Andreas baader is a prick

[RED ARMY FACTION]

Ulrike
Gudrun.

Great revolutionaries, andreas was a prick, why do the left like him so much, its got to the stage where people forget he was a sexist, moronic idiot who only liked getting off his face and destroying things.
If the RAF was free of him, it would have accomplished alot more

[which doctor]

so I assume you just saw the movie?

[RED ARMY FACTION]

No i have always admired the raf, and always hated baader, i have not yet seen the movie, yet i assume they demonize the raf.
My main problem with baader is his lack of revolutionary knowledge and his drug induce moronity.
He was also a hinderance to the raf and led to their downfall through
his disruptive temprement.
Out of curiosity does the film show baader in a good light?

[Bud Struggle]

From tge Wiki article about him:


Removal and loss of brain

...the German government had the brains of Andreas Baader removed for study at the Neurological Research Institute of Tuebingen University. The results of Meinhof's brain study showed damage from an operation for a brain tumor in 1962.

He had psychological problems.

[Dóchas]

Ulrike
Gudrun.

Great revolutionaries, andreas was a prick, why do the left like him so much, its got to the stage where people forget he was a sexist, moronic idiot who only liked getting off his face and destroying things.
If the RAF was free of him, it would have accomplished alot more

did you read the book? because i got some of the same impressions

[RED ARMY FACTION]

i read everything i can on them comrade
and BTW

[RED ARMY FACTION]

he is the one who drove ulrike to her death with cruel letters.
i read them in one of the many books about the RAF, how can a man who wants revolution be such a wanker
shame

[Stranger Than Paradise]

The film definitely portrayed him as a bourgeois sexist prick. But I have no other way to judge him, I know the film is bourgeois propoganda. Do you have any links about him?

[RED ARMY FACTION]

there is a great documentary on youtube.
got 7 parts and is quite informative considering it was done by bbc

[Stranger Than Paradise]

Do you consider it to be accurate and not propoganda against the RAF?

I would also like to know if you think what the RAF did can be justified and if it anyway contributed to class struggle and revolution.

[RED ARMY FACTION]

of course it was justified, when is the ressistence to impearilism and capitalism ever up for debate.
A revolution without guns is not reallity.
And i believe they brought class tension into the public eye with all the publicity they were getting.

[RED ARMY FACTION]

and it is the least biast i can find comrade

[Stranger Than Paradise]

Ok thank you for your responses, I agree that armed struggle is a neccessity of revolution but this was not in a time of revolution.

[RED ARMY FACTION]

it is always a time for revolution
revolution is a condition of the capitalism we live in, we just rarely notice it as it is not glowing in neon lights of consumerism
when the people become aware urban guerrillas will flourish

[AvanteRedGarde]

it is always a time for revolution
revolution is a condition of the capitalism we live in, we just rarely notice it as it is not glowing in neon lights of consumerism
when the people become aware urban guerrillas will flourish

Keep dreaming. Imperialism supports the 1st world masses so naturally the 1st world masses support imperialism.

[bcbm]

when the people become aware urban guerrillas will flourish

why run around with guns and bombs and not, say, build a general strike and start occupying workplaces, refusing to pay rent/mortgages, etc?

[RED ARMY FACTION]

a strike can be broke up
crowds can be violently dispearsed
but the sound of automatic weaponry will reverbarate around the world

[AvanteRedGarde]

a strike can be broke up
crowds can be violently dispearsed
but the sound of automatic weaponry will reverbarate around the world

This is just dreamy talk. Obviously, the RAF's strategy wasn't successful. Germany isn't headed for revolution anytime soon, no matter the delusional ranting of FW internet revolutionaries. Again, it's because First Worlders are not exploited under capitalist-imperialism.

[RED ARMY FACTION]

but we are a part of a system that exploits others, so anyone who conforms to capitalism is surely an enemy.
they vote for these bastards, let them suffer, any real proletariat will rise, the rest are worse than the bougesie, they are so gutless they will hapilly be a modern day surf, makes me sick, yet i see myself becomes one more and more.

[Honggweilo]

The film definitely portrayed him as a bourgeois sexist prick. But I have no other way to judge him, I know the film is bourgeois propoganda. Do you have any links about him?
Bourgeois? didnt he come from a impoverished rural family?


it is always a time for revolution
revolution is a condition of the capitalism we live in, we just rarely notice it as it is not glowing in neon lights of consumerism
when the people become aware urban guerrillas will flourish
Seriously, try going to an organized stike in britain and try to convince some beefy class conscious workers that, and see what happens :lol:. You seriously need to read some Gramsci or Michael Parenti about captialist cultural hegemony.


This is just dreamy talk. Obviously, the RAF's strategy wasn't successful. Germany isn't headed for revolution anytime soon, no matter the delusional ranting of FW internet revolutionaries. Again, it's because First Worlders are not exploited under capitalist-imperialism. Third-worldist ultra-left maoism is as relevant today as insurrectionist urban guerilla without mass support is today... quit being stuck in the 70's both of you


Organisation: currently joining CPGBML
Since when is Harpal Brar a fan of urban guerilla :lol:?

[RED ARMY FACTION]

i am not a fan of urban guerrillas
i am just trying to gauge a reaction from everyone on the left to see how we all think.

[bcbm]

you're not fooling anybody with that crap

[RED ARMY FACTION]

you aint fooling anyone.
why do i need to fool you
are you sending messages to special branch
wtf you quizzing for

[bcbm]

i'm not trying to fool anyone. i've been upfront from the beginning- the urban guerrilla is a historical failure as evidenced by the history of such struggles in south america, europe and asia.


are you sending messages to special branchsnitching is a pretty serious accusation. if all you've got as evidence is that someone thinks running around with guns doing "guerrilla" actions is harmful to the class struggle, maybe you shouldn't start bad jacketing?

[RED ARMY FACTION]

lol