Anyone for Europe?

[RED ARMY FACTION]

i am planning to go through europe with about 40 pounds in my pocket, reason being, i want to travel through a slum in each country along the way and interview locals for a book i am writing called ;
"first world slums"

The main places i want to go are

france
italy
Northern I

i can not speak french or spanish:(, so i have been looking for someone who wants to go to europe, this way i have a touring buddy and a translator.
My mates are all single language souls, so i thought i would ask on here.
Would prefer a beautifull smart funny woman, but i dont hold out much hope.

[rebelmouse]

I started traveling before 4 years with 60 euro in my pocket. I was one year in swis, 3 months in hamburg, half year in sweden, 2 years in copenhagen, 10 days in belgium....
in any case, in france you can eat in restaurants du coeur (http://www.restosducoeur.org/presentation.php) and in italy also you can sleep in places for homeless (every place one month).
then you will really see first world slums. you can start to visit such places in your country already.

[RED ARMY FACTION]

cheers mate

[yuon]

May I suggest that you don't need to speak the language of the country you are going to. Especially in Northern Europe (where they almost all, speak English quite well). But, it will make your life a fuck-load easier. So, learn enough Spanish and French to get by. That will make Italian easier as well.

German and Russian are also useful if you want to go more into central and eastern parts of Europe (e.g. former Yugoslavia, Czech and Slovak republics, Austria, Poland, Baltic States).

Oh yeah, and wait until you are at least 21 before you do anything like this. Being officially an adult by almost all standards will make your life so much easier when dealing with filth, and other authority figures.

And 40 quid? That's, like, fuck all. Dude, don't do that, save a bit more money first. You may well be setting a limit for each country of 40 quid, but not 40 for the entire trip.

[RED ARMY FACTION]

i am leaving on my 17 birthday which is on the 27th.
want to get out of england its fucking shit.
i am booking my ticket today online, going to go paris first

[Stranger Than Paradise]

Wow, you are only 17. I am your age aswell and I don't think I would be able to do that. I would suggest trying to learn the languages of Spain and France before you go and bring some sort of reference in case you find yourself really lost. Good luck to you

[RED ARMY FACTION]

cheers mate

[Pogue]

wow, an english tourist is going to go and 'interview' the poorest of the poor in europe's 'slums' (working class areas?), presumably in a language they don't understand

clever idea

[Conquer or Die]

wow, an english tourist is going to go and 'interview' the poorest of the poor in europe's 'slums' (working class areas?), presumably in a language they don't understand

clever idea

I'll assume that you're a little girl about the idea instead of drawing some comparison to Orwell.

To the OP: Guevara was transformed by the events around him, not injecting his preconceived notions into his activities. Keep that in mind.

[Pogue]

I'll assume that you're a little girl about the idea instead of drawing some comparison to Orwell.

To the OP: Guevara was transformed by the events around him, not injecting his preconceived notions into his activities. Keep that in mind.

Firstly, nice sexism there chum, secondly, what the fuck are you talking about?

[RED ARMY FACTION]

i want to do it, just because i am interested in it.
no notions of orwellien perceived nobility.
Who knows, maybe it will be fun.

[yuon]

I'll assume that you're a little girl about the idea instead of drawing some comparison to Orwell.

What the fuck is that supposed to mean?

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RAF: May I strongly suggest that you don't push your politics on anyone, you don't go into "slums" on your own. You do just travel and be a tourist. And that, even if you don't think so, you are too young to do what you want to do.

Sure, fine, travel. But, being 17, it is a lot easier to be taken advantage of than if you are (for example) 21. And, at 25, you'll know so much more that you didn't know at 21.

You probably hate your parents for saying stuff like that to you, but, well, fuck it's true! I did something really stupid when I was about 19 (I got caught, the actual act I don't regret, it was the getting caught). That's come up for so many things. Insurance, "got any criminal offences?", volunteering, "got any criminal offences?" etc.

Sure, travelling around Europe isn't quite in the same league as smashing up a bank or a police car (not that I did either thing). But, if you travel with political purposes in mind, with the aim of trying to talk to people about politics, in a country where you don't know the language (really easy to be misunderstood)... Try not to get killed is what I'm trying to say.

:blink:

[RED ARMY FACTION]

and pogue your a miserable bastard:)

[RED ARMY FACTION]

i have a criminal record so its hard for work and stuff for me aswell.
and after living in the shithole of manchester i am streetwise enough to look after myself i think.
thanks for the advice yuon

[Pogue]

i think its really patronising, its treating their povety as some sort of spectacle for you to be 'interested' in.

[RED ARMY FACTION]

no its not, i am not doing it in a communist perspective.
I just want to find and write about the living conditions of first world slums.
i wont involve politics at all.

Also how the fuck is it patronizing, lets just ignore the issue then

[bcbm]

what exactly do you think is going to happen when you walk into a "slum," and start trying to talk to people (in a language that is not theirs) while taking notes and photographs?

[Il Medico]

i think its really patronising, its treating their povety as some sort of spectacle for you to be 'interested' in.
This.

If you want to travel, fine. But don't run around looking for people living in poverty so you can patronized them with your "I am going to live among the people so I can feel bad and write a book" bullshit. The last thing people struggling to get by need is some kid running around treating their lives like some sort of spectacle .

[RED ARMY FACTION]

maybe they will be the stereotype you are portraying and stab me while smoking crack and selling smack to children.
Asshole:rolleyes:

[RED ARMY FACTION]

also i come from a poor family too but you sound like a middle class smug git

[Pogue]

no its not, i am not doing it in a communist perspective.
I just want to find and write about the living conditions of first world slums.
i wont involve politics at all.

Also how the fuck is it patronizing, lets just ignore the issue then

no, lets not ignore it, lets supprot their struggles, not go and poke them with a stick then write about it.

[LeninBalls]

also i come from a poor family too

So why the need to "interview" other poor families? If you already know what a 1st world slum is, apparently.

[Pogue]

maybe they will be the stereotype you are portraying and stab me while smoking crack and selling smack to children.
Asshole:rolleyes:

maybe they will tell you to fuck off and leave them alone.


maybe they will be the stereotype you are portraying and stab me while smoking crack and selling smack to children.
Asshole:rolleyes:

No, maybe, after a long days work, they will let this unknown English traveller into their house so he can listen to how miserable their lives are.

:rolleyes:

[bcbm]

maybe they will be the stereotype you are portraying and stab me while smoking crack and selling smack to children.

or they'll get as far away from you as possible because they'll think your a cop. :rolleyes:

[RED ARMY FACTION]

why write about anything, because i want to.
because i enjoy writing, and am interested in the subject.
do i think i will help anyone, no, but i think i want to write about it so thats what i will do.
Did protesting griffin on question time change anything, did it fuck, but you thought it was a great idea

[RED ARMY FACTION]

and the working class are not all criminals, so why will they be afraid of a cop.
you really love the stereotypes.

[Pogue]

why write about anything, because i want to.
because i enjoy writing, and am interested in the subject.
do i think i will help anyone, no, but i think i want to write about it so thats what i will do.
Did protesting griffin on question time change anything, did it fuck, but you thought it was a great idea

I went more for fun than anything, actually. But obviously direct action can acheive alot, alot more than talking to poor people but not actually doing anything for them will.

Anyway that doesn't take away from the fact your fulfilling some pathetic sense of self satsifaction by going off and patronising the poor and you will fail because its a stupid idea.

[bcbm]

and the working class are not all criminals, so why will they be afraid of a cop.

not only criminals hate cops. in most "slums" the police act as an occupying army and so most people dislike or distrust them. there are often racial issues involved as well.

[RED ARMY FACTION]

i am not, i dont want to do this for the people in the slum or for myself, i just think it would make a insightfull read.
It will be more about the state of the housing and how the places became slums etc.
I am not the kind of guy who patronizes fellow working class people, i dont understand why a supposed red is attcking me for writing about something.

[bcbm]

i don't think anyone is attacking you for wanting to write. they're pointing out that what you're proposing is a really poorly thought out idea.

[RED ARMY FACTION]

poor plans make for great trips

or death depending on how you look at it:)

[communard resolution]

What the fuck is that supposed to mean?

I think SegaCommunist refers to George Orwell's book "Down And Out in Paris and London". Orwell did something similar to what RAF is intending to do: he 'slummed it' in two European locations and wrote a travelogue.

Today, the book is considered a classic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Down_and_Out_in_Paris_and_London

[RED ARMY FACTION]

how does the journey turn out in the book?

[NecroCommie]

Hmph, way to be constructive revleft.

But to RAF: Those dudes kinda have a point. Even if you don't mean it, the idea of interviews and photos can be misinterpited. If you just do the trip, and write about your trip as you see it, then it sheds a whole new light to this idea. The headline would go something like: "How did I fare europe with small income." Or something like that. Fine, I'll never be an author.

[RED ARMY FACTION]

i wont interview the people, i wanted someone to speak the language because it would make getting around easier.
I would interview, only if i felt it was appropriate to do so.
The book will be about my travels through these places

[Radical]

I think it is a great idea Comrade. The inequalitys and hardships of Latin America influenced Che Guevara to become the great Revolutionary he became. By writing about their hardships, you will be helping them significantly. The more Writers that talk about such evils, the more chance postitve change is likely to occur.

However, I must advise you to first study and get an education. The most powerful weapons in the world are ideas. Goto college and University, study and get a degree. Then you will be more powerful and able to change the world.

[yuon]

I think SegaCommunist refers to George Orwell's book "Down And Out in Paris and London". Orwell did something similar to what RAF is intending to do: he 'slummed it' in two European locations and wrote a travelogue.

Today, the book is considered a classic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Down_and_Out_in_Paris_and_London

What about the "little girl" comment? (Yes, I didn't get the Orwell reference first go, even though I've read that book.)

Anyway RAF, a much better idea might be to just not interview anyone in a foreign city. Just write about your experiences. And, of course, try doing it in your own country first. Being young, it's easier to explain why you're not a cop. But if you don't even speak the language...

Oh, and all working class people should hate cops.

Also, go and read Down and Out, you can download it from Russia, and I think it's also out of copyright in the UK.

[Bud Struggle]

Great idea, RAF!

I "interview" people wherever I go. I've been to Europe a dozen times and Africa and South America and to Asia. I've been to Israel and Jordan and Egypt. I haven't been to Australia and to the South Pole. I talk with everyone I meet. I usually stay with locals and never go to hotels.

People are nice--be nice back and you'll have a great time.

Oh--and in foreign countries--the police are your friends. Don't carry around any of that Bolshi baggage with you. Go to learn not teach.

[RED ARMY FACTION]

ticket booked comrades, feeling a bit guilty.
my brother just gone to middle east, now im going abroad, my mum must think i we are all abandoning her:)

[Bud Struggle]

ticket booked comrades, feeling a bit guilty.
my brother just gone to middle east, now im going abroad, my mum must think i we are all abandoning her:)

So what happened? You go to dinner?

[RED ARMY FACTION]

yeah, thought i should as i wont see him for a long time with me going to europe and him afghan, so no point in upsetting my mum more than she already is with her sons all leaving her:)

[Luís Henrique]

and the working class are not all criminals, so why will they be afraid of a cop.
you really love the stereotypes.

Do you actually think that only criminals dislike cops?

Luís Henrique

[RED ARMY FACTION]

i think gangsters do, real criminals are covered in legitemecy so they do not.

[RED ARMY FACTION]

and i dont hate all cops, some only do their job to lock up rapists peados murderers, well in cuba they have military police, if we did not have cops we would be in a state of constant mayhem

[RED ARMY FACTION]

the trick is to have communist police:)