CASTROS SiSTER SPIED FOR THE CIA FOR FIFTY YEARS.

[RED ARMY FACTION]

castros sister has said she has spied on her brother for the CIA for fifty years, fuck me this is bad news if it is true.

[yuon]

Why is it bad news? She obviously didn't pass on anything that lead to a destruction of the Cuban "socialist experiment". Indeed, I would say, that, if true, it shows an incompetence on the part of the US intelligence apparatus, or, competence on the part of the Cubans.

Also, do you have a link for that "news"?

:lol:

[RED ARMY FACTION]

its on the bbc matey

[Radical]

If this is true, this traitor and counter-revolutionary must be executed like the dog she is.

I trust in Castro to put the Revolution before his blood.

[Bud Struggle]

I trust in Castro to put the Revolution before his blood.

Which Castro are you talking about? Fidel or his brother Raul. :D

[Wanted Man]

She left Cuba for Miami in the 1960s...

[red cat]

There is one in every family.....

[Pogue]

If this is true, this traitor and counter-revolutionary must be executed like the dog she is.

I trust in Castro to put the Revolution before his blood.

Why do you insist on constantly talking like the biggest stereotype of some sort of Red Army WW2 Officer?

[RED ARMY FACTION]

why are you such a trouble causing liberal

[Radical]

Why do you insist on constantly talking like the biggest stereotype of some sort of Red Army WW2 Officer?

Why do you insist on sitting on my dick everytime I fucking post?

[Pogue]

Why do you insist on sitting on my dick everytime I fucking post?

Why do you insist on posting like that though. It just reveals your little fantasy to want to be Che Guevara, you've taken to posting in a dramatic style alikened to 20th century socialist propoganda whenever you post, your post style is dramatic and delusional, as if you're trying to portray to us how hardcore and militant you are. Its a bit pathetic.

[proudcomrade]

I figured that the English-speaking news world would get a hold of this by this morning...

IMO, she is little more than an opportunist- supported the Revolution for a while because she thought that it would improve her own daily life; bailed on it when she didn't like the icky business of putting down counterrevolutionaries; fucked off to Miami to open up a bourgeois business and turned traitor for the CIA; finally, turned against the USA after using it for what it was worth, and commenced to using Mexico for a spell before, once again, fucking back off to good old Miami- all with Raul's help.

Poor compañero Fidel; between this and his servant-holding father, he sure does come from a long line of 'em. It can't be easy being the only sane member of that family...

[NecroCommie]

Why do you insist on posting like that though. It just reveals your little fantasy to want to be Che Guevara, you've taken to posting in a dramatic style alikened to 20th century socialist propoganda whenever you post, your post style is dramatic and delusional, as if you're trying to portray to us how hardcore and militant you are. Its a bit pathetic.
One could always name certain anarchists who insists on rubbing their extreme anarchism on other people's faces, even when their political position is obvious beforehand. Who these personalities are, and whether you belong to them or not is not for me to discuss. I simply pointed this out so that you might realize how some things, no matter how irritating, are not worth rising a bloody fight for. Especially considering that such causes are doomed to achieve nothing else than stereotyping of political ideologies on this forum.

[Pogue]

One could always name certain anarchists who insists on rubbing their extreme anarchism on other people's faces, even when their political position is obvious beforehand. Who these personalities are, and whether you belong to them or not is not for me to discuss. I simply pointed this out so that you might realize how some things, no matter how irritating, are not worth rising a bloody fight for. Especially considering that such causes are doomed to achieve nothing else than stereotyping of political ideologies on this forum.

I don't get it. Although radical's politics are atrocious, his organisation is a joke and he needs to sort his life out, in this case I was attacking his post style. I've attacked other people's post styles before. Its a valid question, he does write like a plonker.

[Axle]

Friends! Let's not fight over trivial bullshit like this, huh? Christ, the neverending tendency wars we've got here are stupid and unproductive enough.

[Pogue]

Friends! Let's not fight over trivial bullshit like this, huh? Christ, the neverending tendency wars we've got here are stupid and unproductive enough.

Part of what this website is about is fgihting in tendency wars, its fun, especially when you are right, like I am.

[scarletghoul]

pogue is a nob

[Communist Pear]

Was in the newspaper today, traitorous *****. :mad:

[Robert]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Radical http://www.revleft.com/vb/revleft/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.revleft.com/vb/showthread.php?p=1580510#post1580510)

I trust in Castro to put the Revolution before his blood.
Which Castro are you talking about? Fidel or his brother Raul. :D

Ooooooooooooooo, how delicious! Radical walked right into it, but Bud still deserves another one of those little green squares for that lick.

[Pogue]

pogue is a nob

a clever one, who manages to garner responses from you lot :rolleyes:

[Bud Struggle]

Ooooooooooooooo, how delicious! Radical walked right into it, but Bud still deserves another one of those little green squares for that lick.

Robert, these Commies don't appreciate a good Slam Dunk.

And they think they can rule the world. :rolleyes::lol:

[Robert]

Well, Bud, somehow you managed to get another little green rep pillow dealey-o by your name. Color me green with envy!

Cordially,

Raul. I mean Rob.

I Need to get this keyboard checked.

[LeninBalls]

Part of what this website is about is fgihting in tendency wars, its fun, especially when you are right, like I am.

no im right

[robbo203]

If this is true, this traitor and counter-revolutionary must be executed like the dog she is.

I trust in Castro to put the Revolution before his blood.

The lengths to which some people will go to defend this pathetic state capitalist dictatorship!

[proudcomrade]

If this is true, this traitor and counter-revolutionary must be executed like the dog she is.

I trust in Castro to put the Revolution before his blood.

Normally, I am on your side, but that's a little harsh, IMO.

She may be a traitor; but the poor old lady is 76 years old and working peacefully in a pharmacy in Miami. It's not like she's running around the island leading cells of counterrevolutionary terrorists or something. She never killed or wounded a comrade; never aided the invasion of Playa Girón.

She spends her elderly years dispensing medicine to the sick. As much as we hate her political beliefs, the poor thing has a right to live. What sort of socialists are without human mercy?

[Dr Mindbender]

Why do you insist on constantly talking like the biggest stereotype of some sort of Red Army WW2 Officer?

Maybe he is, maybe he was entombed in a Russian ice pack at the time and has only recently thawed out.

:D

[Radical]

Normally, I am on your side, but that's a little harsh, IMO.

She may be a traitor; but the poor old lady is 76 years old and working peacefully in a pharmacy in Miami. It's not like she's running around the island leading cells of counterrevolutionary terrorists or something. She never killed or wounded a comrade; never aided the invasion of Playa Girón.

She spends her elderly years dispensing medicine to the sick. As much as we hate her political beliefs, the poor thing has a right to live. What sort of socialists are without human mercy?

We must not show leniency just because she is an old women. This women has directly aided an imperialist country that has waged a savage economic blockade that has cost the lives of tens of thousands of innocent people. Those secret agents that ploy for the greatest terrorist organisation in the world must be quashed.

[Robert]

Why do you insist on constantly talking like the biggest stereotype of some sort of Red Army WW2 Officer?

You know, if Radical does sound like a Soviet political officer, he at least is ideologically aligned with a real political society, not a fanciful one.

[proudcomrade]

We must not show leniency just because she is an old women. This women has directly aided an imperialist country that has waged a savage economic blockade that has cost the lives of tens of thousands of innocent people. Those secret agents that ploy for the greatest terrorist organisation in the world must be quashed.


She could be sanctioned for it in ways that do not involve capital punishment, though. To date, we are not even sure precisely what she told the fascists; and we do know that she gave them certain conditions under which she would do it. Apparently, Nixon asked some things of her that caused her to draw the line and quit. To be sure, she absolutely is a traitor; but a reckless and dangerous one, I am still not entirely convinced of that. From what little the articles tell us, it looks like it was mostly small-time stuff that never escalated that far. But, I could be wrong.

[Radical]

She could be sanctioned for it in ways that do not involve capital punishment, though. To date, we are not even sure precisely what she told the fascists; and we do know that she gave them certain conditions under which she would do it. Apparently, Nixon asked some things of her that caused her to draw the line and quit. To be sure, she absolutely is a traitor; but a reckless and dangerous one, I am still not entirely convinced of that. From what little the articles tell us, it looks like it was mostly small-time stuff that never escalated that far. But, I could be wrong.

I still support Revolutionary Justice in Cuba. The Revolution in Cuba is on-going and unstable due to being a small country in an area of great hostility. In stable society, I am against the Death Sentance. But not during Revolutionary/War times.

Although I agree, it would depend on exactly what she told the CIA that would deem her punnishment.

[proudcomrade]

I still support Revolutionary Justice in Cuba. The Revolution in Cuba is on-going and unstable due to being a small country in an area of great hostility. In stable society, I am against the Death Sentance. But not during Revolutionary/War times.

Although I agree, it would depend on exactly what she told the CIA that would deem her punnishment.

Yeah, that ends up making a big difference in the formulation of the hypothetical punishment that we would hand over for her betrayal. There is a lot that she is choosing not to say, and the whole voluntary nature of this ridiculous money/publicity stunt is a real setback. If a CDR-type committee could actually make her talk- at length- a clearer picture would undoubtedly emerge.

A few things that I would have to learn before formulating a working opinion:



What precisely was in each and every one of those messages that she smuggled in those jars?
For how long did each of her missions last; and on what terms did she agree to each of them?
To what extent was she influenced by the third party involved, that mysterious Brazilian diplomat's wife?
This one is really crucial to me: Prior to the mid-1960s start of her spying, did she have any previous history of aiding the enemy in the invasion of Girón?
Who exactly did she hide? North Americans, or all Cubans? CIA agents? Huber Matos? Gusanos smuggled back over from Miami? Or just little old ladies and cow farmers?

A few other aspects that strike me as salient are:



She was under the impression that the Revolution would be, for the most part, liberal. It is fact that Marxism was not declared until 1961. She is wrong in claiming that Fidel lied; however, he certainly did change his mind pretty radically. It could be legitimate that someone who supported a revolution for one cause is not a traitor if the conditions are suddenly changed to something that she would have opposed.
Some sort of rubric should be applied in terms of the damage done: Did her actions lead directly to death or dismemberment of comrades and/or civilians? A yes answer increases her sentence; a no answer diminishes it.
Age and gender: Female, 76, no history of violence or military training. Would it be cruel and unusual to punish her either capitally, or with imprisonment in a facility where she would surely be at extreme risk for physical abuse and/or contagious illness?

There is just so very much more that I would need to know about this whole affair before I could sit on any sort of hypothetical jury and condemn her completely. To date, we lack crucial facts.

[Robert]

Proudcomrade, if you haven't done so already, you should go to law school and become a criminal defense or civil rights lawyer.

Sincerely, you are very good at it.

[Bud Struggle]

Proudcomrade, if you haven't done so already, you should go to law school and become a criminal defense or civil rights lawyer.

Sincerely, you are very good at it.

Damn straight. He got a good mind for such thing.

[danyboy27]

If this is true, this traitor and counter-revolutionary must be executed like the dog she is.

I trust in Castro to put the Revolution before his blood.

dude be careful of what you wish for.
this forum is monitored.

[proudcomrade]

Damn straight. He got a good mind for such thing.

Thanks, you guys, I really appreciate it. I am actually in the process of applying to law school for 2010, planning on going back as a "nontrad" at age 31. We'll see how it goes. Meanwhile, this forum has been a great place for debate practice so far.

[Philanthropist]

The CIA had a close member of Castros family spying on him, and yet Cuba is still standing strong under his leadership, speaks volumes for the man really.

[Bud Struggle]

The CIA had a close member of Castros family spying on him, and yet Cuba is still standing strong under his leadership, speaks volumes for the man really.

You could say the same about Kim Il Jung ands his "family" leadership.

[Philanthropist]

You could say the same about Kim Il Jung ands his "family" leadership.
How so?

[Bud Struggle]

How so?

All good "Communists."

Seriously--it's time to reinvent Communism for a new millennium. The old order is dead.

[Philanthropist]

All good "Communists.".
I didn't even refer to the mans politics. Just to survive as long as he had, with the might of the CIA and a close member of your own family spying against you is impressive.

[scarletghoul]

a clever one, who manages to garner responses from you lot :rolleyes:
yet againn you offer no proof just ultraleftist regurgitation of the gourgeois line

wankkka