Did Lenin kill prostitutes?

[jenny]

At Kieran Allen's talk 'The return of Marx' the question was raised from the floor about genocide of prostitutes carried out by Lenin. He dismissed it as nonsense and even got a laugh from such a serious accusation. Does anyone have proof, for or against?

[Andrei Kuznetsov]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v324/AndreiX/MISTYWHAT.jpg

I... I have never heard such a claim, and I have no idea why he would. Lenin stood firmly for the liberation of women: the gained the right to vote, the right to fight in a people's army, the right to abortion, divorce, and birth control, the right to take office and the right to equal pay for equal work. He also spearheaded the struggle against patriarchy and old values that oppressed women in their personal lives and in the home.

Lenin wanted women to break FREE from the chains of prostitution and being treated as commodities; I fail to see why he would think killing them would be a good idea.

I mean, seriously, where did this person get this idea?

[Random Precision]

What I want to know is whether he killed them before or after having sex with them. Moved to Learning.

[Communist Pear]

At Kieran Allen's talk 'The return of Marx' the question was raised from the floor about genocide of prostitutes carried out by Lenin. He dismissed it as nonsense and even got a laugh from such a serious accusation. Does anyone have proof, for or against?

Why is it weird that he laughed? That's just ridiculous. I would have laughed too. I don't see where somebody could have gotten that idea, the U$ would never use it as propaganda, the conservative Christians would love a genocide of prostitutes. :D

[Durruti's Ghost]

That...doesn't sound like a very Lenin-esque thing to do. Sure, Lenin had his issues, but he wasn't Jack the Ripper.

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

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............ Lenin
.......................................... Yorkshire Ripper

[Искра]

This could be my best thread:laugh:

[Искра]

That...doesn't sound like a very Lenin-esque thing to do. Sure, Lenin had his issues, but he wasn't Jack the Ripper.
Yeah, Lenin keeps high score.

[Incendiarism]

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Not even Lenin was outside of The Game. I don't think he ever killed any prostitutes, but he was quick to show his pimp hand.

[Andrei Kuznetsov]

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Not even Lenin was outside of The Game. I don't think he ever killed any prostitutes, but he was quick to show his pimp hand.

This thread just got fantastically amazing.

[tehpevis]

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Not even Lenin was outside of The Game. I don't think he ever killed any prostitutes, but he was quick to show his pimp hand.

Mind Status: Blowned.
Yes, my mind has just been simeltaneously Blowed and Owned.

[Dante the Marxist]

Well, the guy did some nasty things, but that is just TOO much...

On the other hand, I do consider him something of a mental case....

[ArrowLance]

To state it simply first; no Lenin did NOT kill prostitutes. That simply isn't anything Lenin would do. I would have to laugh too, such an off the wall ridiculous claim.

[9]

If the OP was serious, I just did a quick google search for "Lenin killed prostitutes" and the first return was for this very thread. I saw no other sources which leveled this claim, and considering how many people hate Lenin, I would certainly assume there would be other sources making similar claims if it had a shred of truth to it.
On the other hand, anarchist sources report that Lenin ate five babies a day...:rolleyes:

[Искра]

On the other hand, anarchist sources report that Lenin ate five babies a day...:rolleyes:Leninist sources, like Pravda (which is highly recommended not-biased historical document), report that anarchist in Ukraina exterminated Jews and that Kronstandt rebellion was lead by White Generals. :rolleyes:

On the other hand anarchist sources report that Lenin and his Party were contra-revolutionary, and I haven't read anything about "eating babies" or anything for which you could use such metamorphose.

EDIT: And, yeah this thread is stupid. But I have to ask this: If there were prostitutes in Soviet Union, how was it better than capitalism?

[9]

^It's a joke.

[Искра]

^It's a joke.
But its stupid, like sexist jokes :tt2:

[Plagueround]

Hmmm...this thread is very chatty. And chitty.

Moved.

[bcbm]

On the other hand, anarchist sources report that Lenin ate five babies a day... no, he only ate two. the other three were merely thrown off cliffs to packs of hungry wolves.

[9]

no, he only ate two. the other three were merely thrown off cliffs to packs of hungry wolves.

That's right, my memory was a bit blurry.

[Honggweilo]

http://www.fbuch.com/images/StalinGorki1922.jpg

So i herd you liek killing dem prostitutes..

nah *****ez be frontin, i just have a loose pimpin'hand

[NecroCommie]

Well ofcourse he did! After all, I am a leninist and know these things. He killed them because he is an evil communist, and we communists spontaneously kill parts of the population on an industrial scale.

What? Never read the black book of communism?

[Dave B]

There was this famous or perhaps not so famous quote, don’t you people read your Lenin?


V. I. (http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1918/aug/09naa.htm)Lenin (http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1918/aug/10vvk.htm), 160, To: G. F. FYODOROV





August 9, 1918

Comrade Fyodorov,

It is obvious that a whiteguard insurrection is being prepared in Nizhni. You must strain every effort, appoint three men will) dictatorial powers (yourself, Markin and one other), organise immediately mass terror, shoot and deport the hundreds of prostitutes who are making drunkards of the soldiers, former officers and the like.
Not a minute of delay.

http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1918/aug/09gff.htm (http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1918/aug/09gff.htm)

I think there were one or two others but I can’t be expected to remember everything!

[NecroCommie]

Shoot and deport? Why the fuck was our comrade so hellbent on moving around truckloads of dead prostitutes?

[Honggweilo]

Shoot and deport? Why the fuck was our comrade so hellbent on moving around truckloads of dead prostitutes?
Necrophilia :lol:?

[NecroCommie]

MMmmmm... yes, why didn't I think of that?

[gorillafuck]

There was this famous or perhaps not so famous quote, don’t you people read your Lenin?

Yikes.

[Dave B]

Can we move the thread back to history now then?

[spiltteeth]

http://i971.photobucket.com/albums/ae191/spiltteeth/Lenin-pimphat2.jpg

[Durruti's Ghost]

Wait, what?

So then this really happened?

REALLY?

[Misanthrope]

Jack the Ripper was in fact Vladimir the Ripper.

[RotStern]

Consider the following...


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/81/Albert_Fish_1903.JPG
Albert Fish
http://cla.calpoly.edu/%7Elcall/lenin.gif:tt2:
Lenin

Hmmm....

[Il Medico]

Well, if this is true, sucks for Leninist.

[spiltteeth]

Lenin did the right thing.

http://i971.photobucket.com/albums/ae191/spiltteeth/liberal.jpg

[khad]

Yikes.
Can't make me care.

[spiltteeth]

Can't make me care.

Wow. This is likely the most immoral post I've come across on revleft.

Yea, all those women should of just crawled into a corner and starved to death instead of endangering the revolution.

If people are "lumpen types" they aren't really human and we shouldn't care about them.

Wasn't there an entire people who thought like this?...Germany...mid-20th century...certain people need not be cared about...I'm blanking on their name.

[NecroCommie]

I can't believe that this is becoming a real conversation. 'sigh' Oh well...

Whether Lenin killed all the prostitutes or not is irrelevant. It was then, and the situation was as it was. It highly unlikely that we will run into identical situation anymore. Even if we would, it would propably be us lefts using the prostitutes as spies, not the other way around. What happened, has happened, and I doubt any leninist parties have party lines concerning the massacre and transportation of prostitutes.

[Dave B]

I think in the debate on ‘Socialism in one Country’ between the Trotskyists and the Stalinists what is often omitted or rarely cited is;

Leon Trotsky, The Third International, After Lenin, I. The Program of the International, Revolution or a Program of Socialism in One Country? (Part 2) 5. The Theoretical Tradition of The Party.

Thus to quote;







On this point, Stalin said in November 1926: "The party always took as its starting point the idea that the victory of socialism in one country means the possibility to build socialism in that country, and that this task can be accomplished with the forces of a single country."
We already know that the party never took this as its starting point.

On the contrary, "in many of our works, in all our speeches, and in our entire press," as Lenin said, the party proceeded from the opposite position, which found its highest expression in the program of the CPSU. But one would imagine that at least Stalin himself "always" proceeded from this false view that " socialism can be built with the forces of one country." Let us check up.

What Stalin’s views on this question were in 1905 or 1915 we have absolutely no means of knowing as there are no documents whatever on the subject. But in 1924, Stalin outlined Lenin’s views on the building of socialism, as follows:


"The overthrow of the power of the bourgeoisie and the establishment of a proletarian government in one country does not yet guarantee the complete victory of socialism. The main task of socialism – the organization of socialist production – still remains ahead. Can this task be accomplished, can the final victory of socialism in one country be attained, without the joint efforts of the proletariat of several advanced countries? No, this is impossible.

To overthrow the bourgeoisie, the efforts of one country are sufficient – the history of our revolution bears this out. For the final victory of socialism, for the organization of socialist production, the efforts of one country, particularly of such a peasant country as Russia are insufficient. For this the efforts of the proletarians of several advanced countries are necessary ...

"Such, on the whole, are the characteristic features of the Leninist theory of the proletarian revolution."



One must concede that the "characteristic features of the Leninist theory" are outlined here quite correctly. In the later editions of Stalin’s book this passage was altered to read in just the opposite way and the "characteristic features of the Leninist theory" were proclaimed within a year as ... Trotskyism. The Seventh Plenum of the ECCI passed its decision, not on the basis of the 1924 edition but of the 1926 edition.


Interesting within this Trotsky also cites Lenin’s famous state capitalism pamphlet on which he conspicuously fails to comment on the most interesting part;perhaps this is one reason that this particular article is rarely referred to. Thus;





At the beginning of the same year, i.e., 1918, Lenin, in his article entitled "On Left Wing Childishness and Petty Bourgeois Tendencies," directed against Bukharin, wrote the following:

" If, let us say, state capitalism could be established in our country within six months, that would be a tremendous achievement and the surest guarantee that within a year socialism will be definitely established and will have become invincible."

How could Lenin have set so short a period for the "definite establishment of socialism"? What material-productive and social content did he put into these words?



Trotsky also mentions another of Lenin’s works, On Co-operation, that includes the ideas of state capitalism as a part of socialism


and another from his unfinished posthumous work on cooperation, written in 1923, have been used in defense of the theory of national socialism,


http://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1928/3rd/ti02.htm (http://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1928/3rd/ti02.htm)

Lenin’s position on ‘introducing socialism in one country’ was clarified six months (or immediately) before the October revolution;



V. I. Lenin LETTERS ON TACTICS, written between April 8 and 13
(21 and 26), 1917




This brings me to the second mistake in Comrade Kamenev's argument quoted above. He criticises me, saying that my scheme "builds" on "the immediate transformation of this [bourgeois-democratic] revolution into a socialist revolution".

This is incorrect. I not only do not "build" on the "immediate transformation" of our revolution into a socialist one, but I actually warn against it, when in Thesis No. 8, I state: "It is not our immediate task to 'introduce' socialism. . ."

Is it not clear that no person who builds on the immediate transformation of our revolution into a socialist revolution could be opposed to the immediate task of introducing socialism?


http://www.marx2mao.net/Lenin/LOT17.html (http://www.marx2mao.net/Lenin/LOT17.html)


And again in June in;Introduction of Socialism or Exposure of Plunder of the State?






Let us not quibble over words, citizens! It is unworthy of "revolutionary democrats" and, indeed, of grown-ups in general. Let’s not talk about the "introduction" of socialism, which "everybody" rejects. Let’s talk about the exposure of plunder.



http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/jun/22.htm (http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/jun/22.htm)

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[NecroCommie]

Oooookay... Can I ask what does that have to do with prostitutes?

[Honggweilo]

gsus krist ppl, historic distortion much? why are we taking this seriously?

mao ated and fetilized land with babies, trotsky was an unfaithfull sexist sexmaniac, stalin raped underaged teens, che kicks horses, fidel has a fortune stashed away in switserland, jababababa

[khad]

Wow. This is likely the most immoral post I've come across on revleft.

Yea, Khad, all those women should of just crawled into a corner and starved to death instead of "endangering the revolution."

If people are "lumpen types" they aren't really human and we shouldn't care about them.

Wasn't there an entire people who thought like this?...Germany...mid-20th century...certain people need not be cared about...I'm blanking on their name.
And all the peasants and workers in the white armies would have magically stopped fighting when treated to tea and cakes.

There's sympathy and then there's reality. Perhaps you'd have more credibility if your entire sense of humor didn't consist of "slapping your hos" and "dead hookers."

[Andrei Kuznetsov]

So we judge Lenin's entire attitude toward the woman question based on one quick message he sent to another Bolshevik leader, during a time of battle. And taking one instance and calling it an entire genocide. OR on the other side, it's something we can just quickly wave away as justified just because Lenin did it in the heat of battle. Analysis of such an action's place in history and in the context of the overall strengths and weaknesses of the Lenin administration is irrelevant.

OH THE METHODOLOGY I FIND ON REV-LEFT IF JUST FUCKING MAGICAL.

[spiltteeth]

And all the peasants and workers in the white armies would have magically stopped fighting when treated to tea and cakes.

There's sympathy and then there's reality. Perhaps you'd have more credibility if your entire sense of humor didn't consist of "slapping your hos" and "dead hookers."

"slapping your hos" ? I don't believe I've ever said such a thing.
Your credibility is not enhanced by making shit up.

And in yr view killing "lumpen types" is better?

And you say this as a justification? :

To this day, the Russian government does things like give vodka to striking workers to break their discipline and solidarity.Which side are you on again?

[makesi]

"slapping your hos" ? I don't believe I've ever said such a thing.
Your credibility is not enhanced by making shit up.

And in yr view killing "lumpen types" is better?

And you say this as a justification? :


Which side are you on again?


Better to have the strike broken?

[khad]

"slapping your hos" ? I don't believe I've ever said such a thing.
Your credibility is not enhanced by making shit up.

Here you go, lumpen.

http://www.revleft.com/vb/caption-stalin-picture-t120091/index.html?p=1577648#post1577648

Dear penthouse, you'll never believe what happened to me. I was creating socialism in one country when I saw my neighbor Kollontai sun bathing nude...
http://www.revleft.com/vb/why-do-half-t118465/index.html?p=1559015#post1559015

I have! She was sleeping....but it still counts! I even still have some of her hair I cut off that I wear around my neck in a locket.

http://www.revleft.com/vb/shit-t119565/index.html?p=1567578#post1567578

It's happened to me before...and...I mean..just...dead hookers everywhere....just everywhere...


What is it with you and your fascination with pimp culture? Do you get off on abused women?
http://www.revleft.com/vb/revolutionary-greatest-loveri-t114293/index.html?p=1508803#post1508803


http://i971.photobucket.com/albums/ae191/spiltteeth/Lenin--42793.jpg

You even glorified pimps in this very thread:

http://i971.photobucket.com/albums/ae191/spiltteeth/Lenin-pimphat2.jpg

[Rjevan]

Oooookay... Can I ask what does that have to do with prostitutes?
Don't you see? Comrade Dave B simply completes the picture and I am afraid, now after those terrible things revealed in the quotes I see it, too : Lenin is a satanic nazi capitalist! :crying:
http://www.publiceye.org/gallery/Demonization/Behind_Communism.jpg

[spiltteeth]

Here you go, lumpen.

http://www.revleft.com/vb/caption-stalin-picture-t120091/index.html?p=1577648#post1577648

http://www.revleft.com/vb/why-do-half-t118465/index.html?p=1559015#post1559015


http://www.revleft.com/vb/shit-t119565/index.html?p=1567578#post1567578



What is it with you and your fascination with pimp culture? Do you get off on abused women?
http://www.revleft.com/vb/revolutionary-greatest-loveri-t114293/index.html?p=1508803#post1508803



You even glorified pimps in this very thread:

First, I'm getting a kind of fatal attraction vibe from you, since you endorse the killing of prostitutes, I feel wary of finding a severed hookers head boiling on my stove.
http://i971.photobucket.com/albums/ae191/spiltteeth/fatal-attraction-200x300.jpg
"I will not be ignored spiltteeth"


Second, I repeat, I never said "slapping your hos"

yr credibility is not helped by making shit up.

Third, Lenin pictures styled as a cliche 70's pimp = hilarity, I'm quite sure you are the ONLY one who took that as an adornment of pimps.

The fact that you took it that way says more about your gullibility than my attitude.

[Dimentio]

I must confess one thing.

...

I started the Second World War.

[Rosa Lichtenstein]

Posted in error.

[Red Isa]

no, he only ate two. the other three were merely thrown off cliffs to packs of hungry wolves.

Some respect for the dead? :P <3

[khad]

First, I'm getting a kind of fatal attraction vibe from you, since you endorse the killing of prostitutes, I feel wary of finding a severed hookers head boiling on my stove.
There you go again with your morbid misogyny. You can keep your fond memories to yourself, you degenerate freak.

http://www.revleft.com/vb/whats-good-job-t118325/index.html?p=1555091#post1555091

Well, where i was it worked a bit differently. Normally, I agree, but it really depends on the click, it's interesting.
One more horrific story, a guy left to get money and left his girl to stay with me as a guarantee, before he went he told me that his girl had 2 titanium rods in her back because of a spinal injury, and, since they were valuable, he gave me permission to rip them out if he didn't return.
Fond memories.

[Andrei Kuznetsov]

This thread was so good, now it is lame.

[Искра]

I agree with Andrej.

[#FF0000]

ahaha.

[Honggweilo]

[sarcastic southpark reference] i endorsed the slappin' of ho's, not splitteeth. you gotta keep y0 *****ez in check or they be running of with your red streetsoldiers and gettin them drunk and shit.. [/sarcastic southpark reference]

:rolleyes:

[bcbm]

Some respect for the dead? :P <3

well its not like babies are people

[spiltteeth]

Again, I never said anything about 'slapping hoes.'

Also, my degeneracy is quite common, nothing "freakish" about it at all.

Since you love my stories, one more.
A buddy had stole a fetus in a jar from god knows where and we decided to try and sell it off as a new born baby, The only problem was a large red scar mark running down its body, I don't know what it was.
Anyway, we set up a buy. My buddy got the couple drunk in a bar waiting for my call since "I was an orderly in a hospital waiting for a newborn to steal."
Meanwhile, it was winter, so I clothed the fetus, put a little make-up on it, popped it in the oven to warm it and -

[9]

gsus krist ppl, historic distortion much? why are we taking this seriously?

mao ated and fetilized land with babies, trotsky was an unfaithfull sexist sexmaniac, stalin raped underaged teens, che kicks horses, fidel has a fortune stashed away in switserland, jababababa

:lol: Why is there no "thanks" option in this thread?

[Andrei Kuznetsov]

You know who really DOES respect the ladies?

Tarkan does. The original sexy Turkish manbeast!

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Ibrahim Kaypakkaya is shedding single manly tear in Commie Heaven while looking at this thread now...

[GatesofLenin]

Lenin has an awesome looking goatee comrade-brah! :D

[The Ungovernable Farce]

che kicks horses
That's bourgeois propaganda.

The stuff about him fucking dolphins, on the other hand...

[bcbm]

That's bourgeois propaganda.

The stuff about him fucking dolphins, on the other hand...

you're just jealous

[Luisrah]

Aren't people supposed to kick horses to that they will move?

Capitalists probably think that Communists must be so perfect that instead of kicking horses for them to run, they ask them to.