destroyed, too. So will the rivers and streams that flow out of them and irrigate the plains below. So will the Dongria Kondh. So will the hundreds of thousands of tribal people who live in the forested heart of India, and whose homeland is similarly under attack.


In our smoky, crowded cities, some people say, "So what? Someone has to pay the price of progress." Some even say, "Let's face it, these are people whose time has come. Look at any developed country – Europe, the US, Australia – they all have a 'past'." Indeed they do. So why shouldn't "we"?
In keeping with this line of thought, the government has announced Operation Green Hunt, a war purportedly against the "Maoist" rebels headquartered in the jungles of central India. Of course, the Maoists are by no means the only ones rebelling. There is a whole spectrum of struggles all over the country that people are engaged in–the landless, the Dalits, the homeless, workers, peasants, weavers. They're pitted against a juggernaut of injustices, including policies that allow a wholesale corporate takeover of people's land and resources. However, it is the Maoists that the government has singled out as being the biggest threat.


Two years ago, when things were nowhere near as bad as they are now, the prime minister described the Maoists as the "single largest internal security threat" to the country. This will probably go down as the most popular and often repeated thing he ever said. For some reason, the comment he made on 6 January, 2009, at a meeting of state chief ministers, when he described the Maoists as having only "modest capabilities", doesn't seem to have had the same raw appeal. He revealed his government's real concern on 18 June, 2009, when he told parliament: "If left-wing extremism continues to flourish in parts which have natural resources of minerals, the climate for investment would certainly be affected."


Who are the Maoists? They are members of the banned Communist party of India (Maoist) – CPI (Maoist) – one of the several descendants of the Communist Party of India (Marxist-Leninist), which led the 1969 Naxalite uprising (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naxalite) and was subsequently liquidated by the Indian government. The Maoists believe that the innate, structural inequality of Indian society can only be redressed by the violent overthrow of the Indian state. In its earlier avatars as the Maoist Communist Centre (MCC) in Jharkhand and Bihar, and the People's War Group (PWG) in Andhra Pradesh, the Maoists had tremendous popular support. (When the ban on them was briefly lifted in 2004, 1.5 million people attended their rally in Warangal.)


But eventually their intercession in Andhra Pradesh ended badly. They left a violent legacy that turned some of their staunchest supporters into harsh critics. After a paroxysm of killing and counter-killing by the Andhra police as well as the Maoists, the PWG was decimated. Those who managed to survive fled Andhra Pradesh into neighbouring Chhattisgarh. There, deep in the heart of the forest, they joined colleagues who had already been working there for decades.


Not many "outsiders" have any first-hand experience of the real nature of the Maoist movement in the forest. A recent interview with one of its top leaders, Comrade Ganapathy, in Open magazine, didn't do much to change the minds of those who view the Maoists as a party with an unforgiving, totalitarian vision, which countenances no dissent whatsoever. Comrade Ganapathy said nothing that would persuade people that, were the Maoists ever to come to power, they would be equipped to properly address the almost insane diversity of India's caste-ridden society. His casual approval of the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE) of Sri Lanka was enough to send a shiver down even the most sympathetic of spines, not just because of the brutal ways in which the LTTE chose to wage its war, but also because of the cataclysmic tragedy that has befallen the Tamil people of Sri Lanka, who it claimed to represent, and for whom it surely must take some responsibility.


Right now in central India, the Maoists' guerrilla army is made up almost entirely of desperately poor tribal people living in conditions of such chronic hunger that it verges on famine of the kind we only associate with sub-Saharan Africa. They are people who, even after 60 years of India's so-called independence, have not had access to education, healthcare or legal redress. They are people who have been mercilessly exploited for decades, consistently cheated by small businessmen and moneylenders, the women raped as a matter of right by police and forest department personnel. Their journey back to a semblance of dignity is due in large part to the Maoist cadre who have lived and worked and fought by their side for decades.


If the tribals have taken up arms, they have done so because a government which has given them nothing but violence and neglect now wants to snatch away the last thing they have – their land. Clearly, they do not believe the government when it says it only wants to "develop" their region. Clearly, they do not believe that the roads as wide and flat as aircraft runways that are being built through their forests in Dantewada by the National Mineral Development Corporation are being built for them to walk their children to school on. They believe that if they do not fight for their land, they will be annihilated. That is why they have taken up arms.
Even if the ideologues of the Maoist movement are fighting to eventually overthrow the Indian state, right now even they know that their ragged, malnutritioned army, the bulk of whose soldiers have never seen a train or a bus or even a small town, are fighting only for survival.


In 2008, an expert group appointed by the Planning Commission submitted a report called "Development Challenges in Extremist-Affected Areas". It said, "the Naxalite (Maoist) movement has to be recognised as a political movement with a strong base among the landless and poor peasantry and adivasis. Its emergence and growth need to be contextualised in the social conditions and experience of people who form a part of it. The huge gap between state policy and performance is a feature of these conditions. Though its professed long-term ideology is capturing state power by force, in its day-to-day manifestation, it is to be looked upon as basically a fight for social justice, equality, protection, security and local development." A very far cry from the "single-largest internal security threat".


Since the Maoist rebellion is the flavour of the week, everybody, from the sleekest fat cat to the most cynical editor of the most sold-out newspaper in this country, seems to be suddenly ready to concede that it is decades of accumulated injustice that lies at the root of the problem. But instead of addressing that problem, which would mean putting the brakes on this 21st-century gold rush, they are trying to head the debate off in a completely different direction, with a noisy outburst of pious outrage about Maoist "terrorism". But they're only speaking to themselves.




The people who have taken to arms are not spending all their time watching (or performing for) TV, or reading the papers, or conducting SMS polls for the Moral Science question of the day: Is Violence Good or Bad? SMS your reply to ... They're out there. They're fighting. They believe they have the right to defend their homes and their land. They believe that they deserve justice.


In order to keep its better-off citizens absolutely safe from these dangerous people, the government has declared war on them. A war, which it tells us, may take between three and five years to win. Odd, isn't it, that even after the Mumbai attacks of 26/11, the government was prepared to talk with Pakistan? It's prepared to talk to China. But when it comes to waging war against the poor, it's playing hard.


It's not enough that special police with totemic names like Greyhounds, Cobras and Scorpions are scouring the forests with a licence to kill. It's not enough that the Central Reserve Police Force (CRPF), the Border Security Force (BSF) and the notorious Naga Battalion have already wreaked havoc and committed unconscionable atrocities in remote forest villages. It's not enough that the government supports and arms the Salwa Judum, the "people's militia" that has killed and raped and burned its way through the forests of Dantewada leaving 300,000 people homeless or on the run. Now the government is going to deploy the Indo-Tibetan border police and tens of thousands of paramilitary troops. It plans to set up a brigade headquarters in Bilaspur (which will displace nine villages) and an air base in Rajnandgaon (which will displace seven). Obviously, these decisions were taken a while ago. Surveys have been done, sites chosen. Interesting. War has been in the offing for a while. And now the helicopters of the Indian air force have been given the right to fire in "self-defence", the very right that the government denies its poorest citizens.


Fire at whom? How will the security forces be able to distinguish a Maoist from an ordinary person who is running terrified through the jungle? Will adivasis carrying the bows and arrows they have carried for centuries now count as Maoists too? Are non-combatant Maoist sympathisers valid targets? When I was in Dantewada, the superintendent of police showed me pictures of 19 "Maoists" that "his boys" had killed. I asked him how I was supposed to tell they were Maoists. He said, "See Ma'am, they have malaria medicines, Dettol bottles, all these things from outside."


What kind of war is Operation Green Hunt going to be? Will we ever know? Not much news comes out of the forests. Lalgarh in West Bengal has been cordoned off. Those who try to go in are being beaten and arrested. And called Maoists, of course. In Dantewada, the Vanvasi Chetana Ashram, a Gandhian ashram run by Himanshu Kumar, was bulldozed in a few hours. It was the last neutral outpost before the war zone begins, a place where journalists, activists, researchers and fact-finding teams could stay while they worked in the area.


Meanwhile, the Indian establishment has unleashed its most potent weapon. Almost overnight, our embedded media has substituted its steady supply of planted, unsubstantiated, hysterical stories about "Islamist terrorism" with planted, unsubstantiated, hysterical stories about "Red terrorism". In the midst of this racket, at ground zero, the cordon of silence is being inexorably tightened. The "Sri Lanka solution" could very well be on the cards. It's not for nothing that the Indian government blocked a European move in the UN asking for an international probe into war crimes committed by the government of Sri Lanka in its recent offensive against the Tamil Tigers.


The first move in that direction is the concerted campaign that has been orchestrated to shoehorn the myriad forms of resistance taking place in this country into a simple George Bush binary: If you are not with us, you are with the Maoists. The deliberate exaggeration of the Maoist "threat" helps the state justify militarisation. (And surely does no harm to the Maoists. Which political party would be unhappy to be singled out for such attention?) While all the oxygen is being used up by this new doppelganger of the "war on terror", the state will use the opportunity to mop up the hundreds of other resistance movements in the sweep of its military operation, calling them all Maoist sympathisers.


I use the future tense, but this process is well under way. The West Bengal government tried to do this in Nandigram and Singur but failed. Right now in Lalgarh, the Pulishi Santrash Birodhi Janasadharaner Committee or the People's Committee Against Police Atrocities – which is a people's movement that is separate from, though sympathetic to, the Maoists – is routinely referred to as an overground wing of the CPI (Maoist). Its leader, Chhatradhar Mahato, now arrested and being held without bail, is always called a "Maoist leader". We all know the story of Dr Binayak Sen, a medical doctor and a civil liberties activist, who spent two years in jail on the absolutely facile charge of being a courier for the Maoists. While the light shines brightly on Operation Green Hunt, in other parts of India, away from the theatre of war, the assault on the rights of the poor, of workers, of the landless, of those whose lands the government wishes to acquire for "public purpose", will pick up pace. Their suffering will deepen and it will be that much harder for them to get a hearing.


Once the war begins, like all wars, it will develop a momentum, a logic and an economics of its own. It will become a way of life, almost impossible to reverse. The police will be expected to behave like an army, a ruthless killing machine. The paramilitary will be expected to become like the police, a corrupt, bloated administrative force. We've seen it happen in Nagaland, Manipur and Kashmir. The only difference in the "heartland" will be that it'll become obvious very quickly to the security forces that they're only a little less wretched than the people they're fighting. In time, the divide between the people and the law enforcers will become porous. Guns and ammunition will be bought and sold. In fact, it's already happening. Whether it's the security forces or the Maoists or noncombatant civilians, the poorest people will die in this rich people's war. However, if anybody believes that this war will leave them unaffected, they should think again. The resources it'll consume will cripple the economy of this country.


Last week, civil liberties groups from all over the country organised a series of meetings in Delhi to discuss what could be done to turn the tide and stop the war. The absence of Dr Balagopal, one of the best-known civil rights activists of Andhra Pradesh, who died two weeks ago, closed around us like a physical pain. He was one of the bravest, wisest political thinkers of our time and left us just when we needed him most. Still, I'm sure he would have been reassured to hear speaker after speaker displaying the vision, the depth, the experience, the wisdom, the political acuity and, above all, the real humanity of the community of activists, academics, lawyers, judges and a range of other people who make up the civil liberties community in India. Their presence in the capital signalled that outside the arclights of our TV studios and beyond the drumbeat of media hysteria, even among India's middle classes, a humane heart still beats. Small wonder then that these are the people who the Union home minister recently accused of creating an "intellectual climate" that was conducive to "terrorism". If that charge was meant to frighten people, it had the opposite effect.


The speakers represented a range of opinion from the liberal to the radical left. Though none of those who spoke would describe themselves as Maoist, few were opposed in principle to the idea that people have a right to defend themselves against state violence. Many were uncomfortable about Maoist violence, about the "people's courts" that delivered summary justice, about the authoritarianism that was bound to permeate an armed struggle and marginalise those who did not have arms. But even as they expressed their discomfort, they knew that people's courts only existed because India's courts are out of the reach of ordinary people and that the armed struggle that has broken out in the heartland is not the first, but the very last option of a desperate people pushed to the very brink of existence. The speakers were aware of the dangers of trying to extract a simple morality out of individual incidents of heinous violence, in a situation that had already begun to look very much like war. Everybody had graduated long ago from equating the structural violence of the state with the violence of the armed resistance. In fact, retired Justice PB Sawant went so far as to thank the Maoists for forcing the establishment of this country to pay attention to the egregious injustice of the system. Hargopal from Andhra Pradesh spoke of his experience as a civil rights activist through the years of the Maoist interlude in his state. He mentioned in passing the fact that in a few days in Gujarat in 2002, Hindu mobs led by the Bajrang Dal and the VHP had killed more people than the Maoists ever had even in their bloodiest days in Andhra Pradesh.


People who had come from the war zones, from Lalgarh, Jharkhand, Chhattisgarh and Orissa, described the police repression, the arrests, the torture, the killing, the corruption, and the fact that they sometimes seemed to take orders directly from the officials who worked for the mining companies. People described the often dubious, malign role being played by certain NGOs funded by aid agencies wholly devoted to furthering corporate prospects. Again and again they spoke of how in Jharkhand and Chhattisgarh activists as well as ordinary people – anyone who was seen to be a dissenter – were being branded Maoists and imprisoned. They said that this, more than anything else, was pushing people to take up arms and join the Maoists. They asked how a government that professed its inability to resettle even a fraction of the 50 million people who had been displaced by "development" projects was suddenly able to identify 1,40,000 hectares of prime land to give to industrialists for more than 300 Special Economic Zones, India's onshore tax havens for the rich. They asked what brand of justice the supreme court was practising when it refused to review the meaning of "public purpose" in the land acquisition act even when it knew that the government was forcibly acquiring land in the name of "public purpose" to give to private corporations. They asked why when the government says that "the writ of the state must run", it seems to only mean that police stations must be put in place. Not schools or clinics or housing, or clean water, or a fair price for forest produce, or even being left alone and free from the fear of the police – anything that would make people's lives a little easier. They asked why the "writ of the state" could never be taken to mean justice.


There was a time, perhaps 10 years ago, when in meetings like these, people were still debating the model of "development" that was being thrust on them by the New Economic Policy. Now the rejection of that model is complete. It is absolute. Everyone from the Gandhians to the Maoists agree on that. The only question now is, what is the most effective way to dismantle it?


An old college friend of a friend, a big noise in the corporate world, had come along for one of the meetings out of morbid curiosity about a world he knew very little about. Even though he had disguised himself in a Fabindia kurta, he couldn't help looking (and smelling) expensive. At one point, he leaned across to me and said, "Someone should tell them not to bother. They won't win this one. They have no idea what they're up against. With the kind of money that's involved here, these companies can buy ministers and media barons and policy wonks, they can run their own NGOs, their own militias, they can buy whole governments. They'll even buy the Maoists. These good people here should save their breath and find something better to do."


When people are being brutalised, what "better" thing is there for them to do than to fight back? It's not as though anyone's offering them a choice, unless it's to commit suicide, like some of the farmers caught in a spiral of debt have done. (Am I the only one who gets the feeling that the Indian establishment and its representatives in the media are far more comfortable with the idea of poor people killing themselves in despair than with the idea of them fighting back?)


For several years, people in Chhattisgarh, Orissa, Jharkhand and West Bengal – some of them Maoists, many not – have managed to hold off the big corporations. The question now is, how will Operation Green Hunt change the nature of their struggle? What exactly are the fighting people up against?


It's true that, historically, mining companies have often won their battles against local people. Of all corporations, leaving aside the ones that make weapons, they probably have the most merciless past. They are cynical, battle-hardened campaigners and when people say, "Jaan denge par jameen nahin denge" (We'll give away our lives, but never our land), it probably bounces off them like a light drizzle on a bomb shelter. They've heard it before, in a thousand different languages, in a hundred different countries.


Right now in India, many of them are still in the first class arrivals lounge, ordering cocktails, blinking slowly like lazy predators, waiting for the Memorandums of Understanding (MoUs) they have signed – some as far back as 2005 – to materialise into real money. But four years in a first class lounge is enough to test the patience of even the truly tolerant: the elaborate, if increasingly empty, rituals of democratic practice: the (sometimes rigged) public hearings, the (sometimes fake) environmental impact assessments, the (often purchased) clearances from various ministries, the long drawn-out court cases. Even phony democracy is time-consuming. And time is money.


So what kind of money are we talking about? In their seminal, soon-to-be-published work, Out of This Earth: East India Adivasis and the Aluminum Cartel, Samarendra Das and Felix Padel say that the financial value of the bauxite deposits of Orissa alone is $2.27 trillion (more than twice India's GDP). That was at 2004 prices. At today's prices it would be about $4 trillion.


Of this, officially the government gets a royalty of less than 7%. Quite often, if the mining company is a known and recognised one, the chances are that, even though the ore is still in the mountain, it will have already been traded on the futures market. So, while for the adivasis the mountain is still a living deity, the fountainhead of life and faith, the keystone of the ecological health of the region, for the corporation, it's just a cheap storage facility. Goods in storage have to be accessible. From the corporation's point of view, the bauxite will have to come out of the mountain. Such are the pressures and the exigencies of the free market.


That's just the story of the bauxite in Orissa. Expand the $4 trillion to include the value of the millions of tonnes of high-quality iron ore in Chhattisgarh and Jharkhand and the 28 other precious mineral resources, including uranium, limestone, dolomite, coal, tin, granite, marble, copper, diamond, gold, quartzite, corundum, beryl, alexandrite, silica, fluorite and garnet. Add to that the power plants, the dams, the highways, the steel and cement factories, the aluminium smelters, and all the other infrastructure projects that are part of the hundreds of MoUs (more than 90 in Jharkhand alone) that have been signed. That gives us a rough outline of the scale of the operation and the desperation of the stakeholders.


The forest once known as the Dandakaranya, which stretches from West Bengal through Jharkhand, Orissa, Chhattisgarh, parts of Andhra Pradesh and Maharashtra, is home to millions of India's tribal people. The media has taken to calling it the Red corridor or the Maoist corridor. It could just as accurately be called the MoUist corridor. It doesn't seem to matter at all that the fifth schedule of the constitution provides protection to adivasi people and disallows the alienation of their land. It looks as though the clause is there only to make the constitution look good – a bit of window-dressing, a slash of make-up. Scores of corporations, from relatively unknown ones to the biggest mining companies and steel manufacturers in the world, are in the fray to appropriate adivasi homelands – the Mittals, Jindals, Tata, Essar, Posco, Rio Tinto, BHP Billiton and, of course, Vedanta.
There's an MoU on every mountain, river and forest glade. We're talking about social and environmental engineering on an unimaginable scale. And most of this is secret. It's not in the public domain. Somehow I don't think that the plans afoot that would destroy one of the world's most pristine forests and ecosystems, as well as the people who live in it, will be discussed at the climate change conference in Copenhagen. Our 24-hour news channels that are so busy hunting for macabre stories of Maoist violence – and making them up when they run out of the real thing – seem to have no interest at all in this side of the story. I wonder why?


Perhaps it's because the development lobby to which they are so much in thrall says the mining industry will ratchet up the rate of GDP growth dramatically and provide employment to the people it displaces. This does not take into account the catastrophic costs of environmental damage. But even on its own narrow terms, it is simply untrue. Most of the money goes into the bank accounts of the mining corporations. Less than 10% comes to the public exchequer. A very tiny percentage of the displaced people get jobs, and those who do, earn slave-wages to do humiliating, backbreaking work. By caving in to this paroxysm of greed, we are bolstering other countries' economies with our ecology.


When the scale of money involved is what it is, the stakeholders are not always easy to identify. Between the CEOs in their private jets and the wretched tribal special police officers in the "people's" militias – who for a couple of thousand rupees a month fight their own people, rape, kill and burn down whole villages in an effort to clear the ground for mining to begin – there is an entire universe of primary, secondary and tertiary stakeholders.


These people don't have to declare their interests, but they're allowed to use their positions and good offices to further them. How will we ever know which political party, which ministers, which MPs, which politicians, which judges, which NGOs, which expert consultants, which police officers, have a direct or indirect stake in the booty? How will we know which newspapers reporting the latest Maoist "atrocity", which TV channels "reporting directly from ground zero" – or, more accurately, making it a point not to report from ground zero, or even more accurately, lying blatantly from ground zero – are stakeholders?


What is the provenance of the billions of dollars (several times more than India's GDP) secretly stashed away by Indian citizens in Swiss bank accounts? Where did the $2bn spent on the last general elections come from? Where do the hundreds of millions of rupees that politicians and parties pay the media for the "high-end", "low-end" and "live" pre-election "coverage packages" that P Sainath recently wrote about come from? (The next time you see a TV anchor haranguing a numb studio guest, shouting, "Why don't the Maoists stand for elections? Why don't they come in to the mainstream?", do SMS the channel saying, "Because they can't afford your rates.")


Too many questions about conflicts of interest and cronyism remain unanswered. What are we to make of the fact that the Union home minister, P Chidambaram, the chief of Operation Green Hunt, has, in his career as a corporate lawyer, represented several mining corporations? What are we to make of the fact that he was a non-executive director of Vedanta – a position from which he resigned the day he became finance minister in 2004? What are we to make of the fact that, when he became finance minister, one of the first clearances he gave for FDI was to Twinstar Holdings, a Mauritius-based company, to buy shares in Sterlite, a part of the Vedanta group?


What are we to make of the fact that, when activists from Orissa filed a case against Vedanta in the supreme court, citing its violations of government guidelines and pointing out that the Norwegian Pension Fund had withdrawn its investment from the company alleging gross environmental damage and human rights violations committed by the company, Justice Kapadia suggested that Vedanta be substituted with Sterlite, a sister company of the same group? He then blithely announced in an open court that he, too, had shares in Sterlite. He gave forest clearance to Sterlite to go ahead with the mining, despite the fact that the supreme court's own expert committee had explicitly said that permission should be denied and that mining would ruin the forests, water sources, environment and the lives and livelihoods of the thousands of tribals living there. Justice Kapadia gave this clearance without rebutting the report of the supreme court's own committee.


What are we to make of the fact that the Salwa Judum, the brutal ground-clearing operation disguised as a "spontaneous" people's militia in Dantewada, was formally inaugurated in 2005, just days after the MoU with the Tatas was signed? And that the Jungle Warfare Training School in Bastar was set up just around then?


What are we to make of the fact that two weeks ago, on 12 October, the mandatory public hearing for Tata Steel's steel project in Lohandiguda, Dantewada, was held in a small hall inside the collectorate, cordoned off with massive security, with an audience of 50 tribal people brought in from two Bastar villages in a convoy of government jeeps? (The public hearing was declared a success and the district collector congratulated the people of Bastar for their co-operation.)


What are we to make of the fact that just around the time the prime minister began to call the Maoists the "single largest internal security threat" (which was a signal that the government was getting ready to go after them), the share prices of many of the mining companies in the region skyrocketed?


The mining companies desperately need this "war". They will be the beneficiaries if the impact of the violence drives out the people who have so far managed to resist the attempts that have been made to evict them. Whether this will indeed be the outcome, or whether it'll simply swell the ranks of the Maoists remains to be seen.


Reversing this argument, Dr Ashok Mitra, former finance minister of West Bengal, in an article called "The Phantom Enemy", argues that the "grisly serial murders" that the Maoists are committing are a classic tactic, learned from guerrilla warfare textbooks. He suggests that they have built and trained a guerrilla army that is now ready to take on the Indian state, and that the Maoist "rampage" is a deliberate attempt on their part to invite the wrath of a blundering, angry Indian state which the Maoists hope will commit acts of cruelty that will enrage the adivasis. That rage, Dr Mitra says, is what the Maoists hope can be harvested and transformed into an insurrection.


This, of course, is the charge of "adventurism" that several currents of the left have always levelled at the Maoists. It suggests that Maoist ideologues are not above inviting destruction on the very people they claim to represent in order to bring about a revolution that will bring them to power.

Ashok Mitra is an old Communist who had a ringside seat during the Naxalite uprising of the 60s and 70s in West Bengal. His views cannot be summarily dismissed. But it's worth keeping in mind that the adivasi people have a long and courageous history of resistance that predates the birth of Maoism. To look upon them as brainless puppets being manipulated by a few middle-class Maoist ideologues is to do them a disservice.


Presumably Dr Mitra is talking about the situation in Lalgarh where, up to now, there has been no talk of mineral wealth. (Lest we forget – the current uprising in Lalgarh was sparked off over the chief minister's visit to inaugurate a Jindal Steel factory. And where there's a steel factory, can the iron ore be very far away?) The people's anger has to do with their desperate poverty, and the decades of suffering at the hands of the police and the Harmads, the armed militia of the Communist Party of India (Marxist) that has ruled West Bengal for more than 30 years.


Even if, for argument's sake, we don't ask what tens of thousands of police and paramilitary troops are doing in Lalgarh, and we accept the theory of Maoist "adventurism", it would still be only a very small part of the picture.
The real problem is that the flagship of India's miraculous "growth" story has run aground. It came at a huge social and environmental cost. And now, as the rivers dry up and forests disappear, as the water table recedes and as people realise what is being done to them, the chickens are coming home to roost. All over the country, there's unrest, there are protests by people refusing to give up their land and their access to resources, refusing to believe false promises any more. Suddenly, it's beginning to look as though the 10% growth rate and democracy are mutually incompatible.


To get the bauxite out of the flat-topped hills, to get iron ore out from under the forest floor, to get 85% of India's people off their land and into the cities (which is what Chidambaram says he'd like to see), India has to become a police state. The government has to militarise. To justify that militarisation, it needs an enemy. The Maoists are that enemy. They are to corporate fundamentalists what the Muslims are to Hindu fundamentalists. (Is there a fraternity of fundamentalists? Is that why the RSS has expressed open admiration for Chidambaram?)


It would be a grave mistake to imagine that the paramilitary troops, the Rajnandgaon air base, the Bilaspur brigade headquarters, the unlawful activities act, the Chhattisgarh special public security act and Operation Green Hunt are all being put in place just to flush out a few thousand Maoists from the forests. In all the talk of Operation Green Hunt, whether or not Chidambaram goes ahead and "presses the button", I detect the kernel of a coming state of emergency. (Here's a maths question: If it takes 600,000 soldiers to hold down the tiny valley of Kashmir, how many will it take to contain the mounting rage of hundreds of millions of people?)
Instead of narco-analysing Kobad Ghandy, the recently arrested Maoist leader, it might be a better idea to talk to him.


In the meanwhile, will someone who's going to the climate change conference in Copenhagen later this year please ask the only question worth asking: Can we leave the bauxite in the mountain?




http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/oct/30/mining-india-maoists-green-hunt

Dimentio
1st November 2009, 03:35
I appreciate Arundhati Roy very much. She is that kind of rare human being which is beaming genuine goodness and consideration. India is lucky to have her.

RHIZOMES
1st November 2009, 06:39
Posted this in the India losing Maoist battle thread as well. I think this shows how the Indian Maoists are part of a general revolutionary uprising of India's oppressed, rather than this Trotskyite conception of the Maoists just elitist fighting on behalf of the oppressed with no actual input.

red cat
1st November 2009, 09:30
Trotskyists, left-communists and anarchists more often say that Maoists are rival bourgeois gangs fighting to gain rights to oppress the masses themselves.

RHIZOMES
1st November 2009, 10:19
Trotskyists, left-communists and anarchists more often say that Maoists are rival bourgeois gangs fighting to gain rights to oppress the masses themselves.

Oh but that's only the (il)logical conclusion to their "elitist" argument.

Dimentio
1st November 2009, 11:39
Trotskyists, left-communists and anarchists more often say that Maoists are rival bourgeois gangs fighting to gain rights to oppress the masses themselves.

Nah, they are sincere. Maoists in the third world often want to improve things for the masses. Sadly, their means to break with the dominant social order are terribly inadequate. The experience of maoism in China was that it worked as an icebreaker to eliminate remaining feudalism, so capitalism later could thrive. I guess India's situation is fairly more complicated.

RHIZOMES
1st November 2009, 11:58
Nah, they are sincere. Maoists in the third world often want to improve things for the masses. Sadly, their means to break with the dominant social order are terribly inadequate. The experience of maoism in China was that it worked as an icebreaker to eliminate remaining feudalism, so capitalism later could thrive. I guess India's situation is fairly more complicated.

What an utterly mechanical way to look at it. It isn't due to complex political struggles within China that reverted it to capitalism, it's just because it was Maoism! It's almost like it's impossible for Maoists to go any other way if they seize the state through People's War (and other tactics when suitable, which Nepal has demonstrated) there's no other way it can go than just abolishing fuedalism and then restoring capitalism. No look at any deep, complex debates happening within the Maoist movement (such as Bhattarai's thinking of ways to exert more worker's control than in previous socialist models), again, it's just because it's Maoism. :rolleyes: You read it in some history textbook so therefore every Maoist-led revolution is gonna turn out exactly the same.

ls
1st November 2009, 12:19
What an utterly mechanical way to look at it. It isn't due to complex political struggles within China that reverted it to capitalism, it's just because it was Maoism! It's almost like it's impossible for Maoists to go any other way if they seize the state through People's War (and other tactics when suitable, which Nepal has demonstrated) there's no other way it can go than just abolishing fuedalism and then restoring capitalism. No look at any deep, complex debates happening within the Maoist movement (such as Bhattarai's thinking of ways to exert more worker's control than in previous socialist models), again, it's just because it's Maoism. :rolleyes: You read it in some history textbook so therefore every Maoist-led revolution is gonna turn out exactly the same.

I think Nepal has especially estranged a lot of people by participation in government, including a lot of people who supported it before that, as for India the Naxalite movement was suppressed once in the 70s, it has uprisen again. I don't think people are strangers to any of these movements.

Saorsa
1st November 2009, 12:30
I think Nepal has especially estranged a lot of people by participation in government, including a lot of people who supported it before that


After 2001 we still adhered to the People’s War but we resorted to some of the tactics of general insurrection, that’s why when we were in the People’s War we always talked of political negotiations and we actually had two rounds of political negotiations.

During that time we raised the issues of Constituent Assembly, abolition of the monarchy and establishment of a bourgeois democratic republic. These were the tactics we followed while we were in the PPW. Why we did that was because in the specific conditions of Nepal, though we are in the stage of transition from feudalism to capitalism, in our case the feudal system had been basically led by an autocratic monarchy for thousands of years. In most third world countries autocratic monarchy has already been abolished, and in those countries though the basic foundation of society is still semi-feudal, semi-colonial, the political superstructure was led by bourgeois democrats. But in our case even the political superstructure was dominated by the autocratic feudal monarchy, the national bourgeoisie was very weak and they could not carry forward the bourgeois democratic revolution. It was the proletarian party which had to take the lead to abolish the autocratic monarchy and introduce a bourgeois democracy, which could be again transformed through struggle into New Democracy, a proletarian democratic system.

Therefore we adopted these tactics, and after 2001 we followed these tactics and by 2005 we had reached the stage of strategic offensive in the PPW. Then we thought it was time to focus our activity, to shift our activities to the urban areas. By that time we had liberated most of the countryside, where the poor peasantry lives, and under 25% of our population lives in urban areas. There the petty bourgeoisie class and other classes needed to be mobilised if we were to complete the stage of strategic offensive and capture the state in a revolutionary manner. After 2005 we decided to shift our activity to the urban areas, because without mobilising the masses in urban areas we couldn’t complete our strategic offensive, capturing the state. With these tactics in mind we entered into the negotiation process with certain parliamentary parties who were all struggling with the monarchy but which were too weak, their class nature was too weak, they couldn’t struggle with the monarchy and complete the bourgeois democratic revolution. When the autocratic monarchy centralised all state power in a coup, it was easier for us to have an alliance with those bourgeois democratic parties and we made the 12-point understanding. On the basis of that 12-point understanding we launched a mass movement which we called the 2nd mass movement. After the 2nd mass movement there was a huge upsurge of the people and the autocratic monarchy was forced to accept the Constituent Assembly and to step down. After that we made the Comprehensive Peace Agreement, in which we had to make certain compromises. Those compromises were made to abolish the monarchy, hold the Constituent Assembly elections and then move ahead to complete the bourgeois democratic revolution in the country.


There are some ambiguous features in the Comprehensive Peace Agreement. Our understanding, the revolutionary party’s understanding, was that after abolishing the monarchy and establishing a bourgeois democratic republic, the proletarian party would take the initiative and launch forward the struggle towards New Democratic Revolution. We knew the bourgeois forces, after the abolition of the monarchy, would try to resist, and our main contradiction then would be with the bourgeois democratic parties. This we had foreseen. So we have not said that after the abolition of the monarchy we’ll stop there. We never said that. What we have said is that we would align with the bourgeois democratic parties to abolish the monarchy, and after the abolition of the monarchy then the contention would be between the bourgeois forces and the proletarian forces. A new field of struggle would start. That was clearly stated in the Comprehensive Peace Agreement, the subsequent interim constitution and other documents we passed.


After the Constituent Assembly elections, when our party emerged as the largest force and we abolished the monarchy, there was a lot of enthusiasm among the masses of the people. Our party’s tactical line had been correctly implemented. That gave a tremendous force to the basic masses of the people and our support greatly increased. For the time being we cooperated with the interim government also, because by participating in that coalition government we thought we could work within the bureaucracy, within the army, within the police and within the judiciary, in order to build our support base through those state structures, which would help us for future revolutionary activities. With that in mind we participated in the coalition government. After the abolition of the monarchy, when the main contradiction would start with the bourgeois democratic forces, then our struggle took a new turn.


After April 2009 [when Prachanda resigned from government], that phase of the Constituent Assembly and implementation of the bourgeois democratic republic was more or less complete. Our understanding is to now carry on the struggle forwards to complete the New Democratic Revolution. So again we made a tactical shift, showing that from now on our major fight would be with the bourgeois democrat parties who are backed by imperialism and the expansionist forces. With this thinking our party left the government and now we are focusing on the mass movement, so that now we could really practice what we have been preaching. That means the fusion of the strategy of PPW and the tactic of general insurrection. What we have been doing since 2005 is the path of preparation for general insurrection through our work in the urban areas and our participation in the coalition government.


But what one should not forget was that we had never ever surrendered the gains of the PPW, what we had gained during the ten years of struggle. We had formulated the People’s Liberation Army (PLA), we had our base areas, we had a lot of mass support, and all this we have been able to preserve. But we have not been able to convey to our comrades outside the country that the gains of the People’s War were never surrendered. The PLA is still with us, and the arms we collected during that war are still with us within the single-key system, monitored by the United Nations team, but basically the key is with us and the army is with us and we have never surrendered. This shows we have not abandoned the path of PPW. What we have done is suspended that part of the activity for some time and focused more on the urban activities so that we could make a correct balance between the military and political aspects of struggle. After some time we will be able to combine both aspects of PPW and general insurrection to mount a final insurrection to capture state power. We would like to stress that we are still continuing in the path of revolution, but the main features we tried to introduce were to make a fusion between the theory of PPW and the tactic of general insurrection. After coming to the peaceful phase I think whatever confusion there was has been mitigated and people realise we are still on the revolutionary path.


Now we are preparing for the final stage of the completion of the New Democratic Revolution. In a few months when the contradiction will sharpen between the proletarian and bourgeois forces, maybe there will be some intervention from the imperialist and expansionist forces. During that time we may again be forced to have another round of armed clashes. Our party is already aware of that and we have decided to again focus on the basic masses of the people both in urban and rural areas. To strengthen those mass bases we have formed the United National People’s Movement, which will be preparing for both struggle in the urban areas and to strengthen our mass base in the countryside. In the decisive stage of confrontation with the reactionary forces we could again combine our bases in the rural areas and our support in the urban areas for a final assault against the enemy to complete the revolution.


I would like to say we have never abandoned PPW, the only thing is that there has been a tactical shift within the strategy. This is one point. The other point is that being a Maoist we believe in continuous revolution. Revolution never stops. Even when one stage is completed, immediately the new stage should be continued. Only that way can we reach socialism and communism. That is a basic tenet of Maoism. Being a Maoist, this reasoning of continuous revolution can never be abandoned. We are still in the course of PPW, though the tactics have shifted according to the nature of the time. But there is a confusion in the international community of proletarian forces, and we would like to clarify this, but I think this thing can be better done in practice than in words. Anyhow we are confident we can convince our comrades who have some doubts about our activities that we are still pursuing the path of revolution. We will complete the revolution in a new way and we have to show that revolution is possible even in the 21st century. And Nepal can be a model of revolution in the 21st century.


http://mikeely.wordpress.com/2009/10/31/interview-with-bhattarai-fusing-peoples-war-insurrection-in-nepal/

Before dogmatically dismissing the tactics of the UCPN (M), I would strongly suggest reading this interview with Maoist leader Baburam Bhattarai. Critique a tactic like entering government on the basis of whether or not it has weakened the forces of the reactionary state and strengthened the revolutionary forces of the proletariat, peasantry and oppressed. Don't just dismiss it because [insert favourite theoretician] said it was a shit tactic a century or two ago.

I'm probably expecting too much here, but it never hurts to try.

ls
1st November 2009, 12:39
I have read mikeely a number of times before, I can't say I'm massively impressed by this latest article anymore than any previous one really.


Before dogmatically dismissing the tactics of the UCPN (M)

It's not really about 'dogmatism', I don't mind supporting whatever you call it revolutions, as long as they appear to be true workers' ones.



I would strongly suggest reading this interview with Maoist leader Baburam Bhattarai. Critique a tactic like entering government on the basis of whether or not it has weakened the forces of the reactionary state and strengthened the revolutionary forces of the proletariat, peasantry and oppressed.

Isn't it fair to say it's mostly a peasants' led revolution? If not, do you want to link me a piece refuting that?


Don't just dismiss it because [insert favourite theoretician] said it was a shit tactic a century or two ago.

No one told me it was a shit tactic, that was my own prerogative.


I'm probably expecting too much here, but it never hurts to try.

If you have a direct link to those piece(s) you mentioned, I will attempt to read them, but there's little point "holding out hope", I have read pieces from prachanda before and by the old Indian maoist leader charu.

Saorsa
1st November 2009, 12:47
Oh and while the uprising in the area of Naxalbari was indeed suprressed, it's not quite accurate to say that Naxalism was 'suppressed in the 70s' and has just 'uprisen again' today. The Naxalbari uprising inspired a whole generation of young radicals to leave their studies and travel into the countryside to spread revolutionary ideas amongst the oppressed, and it also inspired countless peasants, tribals and workers to dedicate themselves to resisting their oppression and transforming the social framework of India by any means necessary. There were armed revolutionary struggles taking place in various parts of India every day between the Naxalbari uprising and today, under the leadership of various revolutionary organisations, most notably the Communist Party of India (Marxist-Leninist) People's War (usually referred to as the People's War Group) and the Maoist Communist Centre.

These two groups ended up with decent parts of India under the influence and in some areas effective control, and on September 21st 2004 they merged.

The current publicity the Maoists are recieving comes down to two factors. Firstly, an increase in their strength and the area in which they are operation, with a "Red Corridor" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_corridor) running from northeastern India by the Nepali border all the way down to the industrial cities of the south. The Naxalites also control about a fifth (http://ibnlive.in.com/news/knowing-the-reds-a-primer-on-maoists/95141-3.html) of India's forested areas. They're regularly attacking the police forces and the military and are able to launch large scale military operations requiring a great deal of logistics, and using advanced weaponry. As well as this they are leading a whole host of social transformations, from land reform to digging wells and instituting participatory democracy in the villages they liberate. This is mentioned briefly in the Roy article in this thread. So the Maoists are genuinely stronger and pose a genuine threat to the Indian state.

However, we also have to be careful, because secondly, the Indian ruling class is prone to exaggerating the Maoist threat. Partly this comes from a basic fact of guerilla struggles, that the survivors of guerilla attacks exaggerate the numbers they were facing to try and make it sound like they were overwhelmed and had no chance of victory. You'll see reports about 200 PLGA (People's Liberation Guerilla Army, the Naxalite armed wing) attacking a small police patrol in the woods, and you just have to laugh at the idea that they'd use that many fighters or that 200 heavily armed fighters could easily travel without being detected. As well as this grassroots exaggeration, the Maoists are to India what al-Quaeda is to the USA - an excuse for curtailing civil liberties and masking what their truly up to. As Roy points out in her article, talk about 'the Maoist threat' and you can get away with flooding a mineral rich area with armed police and declare martial law, thus making it easier to dismiss the resistance of those pesky locals.

The Indian People's War is a decades old struggle between the poor and oppressed and the ruling class, and shouldn't be reduced to 'crushed in the 70s but popping up again now'. Even if mainstream media reportage isn't making it easy for Western leftists to hear about them, these struggles don't quietly go away.

ls
1st November 2009, 13:03
Oh and while the uprising in the area of Naxalbari was indeed suprressed, it's not quite accurate to say that Naxalism was 'suppressed in the 70s' and has just 'uprisen again' today. The Naxalbari uprising inspired a whole generation of young radicals to leave their studies and travel into the countryside to spread revolutionary ideas amongst the oppressed, and it also inspired countless peasants, tribals and workers to dedicate themselves to resisting their oppression and transforming the social framework of India by any means necessary. There were armed revolutionary struggles taking place in various parts of India every day between the Naxalbari uprising and today, under the leadership of various revolutionary organisations, most notably the Communist Party of India (Marxist-Leninist) People's War (usually referred to as the People's War Group) and the Maoist Communist Centre.

These two groups ended up with decent parts of India under the influence and in some areas effective control, and on September 21st 2004 they merged.

The current publicity the Maoists are recieving comes down to two factors. Firstly, an increase in their strength and the area in which they are operation, with a "Red Corridor" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_corridor) running from northeastern India by the Nepali border all the way down to the industrial cities of the south. The Naxalites also control about a fifth (http://ibnlive.in.com/news/knowing-the-reds-a-primer-on-maoists/95141-3.html) of India's forested areas. They're regularly attacking the police forces and the military and are able to launch large scale military operations requiring a great deal of logistics, and using advanced weaponry. As well as this they are leading a whole host of social transformations, from land reform to digging wells and instituting participatory democracy in the villages they liberate. This is mentioned briefly in the Roy article in this thread. So the Maoists are genuinely stronger and pose a genuine threat to the Indian state.

So do you truly think they will win against the Indian state despite its stated desire to completely crush the Naxalite movement now?


However, we also have to be careful, because secondly, the Indian ruling class is prone to exaggerating the Maoist threat.

And playing it down too, they have denounced it before as mere peasants getting uppity.


Partly this comes from a basic fact of guerilla struggles, that the survivors of guerilla attacks exaggerate the numbers they were facing to try and make it sound like they were overwhelmed and had no chance of victory. You'll see reports about 200 PLGA (People's Liberation Guerilla Army, the Naxalite armed wing) attacking a small police patrol in the woods, and you just have to laugh at the idea that they'd use that many fighters or that 200 heavily armed fighters could easily travel without being detected. As well as this grassroots exaggeration, the Maoists are to India what al-Quaeda is to the USA - an excuse for curtailing civil liberties and masking what their truly up to. As Roy points out in her article, talk about 'the Maoist threat' and you can get away with flooding a mineral rich area with armed police and declare martial law, thus making it easier to dismiss the resistance of those pesky locals.

I don't know about 'martial law', although Indian police seem to have made a marked departure since the 60s in their arsenal, when they would only carry sidearms and have hard sticks, which they used pretty liberally on homeless people et al.


The Indian People's War is a decades old struggle between the poor and oppressed and the ruling class, and shouldn't be reduced to 'crushed in the 70s but popping up again now'. Even if mainstream media reportage isn't making it easy for Western leftists to hear about them, these struggles don't quietly go away.

Mainstream media reportage is probably less biased than Indian state reports, as you have almost acknowledged.

Once again, as I've seen argued before not from "Western" sources, the war in India is mostly waged by peasants, there isn't much of a connection to the industrialised cities or "big towns", there are enormous general strikes in India that cost the economy hundreds of millions and effectively cripple several Indian states at once. Why would you organise from the rural agricultural towns? Not that I'm saying they shouldn't be organised, but it cannot be disputed that the industrial disputes have far more potential than in rural India, most in the cities are workers; not peasants.

What about the struggle in Nepal? Well yeah there have been maoist-called general strikes there as we know, however they were about rival maoist factions, they can not be called grasroots worker led action.

Saorsa
1st November 2009, 13:09
[QUOTE]I have read mikeely a number of times before, I can't say I'm massively impressed by this latest article anymore than any previous one really.

Mike Ely didn't write the article I quoted from. It was written by Baburam Bhattarai.




It's not really about 'dogmatism', I don't mind supporting whatever you call it revolutions, as long as they appear to be true workers' ones.

Define a 'true worker's revolution' and why Nepal is or is not one.




Isn't it fair to say it's mostly a peasants' led revolution? If not, do you want to link me a piece refuting that?

Depends on how you define that. Most of the leadership either come from an intellectual urban background or from a fairly even mixture of peasants, proletarians, Dalits etc. The People's War was obviously centred in the coutnryside and mostly carried out by peasants, but since the peace accords were signed and the Maoists were able to enter political struggle in an open arena in the urban areas, they have developed a massive support base amongst workers and peasants. The Maoist trade union federation for example claims to have over one lakh (about 100,000) members in the Kathmandu valley, which has about 1.5 million inhabitants and an unemployment rate of around 40% (I'm using "about" a lot because all these statistics are in flux all the time and aren't reliable in general). So doing some simple maths, out of about 600,000 employed workers in the Kathmandu Valley the Maoist trade unions represent about 15%. And that's just trade union membership, which is obviously quite different to political support. I can track down links for all this but its 2am and I cbf at the moment, if you really want me too I'll have a hunt around tomorrow.

The Maoists control many of the students associations, more than any other party I'm fairly certain. Again, I'll track down links for this tomorrow if you like. And their always bloody leading strikes, in the last 6 months of last year there were just 12 days in Nepal that didn't have some kind of strike action going. The country barely functions at the best of times.

The Maoists are a nationwide movement and it's not really accurate to call it peasant based any longer, if it ever was. One of the main reasons they signed the CPA, took part in the elections etc was to extend their influence and ultimately hegemony into the urban areas, and the protests about to begin will be a good way of testing the extent to which they succeeded in this. There are other bits of evidence to point to;

http://mikeely.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/nepal-election-map.jpg

Plus the fact that in the last by-elections they started with 2 out of 6 seats and ended with 3.




No one told me it was a shit tactic, that was my own prerogative.

Well, don't just say it's shit. Justify why and let's debate it.




If you have a direct link to those piece(s) you mentioned, I will attempt to read them, but there's little point "holding out hope", I have read pieces from prachanda before and by the old Indian maoist leader charu.

Well I think that's good. I hate the whole tendency to dismiss the theories and writers of other tendencies without engaging properly, it's so lazy. I have read and also own plenty of anarchist literature, everyone from Berkman to Kropotkin, Goldman to Malatesta. I've also read (and own) Trotkyist texts and even a handful of Hoxhaist texts, mostly for the lulz.

It's a long article so obviously only do it if you have time, but I'm begging you to read the interview with Bhattarai and engage (and of course not necessarily supportively!) with the arguments he makes. There's a lot of new and exciting stuff he's saying that can't be lumped into dismissals of 20th century Maoism.

Saorsa
1st November 2009, 13:23
[QUOTE]So do you truly think they will win against the Indian state despite its stated desire to completely crush the Naxalite movement now?
Actually yeah I do. I think Operation Green Hunt will be a total failure and the Naxalites will emerge from it stronger. Do you really think the NLF had a chance against the USA? ;-)



And playing it down too, they have denounced it before as mere peasants getting uppity.True. Their tactics vary according to their needs and the objective situation.



I don't know about 'martial law', although Indian police seem to have made a marked departure since the 60s in their arsenal, when they would only carry sidearms and have hard sticks, which they used pretty liberally on homeless people et al.Well sure, if we're talking specifics they generally wouldn't pull the martial law card at any given time, but when the place is flooded with troops and tension is high it might as well be under martial law - step out of line and the troops will probably treat you the same way as if it was.


Once again, as I've seen argued before not from "Western" sources, the war in India is mostly waged by peasants, there isn't much of a connection to the industrialised cities or "big towns", there are enormous general strikes in India that cost the economy hundreds of millions and effectively cripple several Indian states at once. Why would you organise from the rural agricultural towns? Not that I'm saying they shouldn't be organised, but it cannot be disputed that the industrial disputes have far more potential than in rural India, most in the cities are workers; not peasants.The Maoists are organising in the urban areas, and have made it a clear priority to do so. http://www.bannedthought.net/India/CPI-Maoist-Docs/UrbanPerspective.doc

The Indian media are going nuts over the arrest of Kobad Ghandy, a Naxal leader who was apparently in charge of their urban work in the area he was based. He's currently in prison and being tortured for information.

While your right that India has massive industrial cities and a rapidly growing urban population (there are numerous reports that the Maoists are taking advantage of this, they're apparently doing a lot of work in the slums), more than 80% of Indians still live in rural areas in horribly oppressive conditions. India is almost two economies, one urban and one rural, and huge numbers of peasants have next to no connection to the cities. The Maoists are working in the cities, rest assured of that, and in years to come we'll see the results of this, but the fact is that the main arena of struggle in a country like India remains the countryside.

A key part of the Maoist strategy of armed struggle based in the countryside is that in the rural areas the state is weakest. In the urban areas it is hard to operate in conditions of repression, it's harder to avoid detection and the state generally has more quantitative and more heavily concentrated forces at it's disposal. In the countryside, it's possible for the advantage to lie with the revolutionary forces, who can build base areas to support the struggle in other parts of the country, including the urban areas. Such base areas are hugely important to a revolutionary struggle, and the Naxalites current strategy revolves around cultivating such strongholds.


What about the struggle in Nepal? Well yeah there have been maoist-called general strikes there as we know, however they were about rival maoist factions, they can not be called grasroots worker led action.They weren't about rival Maoist factions, there is only one Maoist party in Nepal with any mass support and that's the UCPN (M). Not only do the Maoist trade unions engage in all kinds of regular bread and butter struggles (including some reported factory takeovers in the past few years), they actively support workers all over the country who struggle for better pay and conditions. Yet I think your criticism here is classic economism - it is a good thing that Maoist-aligned workers go on strike in support of political demands, how could it not be? Political struggle like this both indicates a higher level of consciousness among workers than bread and butter strikes do, while also having the potential to further raise this consciousness. The Maoists are a revolutionary organisation with a very clear goal of smashing the state and building a radically different Nepal based on the empowerment of ordinary working people, and if trade unions and workers generally participate in bandhs in support of this revlutionary agenda that means a hell of a lot more than a strike in support of a pay increase.

ls
1st November 2009, 14:22
Mike Ely didn't write the article I quoted from. It was written by Baburam Bhattarai.

Well I've read it, my main notes on it are really, he discusses building a bourgeoisie revolution first then a 'new democratic revolution', he discusses organising the petty-bourgeoisie, he discusses the fact that the masses in the cities needed organising despite the fact that the agricultural areas of Nepal were organised first.

These are all very strange and contradictory things in my opinion. He even goes as far as to say that China turned sour as soon as Mao died and that the Soviet union became a bureaucracy quickly, it's all very odd really.


Define a 'true worker's revolution' and why Nepal is or is not one.

I think with things in mind like the open fact that its leadership is mixed petty-bourgeosie, bourgeoisie, some peasantry and proletariat and that the PPW was waged by peasants, I'm really not sure it is a workers revolution objectively. Before the elections it still seemed strange based on my objective observations.


Depends on how you define that. Most of the leadership either come from an intellectual urban background or from a fairly even mixture of peasants, proletarians, Dalits etc. The People's War was obviously centred in the coutnryside and mostly carried out by peasants, but since the peace accords were signed and the Maoists were able to enter political struggle in an open arena in the urban areas, they have developed a massive support base amongst workers and peasants. The Maoist trade union federation for example claims to have over one lakh (about 100,000) members in the Kathmandu valley, which has about 1.5 million inhabitants and an unemployment rate of around 40% (I'm using "about" a lot because all these statistics are in flux all the time and aren't reliable in general). So doing some simple maths, out of about 600,000 employed workers in the Kathmandu Valley the Maoist trade unions represent about 15%. And that's just trade union membership, which is obviously quite different to political support. I can track down links for all this but its 2am and I cbf at the moment, if you really want me too I'll have a hunt around tomorrow.

I'm not saying you're wrong, the fact I realise they called a general strike should tell you that. That doesn't however mean they are building a proletarian revolution.


The Maoists are a nationwide movement and it's not really accurate to call it peasant based any longer, if it ever was. One of the main reasons they signed the CPA, took part in the elections etc was to extend their influence and ultimately hegemony into the urban areas, and the protests about to begin will be a good way of testing the extent to which they succeeded in this. There are other bits of evidence to point to

But they point a lot to the petite-bourgeois in urban areas really, as written on that Bhat article you linked:

Therefore we adopted these tactics, and after 2001 we followed these tactics and by 2005 we had reached the stage of strategic offensive in the PPW. Then we thought it was time to focus our activity, to shift our activities to the urban areas. By that time we had liberated most of the countryside, where the poor peasantry lives, and under 25% of our population lives in urban areas. There the petty bourgeoisie class and other classes needed to be mobilised if we were to complete the stage of strategic offensive and capture the state in a revolutionary manner.


Well, don't just say it's shit. Justify why and let's debate it.

I've already stated several reasons why, I find it very odd that they say the soviet union failed with its bureaucracy early on and that china fell to revisionism as soon as mao died, then think that their revolution is a lot better.

I think that you can see some bureaucratism already, what with their banning strikes whilst in government, that is pretty much brokering power, even if you discount the fact that they were in government in the first place.


Well I think that's good. I hate the whole tendency to dismiss the theories and writers of other tendencies without engaging properly, it's so lazy. I have read and also own plenty of anarchist literature, everyone from Berkman to Kropotkin, Goldman to Malatesta. I've also read (and own) Trotkyist texts and even a handful of Hoxhaist texts, mostly for the lulz.

Fair enough, I'm just trying to understand why you support the revolution, how you think it will succeed and a few other things, of course I don't know everything about it, but I'm trying to learn more, I know a lot more about India than I do Nepal though.

I think a strong movement proletarian movement needs to be built along non-republican lines that thinks of the Indian subcontinent as just that, the Indian subcontinent region. Along internationalist lines too of course, but transcending the borders between all the 'republics'.

We must never forget the horrific genocides and continuing oppression of Chistians, Sikhs, Muslims and Hindus that happened during the sickening divide of the Indian subcontinent, all entirely unnecessary during the formation of bourgeoisie republics, indeed if the Indian subcontinent had remained one republic in and of itself, it wouldv'e still involved mass slaughter, but would've been much less like several genocides.


It's a long article so obviously only do it if you have time, but I'm begging you to read the interview with Bhattarai and engage (and of course not necessarily supportively!) with the arguments he makes. There's a lot of new and exciting stuff he's saying that can't be lumped into dismissals of 20th century Maoism.

Hm, he says "marxist-leninist-maoism".


Actually yeah I do. I think Operation Green Hunt will be a total failure and the Naxalites will emerge from it stronger. Do you really think the NLF had a chance against the USA? ;-)

I'm not sure if comparing those two achieves much, if you think they are similar, state why.


Well sure, if we're talking specifics they generally wouldn't pull the martial law card at any given time, but when the place is flooded with troops and tension is high it might as well be under martial law - step out of line and the troops will probably treat you the same way as if it was.

Of course. Indian troops are extremely trigger happy and always have been. The Indian military is pretty disgusting, although from what I can tell, they are not quite as bad as the Nepalese or the Sri Lankan one.


The Maoists are organising in the urban areas, and have made it a clear priority to do so. http://www.bannedthought.net/India/CPI-Maoist-Docs/UrbanPerspective.doc

The Indian media are going nuts over the arrest of Kobad Ghandy, a Naxal leader who was apparently in charge of their urban work in the area he was based. He's currently in prison and being tortured for information.

I think this is the kind of thing that will happen if you organise, as is said on that doc you linked, "from the forest". When you enter the cities, it will not be easy organising.


While your right that India has massive industrial cities and a rapidly growing urban population (there are numerous reports that the Maoists are taking advantage of this, they're apparently doing a lot of work in the slums)

They shouldn't just do work in the slums, but also among the slightly better off proletarians too, I would expect that they don't really try with this though, which is a shame.

As for "cities", you have neglected to mention the towns, the towns contain absolutely masses of people in India, they are strange crosses of being semi-rural and fairly urbanised too.


more than 80% of Indians still live in rural areas in horribly oppressive conditions. India is almost two economies, one urban and one rural, and huge numbers of peasants have next to no connection to the cities.

But they should and even the government is attempting to give them internet access, so they apparently know up-to-date crop prices.

There should be an intimate connection between what happens for the progressive working-class in rural and urban areas, in fact, not just that, there should be solidarity throughout the entire Indian subcontinent.

I really do think it's one of the keys to building a true proletarian movement not just in India but also in Nepal, Sri Lanka, Myanmar and so on.


The Maoists are working in the cities, rest assured of that, and in years to come we'll see the results of this, but the fact is that the main arena of struggle in a country like India remains the countryside.

I think with the control over the economy the urban working-class exercises, the economic damage they can inflict on the ruling classes, what you're saying is simply untrue, there needs to be a correct line on the agricultural working-class, the poorer peasants, but they must be organised under proletarian leadership. They do wield a lot of power but they can only be effective if they fight alongside their class companions.


A key part of the Maoist strategy of armed struggle based in the countryside is that in the rural areas the state is weakest. In the urban areas it is hard to operate in conditions of repression, it's harder to avoid detection and the state generally has more quantitative and more heavily concentrated forces at it's disposal.

But this is a moot point imo, that is the same just about everywhere. The police in slums can be beaten down by the workers, military can be subverted with enough numbers too which exist in the slums of cities.

From what I've been told and heard and even seen in old photographs from my family of what they call Bombay, it is an insane place where everything blends into each other, the smell is like nothing else and there is really nowhere else like it. I really don't think detection in such the cities if you're determined enough and stay undercover, which is by no means impossible, is going to happen.


In the countryside, it's possible for the advantage to lie with the revolutionary forces, who can build base areas to support the struggle in other parts of the country, including the urban areas. Such base areas are hugely important to a revolutionary struggle, and the Naxalites current strategy revolves around cultivating such strongholds.

Base areas must be the cities though, that is where the economic power of the proletariat lies, as you yourself have admitted.


They weren't about rival Maoist factions, there is only one Maoist party in Nepal with any mass support and that's the UCPN (M).

Although a slightly biased source, that is not what Al-Jazeera said, if you can link me to a different statement about it or something I'd happily read it.


Not only do the Maoist trade unions engage in all kinds of regular bread and butter struggles (including some reported factory takeovers in the past few years), they actively support workers all over the country who struggle for better pay and conditions. Yet I think your criticism here is classic economism - it is a good thing that Maoist-aligned workers go on strike in support of political demands, how could it not be?

I'm not condemning workers going on strike, however not all strikes are explicitly good. There are sometimes reactionary strikes, waged by certain racist workers or whatever, for instance if you want a classic example, the ulster workers' council strike in the 70s was pretty reactionary in general, although some of the proletarian elements of it should've been and were supported.

I think that if there was indeed rival maoist factions fighting, with one of them killing another's local leader, which from my admittedly limited sources was what inspired the strike, then I think that it's pretty strange a reason to strike myself. It's not like I care for the Nepalese economy though. I don't support the monarchic bourgeoisie parasites and their 'republic'.


Political struggle like this both indicates a higher level of consciousness among workers than bread and butter strikes do, while also having the potential to further raise this consciousness.

What is a political and economic struggle though, they are quite different things, sure we should attempt to politicise workers during strikes when the time is right, but things like this should not often cross over, definitely not when it's about some faction killing a member of another one.


The Maoists are a revolutionary organisation with a very clear goal of smashing the state and building a radically different Nepal based on the empowerment of ordinary working people, and if trade unions and workers generally participate in bandhs in support of this revlutionary agenda that means a hell of a lot more than a strike in support of a pay increase.

I think that building a revolutionary proletarian territory throughout the Indian subcontinent is important, which is why I have linked what's happening in India with Nepal.

All of the Indian territories are intrinsically linked, as are the religions existing in all of them, there are attacks against basically those of every religion there, from Christianity to Hare Krishna, we need to disassociate from the view of them as independent republics and building a socialism in each republic differently. We need to focus on building solidarity between all religions and not be ethnoreligious, nationalistic nor patriotic and build the correct bridges between all workers' struggles in the Indian subcontinent.

pranabjyoti
1st November 2009, 15:09
Nah, they are sincere. Maoists in the third world often want to improve things for the masses. Sadly, their means to break with the dominant social order are terribly inadequate. The experience of maoism in China was that it worked as an icebreaker to eliminate remaining feudalism, so capitalism later could thrive. I guess India's situation is fairly more complicated.
Well, in that case, that too is progress for mankind. What you have said means the capitalists of those third world countries like China, India were just INCAPABLE, a far cry from their European counterparts. So, the proletariat have to take the responsibility of the unfinished job of the bourgeoisie.
On the other hand, the being of feudalism and its remains is a very important condition of imperialism to exist. So, by destroying feudalism and its remains in those Asiatic countries, they are serving the proletariat.

chegitz guevara
1st November 2009, 16:37
Actually yeah I do. I think Operation Green Hunt will be a total failure and the Naxalites will emerge from it stronger. Do you really think the NLF had a chance against the USA? ;-)

Technically, the NLF didn't beat the United States. In fact, most every thing I've read states that they were destroyed as a force by the Tet Offensive. After Tet, the Vietnam War was between the United States and North Vietnam.

Whether or not the Naxalites will win depends largely on the competence of the Indian military. It they are a modern, professional army, the Naxalites will be suppressed. If they are as incompetent and corrupt as nearly every other aspect of Indian government (which is rather likely), then the Naxalites have little to fear directly. The United States is, however, training the Indian military.

red cat
1st November 2009, 16:51
The Indian military is quite powerful, modern and professional and it will not will not be able to suppress the Maoists. The Maoists are simply too clever, dedicated and numerous for that.

chegitz guevara
1st November 2009, 17:00
Che Guevara was clever and dedicated too. And the Indian military vastly outnumbers the Naxalites.

Dimentio
1st November 2009, 17:00
What an utterly mechanical way to look at it. It isn't due to complex political struggles within China that reverted it to capitalism, it's just because it was Maoism! It's almost like it's impossible for Maoists to go any other way if they seize the state through People's War (and other tactics when suitable, which Nepal has demonstrated) there's no other way it can go than just abolishing fuedalism and then restoring capitalism. No look at any deep, complex debates happening within the Maoist movement (such as Bhattarai's thinking of ways to exert more worker's control than in previous socialist models), again, it's just because it's Maoism. :rolleyes: You read it in some history textbook so therefore every Maoist-led revolution is gonna turn out exactly the same.

Not really. But countries cannot achieve socialism without an industrial base established. There would be no means for a country which lacks the capacity to feed its entire population to achieve socialism within one generation. Moreover, vanguard parties tend to eat all dissenters. And since the party leadership also ends upp as the national leadership, they will fall under increased risk of falling under control of revisionist elements wanting to utilise the resources of the state for their own physical well-being.

red cat
1st November 2009, 18:44
Che Guevara was clever and dedicated too. And the Indian military vastly outnumbers the Naxalites.

But these guys have a mass base, which Che failed to create in Bollivia.

Sure, it does outnumber the PLGA. But that was even the post-WW2 situation in China before the GMD forces revolted.

chegitz guevara
1st November 2009, 20:06
But these guys have a mass base, which Che failed to create in Bollivia.

Sure, it does outnumber the PLGA. But that was even the post-WW2 situation in China before the GMD forces revolted.

It's true Che failed to build a mass base. It's also true that the mass base of the Maoists in India is especially susceptible to being destroyed, as it consists largely of "tribals."

RHIZOMES
1st November 2009, 20:27
Not really. But countries cannot achieve socialism without an industrial base established. There would be no means for a country which lacks the capacity to feed its entire population to achieve socialism within one generation.

So the Maoists are now completely incapable of industrializing their country?


Moreover, vanguard parties tend to eat all dissenters. And since the party leadership also ends upp as the national leadership, they will fall under increased risk of falling under control of revisionist elements wanting to utilise the resources of the state for their own physical well-being.

Yeah just ignore the fact that the CPN(M) has done quite a bit of damning analysis on the failures of previous models of socialism. Actually sorry, I know you aren't ignoring it, it's just you know fuck-all about the Nepal revolution from your little Eurocentric armchair. Onward the proletarian anarcho-technocrat revolution! :rolleyes:

Das war einmal
1st November 2009, 20:52
There are reports now of tensions between China/Pakistan and India. Even talks about warfare, anybody familiar with this news?

scarletghoul
1st November 2009, 23:08
Yes there has been increased tension recently, with India strengthening its military at the border.

It would be cool if the Maoists in India (and maybe Nepal) took advantage of the Sino-Indian contradiction to get support and aid from the PRC.

the last donut of the night
1st November 2009, 23:23
Oh boy. This has already turned into a tendency war.

Anyways, this incident shows us what capitalism is. Not a force for democracy, not a force for the common good, and most certainly not a liberating movement.

The Kondh people are experiencing capitalism without disguises. I like how Upton Sinclair described it in The Jungle (this before he became a wimpy Democrat):

It was the incarnation of blind insensenate Greed. It was a monster devouring with a thousand mouths, trampling with a thousand hoofs: it was the Great Butcher -- it was the spirit of Capitalism made flesh.

Entire lives, communities, cultures, and minds are crushed by the greed of profit.

scarletghoul
1st November 2009, 23:29
I doubt if the revisionist Chinese government would aid revolutionaries.
Well the Maoists are a force aiming to topple the Indian state, which is also an enemy of China, so its quite possible they could allie, not for proletarian internationalism, but for realpolitik.

the last donut of the night
2nd November 2009, 00:22
Well the Maoists are a force aiming to topple the Indian state, which is also an enemy of China, so its quite possible they could allie, not for proletarian internationalism, but for realpolitik.

And what good would that do? Even if such an alliance were to happen, the revolutionary movement would be crushed or reformed into something useless. It happened in the Spanish Civil War, for example.

pranabjyoti
2nd November 2009, 02:51
Che Guevara was clever and dedicated too. And the Indian military vastly outnumbers the Naxalites.
It seemed that you are willing so.

red cat
2nd November 2009, 03:56
Well the Maoists are a force aiming to topple the Indian state, which is also an enemy of China, so its quite possible they could allie, not for proletarian internationalism, but for realpolitik.

It might not happen that way. The CPI(Maoist) identifies revisionism as the number-one enemy of the ongoing revolutions. In this context it specifically names four countries which are revisionist and will be ideologically fought against by the CPI(Maoist). These countries are China, North Korea, Cuba and Vietnam.

Also, China shares borders with India. So it could prove militarily disastrous for the CPI(Maoist) to let them in(recall China's policy towards revisionist USSR). Moreover, the CPI(Marxist), a revisionist party against which the the CPI(Maoist) has engages in fierce military struggle, is mostly an agent of growing Chinese imperialism(the US too controls a portion). So indirectly these guys are already fighting China.

And as from China's point of view, considering the glorious revolutionary history of the Chinese people and the ripening objective conditions there, I think that the it will either seal its borders to prevent interaction betweeen Chinese and Indian revolutionaries, or move in for a quick kill and invade India soon after the revolution.

chegitz guevara
2nd November 2009, 04:28
It seemed that you are willing so.

No, I'm trying to see with my mind, not with my heart. I've been a socialist for twenty years. The whole time people have always said, we're gonna win this time. It's the revolution for sure! This time we really mean it! Old joke goes, communists have predicted ten of the last three recessions.

In most of the photos of seen of the Naxalites, I've seen old rifles and bows and arrows. I'm not filled with confidence. I'll give them what support I can, but don't expect me to believe this time for sure.

red cat
2nd November 2009, 05:43
In most of the photos of seen of the Naxalites, I've seen old rifles and bows and arrows. I'm not filled with confidence. I'll give them what support I can, but don't expect me to believe this time for sure.

The bows and arrows are generally for public demonstrations. These are not considered as weapons by the Indian state and hence any person possessing them cannot be arrested for having illegal weapons. Also, most of the tribals, as far as I have heard, are excellent in actually using traditional weapons. These can serve better than guns while night-raids(which have to be silent) on enemy camps. The history of the numerous tribal rebellions in India tell us that the tribals know of a certain poisonous plant(Maoists have not been heard of using this yet) whose sap(koonch?) they apply on their arrow tips. This can cause quick death if the arrow causes even a minor cut and manages to introduce it to the blood-stream. Traditional weapons can be quite handy in a guerrilla war. But as of now, the Maoists have been reported to possess a number of Kalashnikovs and rocket-launchers.

Moreover, once the government forces carrying modern weapons step into the war, the arms problem will be solved.

"In establishing our own war industry we must not allow ourselves to become dependent on it. Our basic policy is to rely on the war industries of the imperialist countries and of our domestic enemy. We have a claim on the output of the arsenals of London as well as of Hanyang, and, what is more, it is delivered to us by the enemy's transport corps. This is the sober truth, it is not a jest." - Mao Dze Dong