Race intelligence.

[RED ARMY FACTION]

Watched channel 4 documentary where a man goes through places like america south africa to find out why some scientists, two nobel peace prize winners, say that each person is in a racial cast for their intelligence.
Black average IQ 70
white average iq 100
asian average iq 103

I am pissed off because all their theories are so debunked by hardly any research, but are these guys racist.
They were both white, they said whites are inferior to asians though, so i am not sure if they are racist bastards or they are just insane.
They did not take in that black people in the third world have poor educational facilities, ones in the first world have harder social hurdles to face, in my opinion anyway, and it showed a school set up to give poor young mostly black kids to have good schooling from good teachers, it showed if you have as good a schooling enviorement as whiote middle class kid, you will be as smart no matter what race, why dont people try and stop these racist views from getting to the youth, i feel these sort of false biased racist views should not be allowed under free speech, i am quite pissed off channel 4 showed it, even if it made them look like fools.

[Kayser_Soso]

Watched channel 4 documentary where a man goes through places like america south africa to find out why some scientists, two nobel peace prize winners, say that each person is in a racial cast for their intelligence.
Black average IQ 70
white average iq 100
asian average iq 103

I am pissed off because all their theories are so debunked by hardly any research, but are these guys racist.
They were both white, they said whites are inferior to asians though, so i am not sure if they are racist bastards or they are just insane.
They did not take in that black people in the third world have poor educational facilities, ones in the first world have harder social hurdles to face, in my opinion anyway, and it showed a school set up to give poor young mostly black kids to have good schooling from good teachers, it showed if you have as good a schooling enviorement as whiote middle class kid, you will be as smart no matter what race, why dont people try and stop these racist views from getting to the youth, i feel these sort of false biased racist views should not be allowed under free speech, i am quite pissed off channel 4 showed it, even if it made them look like fools.

That sounds like the guys who wrote The Bell Curve. Yes, their research has long since been debunked, but it is interesting to note that the claims about Asians having higher IQs are an actual reversal of older theories about the intelligence of "Mongoloids". Why did this happen? Because of the rise of Japan and Korea mainly. If whites were so superior, it wouldn't make sense that they were starting to be put on their heels by the Japanese in certain fields. So a compromise was made where racist scientists would claim that certain East Asians had higher IQs, which could conveniently explain things such as why the US lost in Korea and Vietnam, why Japan was kicking ass in technology and the auto world, etc.

[RED ARMY FACTION]

dont you think exposing children to these downright racist views should be against the law.
The youth already have enough bullshit to see through

[Kayser_Soso]

dont you think exposing children to these downright racist views should be against the law.
The youth already have enough bullshit to see through


Troll detector is starting to beep.

[RED ARMY FACTION]

wtf you talking about, i am against the views and think they should be banned.
How does this make me a troll.
fuck me

[RED ARMY FACTION]

if anti semitism was made illegal, we wouldnt have sat back and let genocide happen.
If we make racism illegal we can prevent racial tension from spreading

[Kayser_Soso]

if anti semitism was made illegal, we wouldnt have sat back and let genocide happen.
If we make racism illegal we can prevent racial tension from spreading


I think a better idea is understanding and attacking the roots of racism. As long as we live in a bourgeois society, there is no point to trying to ban all expressions of racism- there are far more examples of subtle racism that are all throughout the media, hardly noticed, and yet do far more to set people on the path to real life discrimination. For every skinhead in the US, there must be tens of thousands of otherwise "liberal" people, who voted for Obama but won't call back a job applicant because the name on the form looks like a "black name". And that is precisely the kind of racism that does the most damage, in so many ways.

[RED ARMY FACTION]

racism stems from either, lack of education, racist influences, insecurity and most prevelent among republicans in the us, fucking hatred for anything that isnt white rich and christian.
Race is so unimportant, why does anyone care about your skin colour, you have to be a pretty fucking stupid person to put people into racial boxes.

[Kayser_Soso]

racism stems from either, lack of education, racist influences, insecurity and most prevelent among republicans in the us, fucking hatred for anything that isnt white rich and christian.
Race is so unimportant, why does anyone care about your skin colour, you have to be a pretty fucking stupid person to put people into racial boxes.

Then the solution is more education, the overthrow of the bourgeois media system, and the encouragement of critical thinking. Saying the bourgeois state should outlaw it isn't going to do much. For one thing, in many countries it is practically outlawed, and yet it doesn't seem to help. It makes martyrs out of scumbags if anything.

[larrym]

is banning free speech not racist in itself

[RED ARMY FACTION]

true, but i dont see us having revolution anytime soon.
so we need to make progress in this bourgesie society

[RED ARMY FACTION]

and no banning free speech is a good thing, so people dont act like some people in america who go round with swastikas and shouting racist slogans at neo nazi rallies, they should all be done

[Bud Struggle]

and no banning free speech is a good thing, so people dont act like some people in america who go round with swastikas and shouting racist slogans at neo nazi rallies, they should all be done

Letting people who want to run around and play Nazis is a good thing. When they are out in the open and doing their wacky things everyone could see what fools they are. It's when they have to go into hiding that they become dangerous.

And Happy Birthday RAF!

[RED ARMY FACTION]

cheers comrade.

[progressive_lefty]

Troll detector is starting to beep.

+1

[Kayser_Soso]

is banning free speech not racist in itself


Uh....what??

[scarletghoul]

Yeah I dont understand that at all lol.

Happy birthday RAF.

[RED ARMY FACTION]

thanks mate.

[Module]

A higher average IQ for 'asians' (and according to the OP higher than 'whites' by only 3 points as opposed to 'blacks' having a lower average IQ than 'whites' by 30) is probably just a compromise to make these claims seem more reasonable.

[Havet]

if anti semitism was made illegal, we wouldnt have sat back and let genocide happen.
If we make racism illegal we can prevent racial tension from spreading

If guns were made illegal we wouldn't have crime...

Oh wait...:rolleyes:

[Zanthorus]

I still have yet to see anyone describe 'Race' as a meaningful concept.

[Durruti's Ghost]

I still have yet to see anyone describe 'Race' as a meaningful concept.

Exactly. We don't divide people into overarching social categories by the thickness of their hair or the size of their nipples; why should we divide them by the color of their skin?

Ultimately, race itself is just a social construct stemming from historical class relations and xenophobia.

[danyboy27]

Black average IQ 70
white average iq 100
asian average iq 103
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well, i havnt seen the documentary but that might be true, but not beccause of the race.

for exemple people in africa are not dumb, they are just not educated, and that dirrectly linked to their povrety, not their race.

both asian and white society tend to put an emphasis toward education, mainly beccause they have the mean to do so, resulting in a higher number of well educated person.

if you put the racial factor out of the equation these number make sense, i think.

then again i reject any theories about racial supremacy or any batshit nonsense like that.

[Kayser_Soso]

well, i havnt seen the documentary but that might be true, but not beccause of the race.

for exemple people in africa are not dumb, they are just not educated, and that dirrectly linked to their povrety, not their race.

both asian and white society tend to put an emphasis toward education, mainly beccause they have the mean to do so, resulting in a higher number of well educated person.

if you put the racial factor out of the equation these number make sense, i think.

then again i reject any theories about racial supremacy or any batshit nonsense like that.


I am sure African societies also put a high emphasis on education, but the means usually isn't there. That being said, if that statistic is even correct, there is a far more glaring factor that might bring the African average down- malnutrition can have an effect on IQ.

Of course all that being said, this is really irrelevant, as IQ has for a long time been questioned as valuable measure of intelligence. Intelligence is not something that can be measured so easily. I remember in James Randi's book "Flim-Flam", he talked about how MENSA's publication was loaded with ads for all kinds of paranormal nonsense- IQ and critical thinking clearly don't go hand in hand.

[Demogorgon]

There was an attempt to carry out IQ tests in schools in Australia once and the scores for white children were normal but those for aboriginal children were low, and by low I mean really low, we are talking about levels that would indicate inability to feed and dress themselves without assistance. Plainly those were not accurate results and it was thought that it might be because of cultural bias in the tests, so they were re-written and administered again and this time the aboriginal children scored well and the white children got very low scores.

Draw your own conclusions for that.

Also even if we presume the tests to have much meaning then the results shown here are still ridiculous. First of all 70 is about the cut off line for "normality". If it is average for blacks then a substantial portion of the population should be mentally retarded, and empirical evidence simply doesn't bare that out.

Secondly, and here is the real kicker, so far as I understand it, those results shouldn't be mathematically possible unless they were reached using different measurements (there are different types of IQ scale that are not comparable). The tests don't give raw scores, they standardise results around a median. That median is 100. So if whites are substantially more intelligent than blacks and blacks make up a reasonable portion of the population then-presuming consistent methodology-it shouldn't be possible for whites to be scoring an average standardised score of a hundred. The only way that score could be reached if we presume whites are more intelligent, is to have tested only whites.

Either they administered different kinds of tests on whites and blacks, made up the figures or administered a very dodgy tests with a very low number of blacks (so as not to affect the overall average) taken from a very disadvantaged group and put them up against a substantial number of non-disadvantaged whites. Even then I don't see how whites could have average at 100, unless they used quite a lot of Asians and very few blacks indeed.

[KarlMarx1989]

They did not take in that black people in the third world have poor educational facilities
Not to mention the fact that many school systems in the US are biased towards rich white kids. Especially the ones that are in small towns and rural areas.

I've attended schools in big small towns: Lebanon, Indiana - Warsaw, Indiana - Wawasee area in Indiana (a rural area). Lebanon is a small town about 15 minutes north of Indianapolis and is, basically, an all white very christian community. There were some black people in town but they were constantly made fun of, especially the middle school kids. In Warsaw, there are some Mexican families and very few black families. The Warsaw Community School Corporation does not recognize Martin Luther King Jr. Day as any sort of holiday. They don't even recognize it. I've gone around to ask why and all the white people say its because the school district is a predominately white area and there are only a few "different" people so they don't have to go out of their way for just a few people. All their answers were the same. :cursing: Anyway, I haven't seen any fair treatment to anyone who is not a rich white kid in school. I think that this is one of the reasons why studies on education turn out that way in christian-America.

In all the places I've lived, well except for Lafayette in Indiana; there have been a presence of the KKK. I have told people, and most don't seem to believe me. I have always thought that they know, they just want to support them and not give them away to the general public who would be against them...or something. I don't know, all I know is that there does seem to be a sort of a "white-supremacy" mentality in almost all of christian-America.

[Calmwinds]

Poor educational facilities have nothing to do about it, it most likely is a case of malnutrition holding back IQ in southern africa. Education is not considered to be too large or even a determinant at all in IQ.

Also, where was the Bell Curve debunked? Don't get me wrong, I am a socialist because of the results of the bell curve.

Cultural bias that can be said in response to IQ tests most likely indicate shitty tests, but poor ability across a certain population in numerical reasoning does not have much to do with cultural biases.

http:/!/www!.paulcooijmans.com/intelligence/validity.html

[Kayser_Soso]

Poor educational facilities have nothing to do about it, it most likely is a case of malnutrition holding back IQ in southern africa. Education is not considered to be too large or even a determinant at all in IQ.

Also, where was the Bell Curve debunked? Don't get me wrong, I am a socialist because of the results of the bell curve.

Cultural bias that can be said in response to IQ tests most likely indicate shitty tests, but poor ability across a certain population in numerical reasoning does not have much to do with cultural biases.

http:/!/www!.paulcooijmans.com/intelligence/validity.html

The Bell Curve I believe was handily debunked by Tim Wise IIRC, among others. I believe Stephen Gould also took it on. But more importantly is the question of whether IQ is a valid measure of intelligence, capability, etc.

[Dimentio]

Even if the Bell Curve was correct, it wouldn't make sense to discriminate people due to median intelligence. The idea that human value is connected to intelligence is disgusting.

[Invincible Summer]

This kind of shit is just racists trying to use sociological research to justify their racism.

[Havet]

Even if the Bell Curve was correct, it wouldn't make sense to discriminate people due to median intelligence. The idea that human value is connected to intelligence is disgusting.

well technically people tend to value more intelligent humans, but I get your point

You should focus, if i may suggest, on the idiotic connection racists engage in that people should be judged upon before acting.

As far as understanding of consciousness goes, people have a choice to murder or not, so much as anyone has a choice to choose anything, so its perfectly rational to judge people on their actions, even if those actions are genetically rooted.