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RED ARMY FACTION
24th October 2009, 10:42
WHAT ARE YOU AND WHY IS YOUR IDEOLOGY CORRECT

i am quite new to politics, and always considered my self marxist leninist.
but i have wanted to explore other ideologies too.

anyone a;

Maoist
trotskyite
Anarchist
marxist leninist maoist

Havet
24th October 2009, 10:57
Anarchist (Individualist anarchist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Individualist_anarchism)/market anarchist/mutualist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutualism_%28economic_theory%29))

Honggweilo
24th October 2009, 15:15
Anarchist (Individualist anarchist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Individualist_anarchism)/market anarchist/mutualist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutualism_%28economic_theory%29))

better known as libertarian

http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/e/e1/Lib-ana.gif

red cat
24th October 2009, 15:40
WHAT ARE YOU AND WHY IS YOUR IDEOLOGY CORRECT

i am quite new to politics, and always considered my self marxist leninist.
but i have wanted to explore other ideologies too.

anyone a;

Maoist
trotskyite
Anarchist
marxist leninist maoist

Maoism and Marxism-Leninism-Maoism are the same thing. Sometimes Maoists abbreviate it as Marxism too.

Rjevan
24th October 2009, 15:45
You also left out Hoxhaists and Luxemburgists.
For I am a Marxist-Leninist I think it's better that people who actually regard these tendencies as their own explain them.

danyboy27
24th October 2009, 16:11
WHAT ARE YOU AND WHY IS YOUR IDEOLOGY CORRECT

i am quite new to politics, and always considered my self marxist leninist.
but i have wanted to explore other ideologies too.

anyone a;

Maoist
trotskyite
Anarchist
marxist leninist maoist

anarchism sound good to me and make more sense than the rest of the ideologies listed above. You dont need to label yourself to be a communist tho.

Havet
24th October 2009, 16:48
better known as libertarian

http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/e/e1/Lib-ana.gif

Libertarian is an ambiguous term

There's right-libertarians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-libertarian) (which include minarchists, paleolibertarians, ancaps, corporate apologetics, etc)

and there's left-libertarians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-libertarian) (which include anarcho-communists, libertarian socialists, mutualists/market anarchists, geolibertarians, left-rothbardians, green libertarians, dialectical anarchists, radical minarchists, etc)

I'm more correctly described as a left-libertarian.

Honggweilo
24th October 2009, 17:06
Libertarian is an ambiguous term

There's right-libertarians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-libertarian) (which include minarchists, paleolibertarians, ancaps, corporate apologetics, etc)

and there's left-libertarians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-libertarian) (which include anarcho-communists, libertarian socialists, mutualists/market anarchists, geolibertarians, left-rothbardians, green libertarians, dialectical anarchists, radical minarchists, etc)

I'm more correctly described as a left-libertarian.

Well mutualists/market anarchists/poudhronists fall inbetween those distinctions i think, the social-democrats of anarchism :cool:

Havet
24th October 2009, 17:49
Well mutualists/market anarchists/poudhronists fall inbetween those distinctions i think, the social-democrats of anarchism :cool:

lol, I guess you could say that, although they have a lengthy list of criticisms of the right, especially regarding economic theory. Both (mutualists and right-libertarians) advocate a free market, but what they actually think a free market would be is where they differ.

Dejavu
24th October 2009, 19:06
lol, I guess you could say that, although they have a lengthy list of criticisms of the right, especially regarding economic theory. Both (mutualists and right-libertarians) advocate a free market, but what they actually think a free market would be is where they differ.

You let him troll you. :rolleyes:
You don't always have to explain yourself. You've done that repeatedly and patiently and some idiots still want to straw man you because they don't even respect you enough to really read what you write. I would not even make a reply or comment towards those who show you unwarranted disrespect.

Some people just can't be reasoned with, bro.

IcarusAngel
24th October 2009, 19:11
I never liked that sign. It's liberal bourgeoise - and I'm one of the ones sympathetic to liberal criticisms of capitalism.

It says: Libertarianism is anarchy for rich people, as if right Libertarianism means government is removed for the rich. It's like when IR scholars say "anarchic system of states."

However, Libertarianism is big government for the benefit of rich people - the redistribution of property to favor the rich. As Marx said, the government exists to manage the affairs of the bourgeoise.

Still, I agree with the sentiment that rich people have more freedoms in the current system.

Honggweilo
24th October 2009, 19:23
I never liked that sign. It's liberal bourgeoise - and I'm one of the ones sympathetic to liberal criticisms of capitalism.

It says: Libertarianism is anarchy for rich people, as if right Libertarianism means government is removed for the rich. It's like when IR scholars say "anarchic system of states."

However, Libertarianism is big government for the benefit of rich people - the redistribution of property to favor the rich. As Marx said, the government exists to manage the affairs of the bourgeoise.

Still, I agree with the sentiment that rich people have more freedoms in the current system.
If property and state control is a "democracy for the elite" its basically anarchy for the rich, they have no restrictions besides hostile competition
(unless its a corporate monarchy where competition has been eliminated)

Ele'ill
24th October 2009, 20:31
I don't have an ideology but I agree with a lot of anarchist criticisms of the world.

Honggweilo
24th October 2009, 20:33
I don't have an ideology but I agree with a lot of anarchist criticisms of the world.
have you been restricted for being a furry XD?

Havet
24th October 2009, 21:04
I don't have an ideology but I agree with a lot of anarchist criticisms of the world.

Hey, you haven't posted here in a while. How's it going?

Ele'ill
24th October 2009, 21:23
have you been restricted for being a furry XD?

Sillier yet, I came up with a handful of my own thoughts.




Hey, you haven't posted here in a while. How's it going?

I'm doing pretty good how about you?

Havet
24th October 2009, 21:41
I'm doing pretty good how about you?

Great as always

Skooma Addict
25th October 2009, 03:49
http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/e/e1/Lib-ana.gif


Haha. The anarchist on the right looks like your typical ignorant misguided rebel who hates authority because he is just that hardcore.

Dr Mindbender
25th October 2009, 03:51
better known as libertarian

http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/e/e1/Lib-ana.gif

More like a lolbertarian, amirite? :lol:

As for me, i am a technocrat because i believe that sustaining the institution of human menial labour is antiquated, inefficient, dehumanising, unnecessary, and synomonous with class society.

bcbm
25th October 2009, 08:19
Haha. The anarchist on the right looks like your typical ignorant misguided rebel who hates authority because he is just that hardcore.

hey, that sketch was based on me, watch it.

Pirate turtle the 11th
25th October 2009, 10:39
I am a monarchist because I believe in the divine right of kings.

RED ARMY FACTION
25th October 2009, 10:43
no way me too;).....

RHIZOMES
26th October 2009, 07:38
I'm a Marxist-Leninist who while is interested in the Russian revolution and the Trotsky vs. Stalin question, thinks dividing the left over if someone is "Stalinist" or not is fucking ridiculous. The left should be divided over the most correct modern-day tactics in organizing workers against capitalism. I have sympathies with all the revolutions going on in the world today such as Venezuela, Bolivia, Nepal, India, etc and I don't feel I should be criticizing revolutionary movements with support from the masses because they don't fit preconceived and utterly theoretical notions of what a revolution should look like, especially since the left in my country haven't been too successful in gaining popular support.

That's sort of like a run-down on how my leftist politics distinguish from other leftists. But I have more in common with other leftists than I differ.

spiltteeth
26th October 2009, 07:57
Post Maoist, I agree with a lot of Maoism, but believe surly a new evolution in its practice is needed for today's world.
I appreciate the open minded work Kasama does.
Keep an eye on the Maoists in Nepal and India

red cat
26th October 2009, 08:53
Philippines, Peru and Turkey too.

Conquer or Die
26th October 2009, 12:02
Loose Maoist-Third Worldist.

The third world is only where revolution can occur due to the fact that the first world contains a majority of parasites, be they working class or ruling class. Therefore, strikes and government handouts in wealthy societies do not constitute actions of an oppressed proletariat but rather demands of the world's middle rung of the upper class.

For example, a "working class" member in the first world would say that because of unionism and strikes and work they were able to achieve a much better standard of living because they earn more. Some of this is true, mostly it's due to the fact that they are unconsciously part of a society that inflicts total economic slavery on foreign nations which then import goods for consumer realization at super cheap prices. A working class person may say that the fault lies with the third world for not developing, not realizing that the whole development of the third world has been held back by constant occupation, imperialism, war, and slavery either through the state or through "private" interests.

Barack Obama stated his goal in the middle east was to protect Americans and democracy, which is perfectly acceptable, and also American interests. It's the American interests part which constitute the general treason of humanity that the first world puts upon the third world.

Rosa Provokateur
27th October 2009, 04:28
I'm an anarchist. I believe the State exists through means of coercion and is thus illegitimate and I don't trust anyone in power or seeking to seize power to be able to improve society by keeping the State in existence; this critique extends to communist States as well as any other. Socialism is best applied at the local level, any attempt to nationalize or internationalize it can only lead to failure including either mass starvation or supression of liberty.

Kronos
27th October 2009, 04:35
Nietzschean Meritocratic Representational Democratic State-Socialist Fascist Eugenicist, if I must. But since that will never happen, I suppose I'm an anarcho-primitivist. Every man for himself, then, and enjoy your stay.

RGacky3
27th October 2009, 04:57
t since that will never happen, I suppose I'm an anarcho-primitivist. Every man for himself, then, and enjoy your stay.

Ultimately every ideology is "every man for himself, then and enjoy your stay."

RED ARMY FACTION
27th October 2009, 09:53
thanks guys.

Dejavu
27th October 2009, 18:22
http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/e/e1/Lib-ana.gif
Actually looks like a Father/Son sketch. I would not be surprised if this parent-child dynamic was indicative of reality.